meek!

[ksu_FAN]

As a back of the envelope guess I would say about 50±10%.  Solidly mediocre, but not tragically bad.

Jesus I hate our fans. Mediocre IS tragically bad. Get it through your skulls. 

Biggest problem with KSU (and its fanbase)? Being mediocre (at best) somehow translates to being on top of the world just because it means there are at least a few schools you're better than.

Mediocre is NOT tragically bad, no matter how much you wanna crap your pants over it.

I never said it was top of world either, in fact I specifically said it was MEDIOCRE (words do have meanings you know).

Mediocre IS bad when it comes to recognition. If you're not on top, you're on the bottom (to paraphrase Ricky Bobby's dad).

I challenge anyone without sports geek knowledge to tell me who finished the football season ranked 10-25. I can't. Because I could have cared less. I only cared about watching the top few teams play.

I'd also be surprised if you could find anyone who could list a majority of the last 32 teams in the NCAA field last year. Consider that there's like 331 D-1 basketball teams. You make the first cut of the tourney and you're in the top 10% in the nation. And unless you make the Final Four or possibly Elite Eight, who remembers you? What non-alum fans care?

Ask a non-Wildcat/non-Kansan about KSU football and they'll say that they were good for "a couple years". Pretty much true when you consider they never finished the season with a top 5 ranking and only went to the Fiesta (major) bowl twice.

Point being, if you're not in the elite, you're nobody.

Guess what?  KSU is a nobody then.  If someone wants to run that smack on me for being a K-State fan let them.  I don't give a crap what other people think. 

If you want KSU to become an elite (your definition) sports institution, system wide and fundamental changes must be made to the entire NCAA guidelines.

I don't like it when KSU is mediocre in sports for stretches, but I challenge you to name schools similar in size, affluence, and location to KSU that you would consider "elite".

I agree with Ching.  You can call it lowering the bar or whatever.  I call it reality.  But I didn't choose to go to school at Texas, Florida, or even Kansas.  I chose K-State and with that I chose what kind of fan I would be for life.

[BigCat]

As a back of the envelope guess I would say about 50±10%.  Solidly mediocre, but not tragically bad.

Jesus I hate our fans. Mediocre IS tragically bad. Get it through your skulls. 

Biggest problem with KSU (and its fanbase)? Being mediocre (at best) somehow translates to being on top of the world just because it means there are at least a few schools you're better than.

Mediocre is NOT tragically bad, no matter how much you wanna crap your pants over it.

I never said it was top of world either, in fact I specifically said it was MEDIOCRE (words do have meanings you know).

Mediocre IS bad when it comes to recognition. If you're not on top, you're on the bottom (to paraphrase Ricky Bobby's dad).

I challenge anyone without sports geek knowledge to tell me who finished the football season ranked 10-25. I can't. Because I could have cared less. I only cared about watching the top few teams play.

I'd also be surprised if you could find anyone who could list a majority of the last 32 teams in the NCAA field last year. Consider that there's like 331 D-1 basketball teams. You make the first cut of the tourney and you're in the top 10% in the nation. And unless you make the Final Four or possibly Elite Eight, who remembers you? What non-alum fans care?

Ask a non-Wildcat/non-Kansan about KSU football and they'll say that they were good for "a couple years". Pretty much true when you consider they never finished the season with a top 5 ranking and only went to the Fiesta (major) bowl twice.

Point being, if you're not in the elite, you're nobody.

Guess what?  KSU is a nobody then.  If someone wants to run that smack on me for being a K-State fan let them.  I don't give a crap what other people think. 

If you want KSU to become an elite (your definition) sports institution, system wide and fundamental changes must be made to the entire NCAA guidelines.

I don't like it when KSU is mediocre in sports for stretches, but I challenge you to name schools similar in size, affluence, and location to KSU that you would consider "elite".

I agree with Ching.  You can call it lowering the bar or whatever.  I call it reality.  But I didn't choose to go to school at Texas, Florida, or even Kansas.  I chose K-State and with that I chose what kind of fan I would be for life.

