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November 20, 2008, 12:56:36 PM
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The consumer/public consumption  is 70% of the economy. Was  thinking that gov giving matching funds to the public if they start spending again.  Just an idea. Don't ask me for details. Something like stimulas checks but boosts spending.



 
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November 20, 2008, 12:58:12 PM
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I would just like them to give me another check.  I bought a 360 and some gamez with the last one....but now I need a bigger and better tv.

November 20, 2008, 01:01:08 PM
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Like gift cards?

yep. matching purchases. 

& public construction(<-they say it takes too long to filter down the economy and helps certain companies,not sure)

November 20, 2008, 01:04:25 PM
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I would just like them to give me another check.  I bought a 360 and some gamez with the last one....but now I need a bigger and better tv.

seen panasonic plasma hd for  $664 ? 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=amb_link_18311901_2?ie=UTF8&node=724228011%2C979929011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=gp-left-2&pf_rd_r=1ZH20651VZFK8QKX2D7J&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=459557801&pf_rd_i=1065836

 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I haven't been paying much attention to the hd tv market lately, didn't realize they were getting that cheap. 

Looks like I'm buying myself a tv for christmas   :dancin:

November 20, 2008, 01:18:46 PM
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I would just like them to give me another check.  I bought a 360 and some gamez with the last one....but now I need a bigger and better tv.

seen panasonic plasma hd for  $664 ? 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=amb_link_18311901_2?ie=UTF8&node=724228011%2C979929011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=gp-left-2&pf_rd_r=1ZH20651VZFK8QKX2D7J&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=459557801&pf_rd_i=1065836

 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I haven't been paying much attention to the hd tv market lately, didn't realize they were getting that cheap. 

Looks like I'm buying myself a tv for christmas   :dancin:

Enjoy your new TV...I'll be 'stimulating the economy' with Barbie Dolls and Lincoln Logs for my kids while I play NCAA Football 2003 on my PSII and 700lb 32" TV  :crybaby:
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November 20, 2008, 01:19:41 PM
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November 20, 2008, 01:24:09 PM
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I would just like them to give me another check.  I bought a 360 and some gamez with the last one....but now I need a bigger and better tv.

seen panasonic plasma hd for  $664 ? 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=amb_link_18311901_2?ie=UTF8&node=724228011%2C979929011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=gp-left-2&pf_rd_r=1ZH20651VZFK8QKX2D7J&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=459557801&pf_rd_i=1065836

 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I haven't been paying much attention to the hd tv market lately, didn't realize they were getting that cheap. 

Looks like I'm buying myself a tv for christmas   :dancin:

I have been checking those out few days now.  Don't forget the LCDS on there.
Big Size.  Nice price. Great reviews.  I don't see much difference in Lcd vs Plasma now. Lcds used to be hard to view from an angle but not anymore.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0016PBCQY/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1227208105&sr=1-3

Another point is the EPIC sales.  I wouldn't know when to buy for a good deal Before or after Thanksgiving? Online or bestbuy?
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November 20, 2008, 01:29:57 PM
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I'd assume that the day after Thanksgiving is the best time to buy in a store, but I dunno about websites....I haven't done much web-shopping in my life.  Those evil little hackers will steal my soul  :cyclist:

November 20, 2008, 03:54:21 PM
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i would use the bailout money to create new jobs rebuilding our country's infrastructure.


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November 20, 2008, 05:09:44 PM
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i would use the bailout money to create new jobs rebuilding our country's infrastructure.

I like the new TV idea much better....



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November 20, 2008, 05:35:50 PM
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i would use the bailout money to create new jobs rebuilding our country's infrastructure.

What if our country puts the money on red at some dubai casino?  Could really help stimulate the economy if we win and prolly free room/buffet even if we lose  :dunno:
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November 20, 2008, 05:36:59 PM
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i would use the bailout money to create new jobs rebuilding our country's infrastructure.

