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September 25, 2006, 03:57:53 PM
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for people like dax, the pisser is the deal breaker.

some people really do go to football games just for the quality of the crap break.

it's true.

dax -- what's your take on the kotex selection?  i've not ever heard that feedback before, but you would be the one to have it.

September 25, 2006, 04:06:55 PM
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I think the selection is ample.

However ... it's a shame they don't have an IQ machine at the gates to help out the "I'll always be a dumbass" bunch; of which Mr. White appears to be a lead member of ... along with many of the Powertards.

Simple Marketing and Event Planning 101 ... and KSU sucks at it.

KSU should never market, or attempt to lure people into empty seats ... KSU should only rely on the win-loss record to do that ... also, KSU should make sure that only the people on the lower levels are treated well, and then treat everyone else like $hit ... that's a real marketing tool there.

KSU should never try to lure families as well:

"So let me get this straight ... I can go to the Louisville game, take my 2 kids and the wife, plunk down $210 for tickets, get herded up the 3rd level where there's no bathrooms or full service concessions, also pay $10's to park to watch a team that's combined for a 9-13 record the last two years??"  Sounds like a great deal!! (or I can stay at home and watch it for free).

 :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:  :rolleyes:




September 25, 2006, 04:14:34 PM
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catzacker tells the story.  when the team is kicking arse, all these supposed issues about cost, sight lines and potty time outs are non-factors.

the reality is there just aren't 45K ksu fans. 


Actually, if you look at it we should have averaged more during the 2002 and 2003 years if it was true that "kicking arse" was the sole reason for people showing up.  You would think that after good years (99, 00, 02, 03) you would see an increase because we were winning and going to major bowls and general interest would have been high....but you don't necessarily see any impact ont he attendance. 

I've had many people who have said the same thing: I"m not going to pay that much to go watch that game from where I'll have to watch it when I can watch it on TV.  I don't blame people for making those kinds of decisions, nor do I question their "loyalty".  Tiered pricing doesn't devalue the product, nor does providing adequate amenities. 


September 25, 2006, 04:20:07 PM
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dax - does football revenue continue to climb?

catzacker - contrary to popular belief, no ksu team kicked as much arse as the '98 squad.  that's why you see the response you do following the 2002 and 2003 school years.  also, you forgot about the much-less-than-arse-kicking 2001 campaign.

September 25, 2006, 04:22:00 PM
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I don't know, I haven't seen the latest numbers and won't see them until the middle of next month when KSU has to have their EADA report in.

Plus ... all of KSU's football revenues are not tied to ticket sales.

Always happy to help you learn Mr. White.


September 25, 2006, 04:32:29 PM
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so dax,  what have they looked like the past couple of years?

i know an obsessed &@#%up like yourself has them memorized.

here's how i know you're full of crap.

the cheapest non-student season ticket at ku is $21.43 per game for recent grads.  otherwise it's $32.14. 

that's incredibly comparable to ksu prices, and ksu stadium is quite a bit nicer than the craphole in lawrence, and ksu's home schedule this year is leaps and bounds better.

you're a small mind, going off on senseless rants about a couple of bucks here and there.  that might work at quickie mart, but i'm not surprised in the least weiser tossed your ass to the curb like a sack of soiled diapers.

you're &@#%ing stupid and annoying.

September 25, 2006, 04:36:30 PM
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catzacker - contrary to popular belief, no ksu team kicked as much arse as the '98 squad.  that's why you see the response you do following the 2002 and 2003 school years.  also, you forgot about the much-less-than-arse-kicking 2001 campaign.

We were consistently winning 11 games (w/ the exception of 01) from 1998-2003...how is that not ass kicking?  While I agree that attendance is tied to performance, there are ways to mitigiate lagging attendance in the "down seasons" and ways to increase attendance, even marginally, during the good years.  You'd have thought that the success that we had during the 1998-03 would have brought about sell out after sell out.  We were one of a handful programs in the country to have the kind of succes we had over the time period we had, yet our attendance wouldn't bear that out.  

September 25, 2006, 04:40:14 PM
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it was ass kicking, just not as much as 98.  that's why attendance stayed close to 50K.

like i said, the reality is that there just aren't 45,000 cat fans.  there's 35-40K fans, and the rest are frontrunners.

September 25, 2006, 09:07:07 PM
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You should, all the big-time programs have at least 60K + consistently.