I'm a K-State fan too. Which is why I care. Oklahoma (football/basketball), Nebraska (football), CU (football), ku (basketball, BCS bowl)... Similar sized schools in the same conference which can boast national titles and conference championships fairly recently. We've won our conference once. We have a devoted (albeit sometimes delusionary [see BigCat]) fanbase that is willing to donate to and support our university and athletics department if the direction was there.

We got rid of Woolybear and brought in Huggins (luck?): good move. We got rid of the binder and brought back Snyder. Solid move but sideways in some respects, i.e. who is his successor?

But we have (at least temporarily) a president who acts as an overlord in the athletic department, and his ice-fishing crony who has no business being an AD.

Point being that the fans do, at times, speak—to varying effect. But I think we should demand better. I'll admit that I'm jaded, but not so much that I expect K-State football and basketball to finish in the top 10 every year. I do, however, think we should consistently compete at that level. I guess I just think too highly of our university to have its national reputation sullied by the fact that we go two decades in basketball without forcing the changes necessary to compete at a consistently high level.

Football, we got a taste. Basketball? We threw away 40 years of being one of the top programs in the country because for some reason the fans forgot that we belonged there.

[sonofdaxjones]

You guys keep going . . . just want to extend a hearty welcome to Jayhoax . . . .thanks for reading all the threads on this board as per usual.   

[fatty fat fat]

As a back of the envelope guess I would say about 50±10%.  Solidly mediocre, but not tragically bad.

Jesus I hate our fans. Mediocre IS tragically bad. Get it through your skulls. 

Biggest problem with KSU (and its fanbase)? Being mediocre (at best) somehow translates to being on top of the world just because it means there are at least a few schools you're better than.

Mediocre is NOT tragically bad, no matter how much you wanna crap your pants over it.

I never said it was top of world either, in fact I specifically said it was MEDIOCRE (words do have meanings you know).

Mediocre IS bad when it comes to recognition. If you're not on top, you're on the bottom (to paraphrase Ricky Bobby's dad).

I challenge anyone without sports geek knowledge to tell me who finished the football season ranked 10-25. I can't. Because I could have cared less. I only cared about watching the top few teams play.

I'd also be surprised if you could find anyone who could list a majority of the last 32 teams in the NCAA field last year. Consider that there's like 331 D-1 basketball teams. You make the first cut of the tourney and you're in the top 10% in the nation. And unless you make the Final Four or possibly Elite Eight, who remembers you? What non-alum fans care?

Ask a non-Wildcat/non-Kansan about KSU football and they'll say that they were good for "a couple years". Pretty much true when you consider they never finished the season with a top 5 ranking and only went to the Fiesta (major) bowl twice.

Point being, if you're not in the elite, you're nobody.

Guess what?  KSU is a nobody then.  If someone wants to run that smack on me for being a K-State fan let them.  I don't give a crap what other people think. 

If you want KSU to become an elite (your definition) sports institution, system wide and fundamental changes must be made to the entire NCAA guidelines.

I don't like it when KSU is mediocre in sports for stretches, but I challenge you to name schools similar in size, affluence, and location to KSU that you would consider "elite".

I agree with Ching.  You can call it lowering the bar or whatever.  I call it reality.  But I didn't choose to go to school at Texas, Florida, or even Kansas.  I chose K-State and with that I chose what kind of fan I would be for life.

I'm a K-State fan too. Which is why I care. Oklahoma (football/basketball), Nebraska (football), CU (football), ku (basketball, BCS bowl)... Similar sized schools in the same conference which can boast national titles and conference championships fairly recently. We've won our conference once. We have a devoted (albeit sometimes delusionary [see BigCat]) fanbase that is willing to donate to and support our university and athletics department if the direction was there.

We got rid of Woolybear and brought in Huggins (luck?): good move. We got rid of the binder and brought back Snyder. Solid move but sideways in some respects, i.e. who is his successor?

