When was the last time

[jmlynch1]

When was the last time KSU opened conference play at home?

[Andy]

1996 Texas Tech, first big 12 game ever


i guess for giving us that sweet plum they decided to screw us the next 10+ years

[WILDCAT NATION]

There are people that swear Texas was the big 12 opener in '98, but I thought they played somewhere on the road that year too...can't remember for sure.

Well, just checked...and UT was the first conference game...and it was at home.

http://www.kstatesports.com/SportSelect.dbml?SPSID=3061&SPID=212&DB_OEM_ID=400&KEY=&Q_SEASON=1998

Damn that was a fun year, right up until.....well...

[catzacker]

Here's the list of Big 12 openers for KSU:
96 - TT (W)
97 - @ NU (L)
98 - UT (W)
99 - @ ISU (W)
00 - @CU (W)
01 - @ OU (L)
02 - @ CU (L)
03 - @UT (L)
04 - @ A&M (L)
05 - @ OU (L)
06 - @ BU ??


if you're scoring at home, that's 11 years, 9 road openers and 8 straight road openers....f'ing brutal

[Saulbadguy]

Meh. Non-issue IMO.

[catzacker]

Meh. Non-issue IMO.

I find it hard to believe that a computer could "randomly" complete a schedule that had KSU on the road for 8 straight years and 9 out of 11....the probability of that happening has to be too great for it to be random.  I don't think any other team even comes close to this.

If I remember correctly, the Big 12 has a random schedule generator and it spits out numerous schedules and then somehow it's whiddled down (either by the AD's or by the coaches) to some acceptable schedules.   I hope it is freaking snowing when UT comes up to play this year. 

[WILDCAT NATION]

Meh. Non-issue IMO.

I find it hard to believe that a computer could "randomly" complete a schedule that had KSU on the road for 8 straight years and 9 out of 11....the probability of that happening has to be too great for it to be random.  I don't think any other team even comes close to this.

If I remember correctly, the Big 12 has a random schedule generator and it spits out numerous schedules and then somehow it's whiddled down (either by the AD's or by the coaches) to some acceptable schedules.   I hope it is freaking snowing when UT comes up to play this year. 

Not when you think about the special exemptions made for OU, OSU, CU, NU, and UT...

Not to mention when people like ku and MU start dictating when they will play. 

You do all that....and I'm not surprised at all that KSU gets bent over...KSU needs to start dictating that certain games of theirs be on certain days.  (OU/Tex) A&M vs. UT, NU vs. CU, etc...and the computer might become a little more kind.

[michigancat]

Just f'ing play football.

[WILDCAT NATION]

Just f'ing play football.

Or that...



Personally, I'd like to see a KSU vs. someone matchup on a certain day/weekend of the year become tradition...like have the ku, KSU game every year on the Friday night after Thanksgiving...do a triple header on ABC, etc...

[michigancat]

Everyone is afraid to be our rival, so it won't ever happen.

KSU/NU the Friday after Thanksgiving really makes the most sense.  I don't think KSU is too keen on Thanksgiving weekend games, though.

[catzacker]

Just f'ing play football.

I agree.  But it's still kind of odd that we open so much on the road.

I don't think KSU is too keen on Thanksgiving weekend games, though.

It's a battle to get KSU fans to come to a home game when it coincides with opening day for hunting season (which always amazes me, I mean, it's not like the animals won't be there on Sunday morning).  I can't imagine attendance would be worth a damn around Thanksgiving. 

[ksu_FAN]

Our streak of opening on the road is a bit frustrating, but I find it hard to be too disappointed with our schedule this year.  @ Baylor and OSU at home should have us set up to start Big 12 play 2-0.  Go 1-1 and there is reason for alarm, 0-2 means we are in big trouble IMO. 

[WILDCAT NATION]

Our streak of opening on the road is a bit frustrating, but I find it hard to be too disappointed with our schedule this year.  @ Baylor and OSU at home should have us set up to start Big 12 play 2-0.  Go 1-1 and there is reason for alarm, 0-2 means we are in big trouble IMO. 

It would be interesting to see how 0-2 would get spun...but I pray that doesn't happen....

[Kat Kid]

Meh. Non-issue IMO.

I find it hard to believe that a computer could "randomly" complete a schedule that had KSU on the road for 8 straight years and 9 out of 11....the probability of that happening has to be too great for it to be random.  I don't think any other team even comes close to this.

If I remember correctly, the Big 12 has a random schedule generator and it spits out numerous schedules and then somehow it's whiddled down (either by the AD's or by the coaches) to some acceptable schedules.   I hope it is freaking snowing when UT comes up to play this year. 

have you ever flipped a quarter more than 5 times in a row?  I agree that we've been put at somewhat of a disadvantage by this but you sound like an idiot.