It shouldn't bother you when people don't show up for basketball games, with the coaches we had there was no reason to show up.
our stadium only seats 50 k

September 25, 2006, 09:10:46 PM
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You guys seem to forget something about Louisville and USC.

USC is a historical program, and has a lot of history behind it.  Anyone ever think of seeing USC in Manhattan was a thrill.

Louisville may be a Top 10 team, but they don't have the same appeal.  And that, with what people perceive our team as not capable of winning it has a lot to do with it. 

If it had been Miami or UCLA, it might be different.

September 25, 2006, 11:02:27 PM
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White ... you're a total dumbass and just don't know it yet.

But hey ... what's 20,000 unsold tickets for the 1st 4 games anyway?? 

You're placing you're entire argument on the average cost based on season ticket prices.   Well dumbass, those empty seats clearly weren't season ticket holders were they??  ... and last I checked all those empty seats for the Lousiville game cost $55 a pop.   But you do have one good point ... the price for single game tickets for game like Lousiville should be more in line with the average price per game for general public season ticket holders, and north endzone seats should be less then that.    The average price per game for general public (main stadium) season ticket holders at KSU (without donation) is right at $40 per game.   So Why the F ... is a game like Lousiville priced at $55 for an individual game ticket???  It was $55 just to sit in the GD North Endzone.   Nobody ... and I mean nobody is going to bitch or moan if the main stadium individual game tickets for a game like Louisville are $40 each and the North Endzone are $30.   But KSU would rather have empty seats then lower the prices.   Nobody would complain one bit if there was a family pack for the Louisville game for Section 420 and the other end of the upper deck as well.

But KSU would rather have empty seats.   

Again, it's marketing a football program that has gone 9-13 the last two years ... not 22-1.










September 25, 2006, 11:15:54 PM
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Sure "great" view, and an 8 story walk back down to take your kid to the bathroom and another 8 stories back up. 

What are you, 90? Clean the sand out of your vag.

Fatty is 100% correct here, though so is slimz with the economics argument.

However: winning cures all.

September 25, 2006, 11:20:12 PM
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Mr. White, what are your thoughts on Weiser?
I'm telling you, this is not ANYTHING like the team from the beginning of conference play. You will see no more blowouts like what happened in OOC.  If we lose, it will not because these kids gave up, and it will be at the buzzer. -Rodless, before 97-70

September 25, 2006, 11:55:12 PM
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Sure "great" view, and an 8 story walk back down to take your kid to the bathroom and another 8 stories back up. 

What are you, 90? Clean the sand out of your vag.

Fatty is 100% correct here, though so is slimz with the economics argument.

However: winning cures all.

No ... I just understand marketing and understand you can't sell a product during down times when you're charging premium prices and providing sub-premium products and service.

Someday maybe some on here with PowerTard syndrome will understand the real world. 





September 26, 2006, 12:03:57 AM
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Sure "great" view, and an 8 story walk back down to take your kid to the bathroom and another 8 stories back up. 

What are you, 90? Clean the sand out of your vag.

Fatty is 100% correct here, though so is slimz with the economics argument.

However: winning cures all.

No ... I just understand marketing and understand you can't sell a product during down times when you're charging premium prices and providing sub-premium products and service.

Someday maybe some on here with PowerTard syndrome will understand the real world. 


That's actually very true.   But I don't think that's why they aren't selling the seats.

September 26, 2006, 12:17:48 AM
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I just understand marketing and understand you can't sell a product during down times when you're charging premium prices and providing sub-premium products and service.

No argument there. I'm just glad I'm still a student for one more year and get to reap the benefits of a U that treats its students extremely well when it comes to athletic tickets.

September 26, 2006, 12:19:27 AM
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Sure "great" view, and an 8 story walk back down to take your kid to the bathroom and another 8 stories back up. 

What are you, 90? Clean the sand out of your vag.

Fatty is 100% correct here, though so is slimz with the economics argument.

However: winning cures all.

No ... I just understand marketing and understand you can't sell a product during down times when you're charging premium prices and providing sub-premium products and service.

Someday maybe some on here with PowerTard syndrome will understand the real world. 



We couldn't sell out a 50K stadium when we were in the midst of a 73-18 run.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

September 26, 2006, 12:21:51 AM
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That's not the only reason ... but you'll never convince me that that fan "treatment" doesn't creep into the minds of many folks when you also have the team performance variable that's very visible as well.