But we have (at least temporarily) a president who acts as an overlord in the athletic department, and his ice-fishing crony who has no business being an AD.

Point being that the fans do, at times, speak—to varying effect. But I think we should demand better. I'll admit that I'm jaded, but not so much that I expect K-State football and basketball to finish in the top 10 every year. I do, however, think we should consistently compete at that level. I guess I just think too highly of our university to have its national reputation sullied by the fact that we go two decades in basketball without forcing the changes necessary to compete at a consistently high level.

Football, we got a taste. Basketball? We threw away 40 years of being one of the top programs in the country because for some reason the fans forgot that we belonged there.

you could easily argue ksu is the luckiest school alive because of our absurd 11 year run.

[BigCat]

you could easily argue ksu is the luckiest school alive because of our absurd 11 year run.

True dat. That Snyder took pity on us and came to coach is certainly lucky.

[sonofdaxjones]

http://www.themercury.com/News/article.aspx?articleId=0e08b73dc3f74bf989c5f71be0d8e7ae

[catzacker]

http://www.themercury.com/News/article.aspx?articleId=0e08b73dc3f74bf989c5f71be0d8e7ae

it's amazing that we offerred Leavitt what we reportedly offerred him (wasn't it like 2.5-3m?).

[sonofdaxjones]

http://www.themercury.com/News/article.aspx?articleId=0e08b73dc3f74bf989c5f71be0d8e7ae

it's amazing that we offerred Leavitt what we reportedly offerred him (wasn't it like 2.5-3m?).

Yep, and nearly $2 million to get Huggins to stay.   But hey, K-State's going broke.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

We got rid of Woolybear and brought in Huggins (luck?): good move. We got rid of the binder and brought back Snyder. Solid move

The above statement sums up why Ksu is mediocre.

[steve dave]

We got rid of Woolybear and brought in Huggins (luck?): good move. We got rid of the binder and brought back Snyder. Solid move

The above statement sums up why Ksu is mediocre.

You pick the better hire in either of those situations without using the name "Patterson".

[catzacker]

lollers.  good work meek. 

http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=3652080

[steve dave]

lollers.  good work meek. 

http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=3652080

pfffffftttttttttttt 

[sonofdaxjones]

I love it, trust me, had this happened under Timid Timmy, he would've done everything in his power to avoid the issue entirely. 

That's what he did nothing but hmmm and haw for 3 freaking years about the facilities projects that Bob Krause did more work on in 4 months than Timid Timmy did in 36 months.

[steve dave]

I love it, trust me, had this happened under Timid Timmy, he would've done everything in his power to avoid the issue entirely. 

That's what he did nothing but hmmm and haw for 3 freaking years about the facilities projects that Bob Krause did more work on in 4 months than Timid Timmy did in 36 months.

dax, I'm with you bro.  But, you have to LMAO at how much a disaster our entire AD is.  Krause is Yosemite Sam (gotta love him, he tries) and Weiser is whatever cartoon character won't put out and is always worried about the temperature.  Either way I don't want either in charge of my AD office.  What are the chances that our new president walks in first day and does an Obama like re-tooling of the whole f^cking mess?  Hopefully it happens. 

[catzacker]

I love it, trust me, had this happened under Timid Timmy, he would've done everything in his power to avoid the issue entirely. 

That's what he did nothing but hmmm and haw for 3 freaking years about the facilities projects that Bob Krause did more work on in 4 months than Timid Timmy did in 36 months.

the letter wasn't needed.  it basically pointed out another incredibly stupid thing that he and Wefald did (the 10yr extension).  

[sonofdaxjones]

I love it, trust me, had this happened under Timid Timmy, he would've done everything in his power to avoid the issue entirely. 