What if our country puts the money on red at some dubai casino?  Could really help stimulate the economy if we win and prolly free room/buffet even if we lose  :dunno:

That's pretty much where the TARP funds are going now.   :flush:
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November 20, 2008, 11:26:50 PM
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I would just like them to give me another check.  I bought a 360 and some gamez with the last one....but now I need a bigger and better tv.

seen panasonic plasma hd for  $664 ? 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=amb_link_18311901_2?ie=UTF8&node=724228011%2C979929011&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=gp-left-2&pf_rd_r=1ZH20651VZFK8QKX2D7J&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=459557801&pf_rd_i=1065836

 :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

I haven't been paying much attention to the hd tv market lately, didn't realize they were getting that cheap. 

Looks like I'm buying myself a tv for christmas   :dancin:

I have been checking those out few days now.  Don't forget the LCDS on there.
Big Size.  Nice price. Great reviews.  I don't see much difference in Lcd vs Plasma now. Lcds used to be hard to view from an angle but not anymore.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B0016PBCQY/ref=dp_olp_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1227208105&sr=1-3

Another point is the EPIC sales.  I wouldn't know when to buy for a good deal Before or after Thanksgiving? Online or bestbuy?

Plasmas are becoming old ballz. LCDs are  :love:. In the next few years we'll see OLEDs they are ( :tongue::love:)^1,000,000

November 20, 2008, 11:33:23 PM
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LCDs are fine if you like motion blur, garish colors, and uneven screen lighting.  OLED will be most excellent but at, what, $12k for a very small screen ATM it's going to be a while. 
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November 21, 2008, 10:14:08 AM
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LCDs are fine if you like motion blur, garish colors, and uneven screen lighting.  OLED will be most excellent but at, what, $12k for a very small screen ATM it's going to be a while. 
my LCD doesn't have any motion blur, garish colors or uneven screen lighting   :dunno:   and OLEDs aren't ever going to be a standard.


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November 21, 2008, 11:46:05 AM
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 :bawl:  Obama buy me a goddamn TV!  I'm still waiting for my check!

November 21, 2008, 02:43:33 PM
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LCDs are fine if you like motion blur, garish colors, and uneven screen lighting.  OLED will be most excellent but at, what, $12k for a very small screen ATM it's going to be a while. 

Azcat.  try and drop by  best buy and ask them to change the channels to sports.

November 21, 2008, 03:26:17 PM
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there's an OLED at the Sonystore near my place, it's badass, but it's about the size of a postcard.  :lol:


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LCDs are fine if you like motion blur, garish colors, and uneven screen lighting.  OLED will be most excellent but at, what, $12k for a very small screen ATM it's going to be a while. 

Azcat.  try and drop by  best buy and ask them to change the channels to sports.

Been there, done that at BB and other places.  LCD is improving but it's simply an inferior technology. 
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November 21, 2008, 04:50:26 PM
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LCDs are fine if you like motion blur, garish colors, and uneven screen lighting.  OLED will be most excellent but at, what, $12k for a very small screen ATM it's going to be a while. 

Azcat.  try and drop by  best buy and ask them to change the channels to sports.

Been there, done that at BB and other places.  LCD is improving but it's simply an inferior technology. 
maybe inferior to things like OLED, but def blows plasma out of the water.  sorry guy. :sleep:


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November 21, 2008, 05:06:57 PM
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LCDs are fine if you like motion blur, garish colors, and uneven screen lighting.  OLED will be most excellent but at, what, $12k for a very small screen ATM it's going to be a while. 

Azcat.  try and drop by  best buy and ask them to change the channels to sports.

Been there, done that at BB and other places.  LCD is improving but it's simply an inferior technology. 
maybe inferior to things like OLED, but def blows plasma out of the water.  sorry guy. :sleep:

For those consumers who equate quality with the garish cartoonish colors LCD produces that might be the case.  For the rest of us who are interested in a realistic-looking picture the better plasmas (note: not to include things like Vizio & LG) are the ticket. 
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November 21, 2008, 05:23:28 PM
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LCDs are fine if you like motion blur, garish colors, and uneven screen lighting.  OLED will be most excellent but at, what, $12k for a very small screen ATM it's going to be a while. 