When the main product is awesome, that fringe fan they need to fill those 5,000 empty seats is going to look the other way on a bunch of stuff.

Oh and Fatty ... we had over 50K for Temple.   

Max Urick had every opportunity to provide proper fan amenities when they expanded the stadium and he sucked so bad and was so short sighted, he cut a ton of stuff out ... stuff that at this juncture would be nearly paid for.



September 26, 2006, 12:23:21 AM
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So? Fact remains we rarely sold out a 50K stadium in the middle of a run that KSU football will probaly NEVER experience again.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

September 26, 2006, 12:35:44 AM
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a run that KSU football will probaly NEVER experience again.
&@#% you Fatty  :crybaby: :crybaby:

September 26, 2006, 12:38:01 AM
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And the fact remains that KSU's AD has taken for granted that people will buy tickets just because ... it was that way then, and that way now.   They seem to be happy with about 38K season ticket holders and about 45-46,000 a game.  They'll put together a handful of lame radio spots, and send out a cheap glossy brochure but that's about it.

I wonder how many people who bought the family packs when they had them, eventually upgraded to regular season tickets.


September 26, 2006, 12:40:26 AM
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That's not the only reason ... but you'll never convince me that that fan "treatment" doesn't creep into the minds of many folks when you also have the team performance variable that's very visible as well.

When the main product is awesome, that fringe fan they need to fill those 5,000 empty seats is going to look the other way on a bunch of stuff.

Oh and Fatty ... we had over 50K for Temple.   

Max Urick had every opportunity to provide proper fan amenities when they expanded the stadium and he sucked so bad and was so short sighted, he cut a ton of stuff out ... stuff that at this juncture would be nearly paid for.


Well, blaming it on poor design of the expansion is not the reason KSU fans don't go to games either.   Sure, we can sell out the big games, but lowering the ticket price isn't going to bring them in either.   You've got to get people to WANT to go to the games because they like going and to do that means, they have to prioritize their lifestyle to going to games on Saturday.   Unless more people do that, you can spend all the money you want making a great facility, but you also have to have a fan base that wants to support it and will do so at the expense of everything else. 

We're not objective people here to tell us that "yeah, all you need is this.." in regards to facilities. I mean, I'm here in Arizona.  It's not practical for me to fly back EVERY home game not because I can't afford it, it's because I have other obligations.   I know of people in Manhattan who just don't want to go to the game.  And no amount of major investment of money into the stadium is going to make them come, because, once you do put the money into it, you still have to maintain it, you still have to market it, you still have to provide the product. it's a never ending cycle.   And at what point do you say, the priority is only in facilities and nothing else?   There has to be a balance and that balance isn't going to be decided by people who want to put all the money in facilities and hope that it's enough to buy a championship.  So much more is involved in getting people to go to games.

I know this, if I was in Manhattan, I would go.  I could prioritize my life (assuming I am making the same kind of money there) to do so.  That's just me.  That's not like my dad's neighbor in Manhattan who is a KSU grad but could give a crap about football.




September 26, 2006, 12:44:27 AM
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The point is .... we don't know for sure.   But again, plenty of people are well aware of the upper deck treatment at KSU Stadium ... and when you look at what KSU charges, and what they are currently providing ... it's going to mean IMO plenty of people aren't going to pull the trigger.



September 26, 2006, 12:46:21 AM
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Maybe.   I'm sure there are 5,000 fence sitters out there either waiting for better facilities or cheaper prices.


September 26, 2006, 07:11:50 AM
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Didn't say that.

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September 26, 2006, 07:36:42 AM
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Since it's been a problem selling section 420 and 429 for some time now...I cannot understand why they don't open it up to family plan seating...

They REALLY need to put some damned restrooms up there...that's ridiculous.


September 26, 2006, 09:05:31 AM
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September 26, 2006, 09:09:32 AM
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Maybe.   I'm sure there are 5,000 fence sitters out there either waiting for better facilities or cheaper prices.



Is this a good reason to do things sub-half-assed when it comes to facilities?  There has to be a point where you're better off doing nothing at all instead of building crap.

September 26, 2006, 09:28:42 AM
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September 26, 2006, 10:17:21 AM
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Why did this topic make it to two pages?

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I'm telling you, this is not ANYTHING like the team from the beginning of conference play. You will see no more blowouts like what happened in OOC.  If we lose, it will not because these kids gave up, and it will be at the buzzer. -Rodless, before 97-70