That's what he did nothing but hmmm and haw for 3 freaking years about the facilities projects that Bob Krause did more work on in 4 months than Timid Timmy did in 36 months.

dax, I'm with you bro.  But, you have to LMAO at how much a disaster our entire AD is.  Krause is Yosemite Sam (gotta love him, he tries) and Weiser is whatever cartoon character won't put out and is always worried about the temperature.  Either way I don't want either in charge of my AD office.  What are the chances that our new president walks in first day and does an Obama like re-tooling of the whole f^cking mess?  Hopefully it happens. 

Krause more then tries . . . I'll set aside the personnel decisions because that remains to be seen.   Insofar as the things that will help out K-State athletics tremendously, and make the job of the new President and next AD much easier.  BK is doing it right now.   In terms of the current facilities projects . . . the people I know who have worked on this since its inception, say that working with Krause is like night and day from working with Timid Timmy.   Bob talks about bling to impress recruits and giving K-State athletes great facilities . . . Timid Timmy talked about . . . storage space, F'ing storage space.   Bob talks about a massive new pressbox to rival the pressbox at Virginia Tech, or Nebraska.   Timid Timmy talked about . . . outdoor loge boxes. 

Bob talks about embracing debt to get you where you have to go in order to compete . . . Timid Timmy was scared $hitless of it . . . wanted to talk about "cash reserve funds", and wring his hands about how this or that couldn't be done.   K-State athletics operates way in the black . . . plus have you ever seen a D1 athletic department go bankrupt??  Timid Timmy was worried about his annual bonus, not about making sure K-State could truly compete.

That's JMO.

[fatty fat fat]

let me just say, bob krause is an amazing man.

god bless him.

[ksu_FAN]

Regardless of whether you like Bob or not, this is a hilarious/embarrassing situation for K-State depending on how you look at it.  The fact that they explain away the buyout/money issue by basically saying they did a quick fix by hiring Krause and not going out to look for a real AD is just silly IMO.  It would be much better if they would just not say anything, even after the Meeks piece.

[catfan28]

Meek with more scoop today....
http://cjonline.com/stories/012309/cat_380557162.shtml

[steve dave]

Meek with more scoop today....
http://cjonline.com/stories/012309/cat_380557162.shtml

That kid is going to win some sort of award imo. 

[Bookcat]

Hire a new President....get a real athletic director....Give Snyder and Martin another four years to build something. Kstate sports will be just fine!

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Regardless of whether you like Bob or not, this is a hilarious/embarrassing situation for K-State depending on how you look at it.  The fact that they explain away the buyout/money issue by basically saying they did a quick fix by hiring Krause and not going out to look for a real AD is just silly IMO.  It would be much better if they would just not say anything, even after the Meeks piece.

Well, I'll fully admit that I could be wrong about BK, but as far as a couple of very important things, I think he'll have K-State in a much better position, and if you think about it, no AD truly worth a damn would come to K-State as long as Wefald is around.  

So as far as I am concerned BK is a good fit because he's hellbent on getting a couple of crucial things done that will position K-State a lot better in the future.  If BK gets it all done the next AD won't have to deal with it, and that in fact may make K-State more attractive to a good candidate.

[sonofdaxjones]

You've got to be F'ing kidding me, they were paying Tim Weiser nearly $700K a year??   

Folks, all the more reason to actually be happy.   K-State got that douchebag out the door and in reality is paying no more money to have done it. 

Hell, I thought they were paying Timid Timmy about $300K, I guess that was his original contract, I never saw his new contract.

There is no way in the F'ing world that Tim Weiser was worth anywhere close to $700K a year.   

Thanks Meek, that article made my morning.

[mizer67]

Hire a new President....get a real athletic director....Give Snyder and Martin another four years to build something. Kstate sports will be just fine!

 

   Agreed!  Preferably a new President who won't try to micromanage and will let the A.D. do their frackin' job!

[ksu_FAN]

Regardless of whether you like Bob or not, this is a hilarious/embarrassing situation for K-State depending on how you look at it.  The fact that they explain away the buyout/money issue by basically saying they did a quick fix by hiring Krause and not going out to look for a real AD is just silly IMO.  It would be much better if they would just not say anything, even after the Meeks piece.