[catzacker]

have you ever flipped a quarter more than 5 times in a row?  I agree that we've been put at somewhat of a disadvantage by this but you sound like an idiot.

It's actually 8 times in a row.  Also, it isn't just a 50/50 shot at it.  The schedule generator schedules out multiple years at once and should take into consideration past schedules.  I'm more perplexed as to how KSU officials would allow this to happen. 

[michigancat]

It's actually 8 times in a row.  Also, it isn't just a 50/50 shot at it.  The schedule generator schedules out multiple years at once and should take into consideration past schedules.

That wouldn't make it random.

[catzacker]

That wouldn't make it random.
That's true.  Hell, maybe it doesn't take into consideration past schedules.  But I would think that the probability that for 8 straight years we'd be on the road would be low.  That's not a 50% probability thing.  For one year it would be, but for it to be 8 straight times, that probability is fairly low. 

[Kat Kid]

That wouldn't make it random.
That's true.  Hell, maybe it doesn't take into consideration past schedules.  But I would think that the probability that for 8 straight years we'd be on the road would be low.  That's not a 50% probability thing.  For one year it would be, but for it to be 8 straight times, that probability is fairly low. 

Actually, if it is a truly random draw, then each year is a wholly seperate event and there is indeed a 50/50 probability for each year road/home.

Please tell me you understand this.  Otherwise I will lose faith in my career in education.

[WILDCAT NATION]

Please tell me you understand this.  Otherwise I will lose faith in my career in education.

Judging by the average intelligence in this country, I'd give it up anyway...

[ksuno1stunner]

it's actually a .004 chance

or .4%

[catzacker]

Actually, if it is a truly random draw, then each year is a wholly seperate event and there is indeed a 50/50 probability for each year road/home.

Please tell me you understand this.  Otherwise I will lose faith in my career in education.

For each year, yes.  But the probability that KSU would be on the road for 9 straight years is .195%, which is roughly a 1 and 500 chance.  That's my entire point.  The probability of 9 straight road games is so low it's absurd that it's happened to KSU.

[Kat Kid]

Actually, if it is a truly random draw, then each year is a wholly seperate event and there is indeed a 50/50 probability for each year road/home.

Please tell me you understand this.  Otherwise I will lose faith in my career in education.

For each year, yes.  But the probability that KSU would be on the road for 9 straight years is .195%, which is roughly a 1 and 500 chance.  That's my entire point.  The probability of 9 straight road games is so low it's absurd that it's happened to KSU.

What is the probability of Ted Wlliams' during his .400 year going 0-4 in a game?  Do you realize that sample size/streaks balance this out?

Dear God.

[michigancat]

Again, who cares anyway?  You have to play the same number of games on the road as you do at home.  Every damn year. 

You have to play a first road game sometime.  It should be a non-issue for any team.

[Kat Kid]

I think catzacker is the guy that stands by the roulette wheel and waits until it hits black 7 times in a row before he bets on red.

[catzacker]

I think catzacker is the guy that stands by the roulette wheel and waits until it hits black 7 times in a row before he bets on red.

If you're in education, I feel sorry for our youth.  The probability that we'd start on the road 9 straight times would be calculated as follows:  .5*.5*.5*.5*.5*.5*.5*.5*.5 = .195%

That's the probability that KSU would play 9 straight opening road games.  Each year it is a 50% probability.  Flipping a coin each time there is a 50/50 probability, but the probability that 9 straighttimes is lower than 50/50.

If you have any issues with this see Statistics 101.   

[fatty fat fat]

saul and rusty, thank you.

Bitching about opening on the road is a pp of mine.

[michigancat]

saul and rusty, thank you.

Bitching about opening on the road is a pp of mine.

No one cared when we were good.

[jmlynch1]

Snyder once complained in a Mercury article.

Fatty, do you hate Bill Snyder? You piece of crap, you hate Bill Snyder don't you?

[Andy]

1996 Texas Tech, first big 12 game ever


i guess for giving us that sweet plum they decided to screw us the next 10+ years

whoops i missed texas in 98, all nicely nestled between northern illinois and northeast louisiana.   must have thought i saw north texas or something and went right to colorado on the road.

[Houstoncat93]

I think catzacker is the guy that stands by the roulette wheel and waits until it hits black 7 times in a row before he bets on red.

If you're in education, I feel sorry for our youth.  The probability that we'd start on the road 9 straight times would be calculated as follows:  .5*.5*.5*.5*.5*.5*.5*.5*.5 = .195%

That's the probability that KSU would play 9 straight opening road games.  Each year it is a 50% probability.  Flipping a coin each time there is a 50/50 probability, but the probability that 9 straighttimes is lower than 50/50.

If you have any issues with this see Statistics 101.   

What is the probablity the a team would start each of 9 seasons with the following games.

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