Well, I'll fully admit that I could be wrong about BK, but as far as a couple of very important things, I think he'll have K-State in a much better position, and if you think about it, no AD truly worth a damn would come to K-State as long as Wefald is around.  

So as far as I am concerned BK is a good fit because he's hellbent on getting a couple of crucial things done that will position K-State a lot better in the future.  If BK gets it all done the next AD won't have to deal with it, and that in fact may make K-State more attractive to a good candidate.

Good points dax.  And you are right, no AD worth anything was going to come after what went down with Weiser.  And BK does seem to be doing a good job.  It will be interesting to see what happens there when the new Pres comes in.  BK has always been Wefald's boy and I doubt he'll be able to have the same relationship with the new guy.  But the new guy will have lots of other priorities with the budget situation the way it is, so dealing with the AD issue may not be high on the list, allowing Krause to at least finish his contract.

[catzacker]

Regardless of whether you like Bob or not, this is a hilarious/embarrassing situation for K-State depending on how you look at it.  The fact that they explain away the buyout/money issue by basically saying they did a quick fix by hiring Krause and not going out to look for a real AD is just silly IMO.  It would be much better if they would just not say anything, even after the Meeks piece.

QFT^100%

It's like going home after you've lost 20K at the Casinos and telling your wife that everything's fine, we'll still be okay, but we just can't eat anything for a year.  University Presidents (and their like) are some of the dumbest smart people around. 

[ksu_FAN]

Regardless of whether you like Bob or not, this is a hilarious/embarrassing situation for K-State depending on how you look at it.  The fact that they explain away the buyout/money issue by basically saying they did a quick fix by hiring Krause and not going out to look for a real AD is just silly IMO.  It would be much better if they would just not say anything, even after the Meeks piece.

QFT^100%

It's like going home after you've lost 20K at the Casinos and telling your wife that everything's fine, we'll still be okay, but we just can't eat anything for a year.  University Presidents (and their like) are some of the dumbest smart people around. 

Or what if they had hired Brock after Prince got fired and got this out in the paper.

But according to Wefald and athletic director Bob Krause, the roughly $500,000 a year Prince's departure is costing K-State, when coupled with new coach Dave Brock's salary of $500,000, means the university is spending the same money it would have spent had Prince stayed on and fulfilled the entire 5-year contract he signed in 2008. They said Brock is the lowest-paid football coach in the Big 12.

We would want them fired immediately.  I mean its ridiculously stupid.  If you're going to have a justification that sad, keep it to yourself please.

[BigCat]

Either way I don't want either in charge of my AD office.  What are the chances that our new president walks in first day and does an Obama like re-tooling of the whole f^cking mess?  Hopefully it happens. 

My point exactly. The thing I worry about MOST during this new pres. selection process is that Weefs is going to do his damnedest to try and sway the selection towards the candidate that is most like him. He's going to tell them about how important it is at K-State (because somehow we're a special situation unlike any other) for the academic administration to be fully involved in the athletic department's biz, and that they should know that about the job.

Why don't we get a well-known, ex-CEO of a major company or an ex politician to run the university? At least the CEO would run it like a business and the politician could bring clout. I don't want any more hopeful Nancy boys from BFE Technical School to be in charge of our university. We need a big hire.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

This makes me proud of my long history of "Wefald is a ridiculous imbecile" posts.

Also, I stand by my "Krause is in over his head" posts.  You get what you pay for.

Glad this is all coming to an end soon.

[steve dave]

I am looking forward to the long piece written by the first reporter (seems like Meek may be the guy given recent stuff) about the complete cluster f^ck that was the KSU administration once Weef and Krause are gone.  You would need the new guys in position first because a lot of people/sources will probably stay clammed up while they are still employed by the guys.  I want one monster piece that covers all the aspects.  Once and for all put an end to all the "wefald was an excellent pres." nonsense.  Will be hilarious to watch Tim laughing from his tower at the Big 12 offices.