Azcat.  try and drop by  best buy and ask them to change the channels to sports.

Been there, done that at BB and other places.  LCD is improving but it's simply an inferior technology. 
maybe inferior to things like OLED, but def blows plasma out of the water.  sorry guy. :sleep:

For those consumers who equate quality with the garish cartoonish colors LCD produces that might be the case.  For the rest of us who are interested in a realistic-looking picture the better plasmas (note: not to include things like Vizio & LG) are the ticket. 
hey bro, i just got a text message from my LCD, it told me to tell you that it refuses to be your rival.  sorry guy.   8-)


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November 21, 2008, 08:19:46 PM
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Give me the bailout money instead of the big companies.

November 21, 2008, 09:42:42 PM
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I've been staying away from TV threads as I fear the mass threads of "What TV should I buy" and answers of "My Vizio looks better than any other TV I've seen!" However, there is major truth to the "Wait until January" argument. There's a lot of reasons and I'll try to go through them and their various reasonings.

First of all, prices for TVs when graphed form an asymptote, similar to the graph below:



Forget what the graph is about, just look at the data plots. See how the price starts really high, drops quickly , levels out and then slowly hits close to zero? Well that's how TVs and other big ticket electronic items are priced. You can buy a brand new Mitsubishi 65" LaserVue tv right now for about $7k shipped. Image that as the top price. Now, a year from now, the price might be $5k. Then two years from now, it'll be $2k and it's still a good TV. However, five years from now, that same TV should be close to $1k. There's a big difference between spending "close to" $1k and "close to" $2k. Just a primer in terms of spending and also part of the reason I'm so much against Vizio's and other extreme low-end technology marketers. Their products are literally obsolete and approaching the x-axis ($0 value) the second you walk out of the store.

Secondly, everyone knows the economy sucks. Even Joe the Plumber knows. Real disposable personal income decreased ~9% in Q3 after posting an ~11% drop in Q2 year over last. Consumer spending overall dropped ~3% year over last as well. The inventory systems of stores has been tightened up greatly over the past five years to follow JIT delivery. However, this year it's widely expected that Christmas will not be a big-ticket item holiday. Look at the retailers: Circuit City, closing stores. Best Buy, cutting sales and profit forecasts. Fry's, stopping plans to expand its' territory. Who's doing well? Wal-mart, $1 stores, Big Lots and other cheap retailers. Consumers are just not buying big-ticket items at this time in our economy; sales are down on big-ticket electronics about 20% year over last.

The final reason is there are new rollouts of technology coming in March of next year and the retailers need to get rid of inventories. When they are introducing new TVs and other high end electronics, retailers need to cut prices on the old products in order to avoid excessive lame duck inventory (slow moving). If they don't cut prices on the "old" models, when everyone knows the new models are coming out, no one will by the old models and they'll end up with massive stocks of product. So, I'm expecting a compounding effect:

    * Decrease in demand for big ticket items
    * Decrease in price to close out the old inventory
    * Decrease in demand due to tightening of credit markets

If you have cash to pay for your TV, wait until after Christmas and look to spend around $1700-2000 on a TV. You'll get a great deal on a TV you'll be happy with for at least 5 years. For a frame of reference, the average life of a TV in the United States in 2001 was 9 years. Now, it's closer to 7.5 years. If you take out the outliers, especially the high end of people who just don't care about what their TV looks like and aren't in the market for high end TVs anyways, 5 years is well more than what you should expect to enjoy from a quality high end TV.

Sorry for babbling and not actually talking about anything technical.

November 21, 2008, 09:47:41 PM
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^yeah can't disagree with any of that. well put.

November 21, 2008, 10:32:23 PM
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November 21, 2008, 11:47:52 PM
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I've been staying away from TV threads as I fear the mass threads of "What TV should I buy" and answers of "My Vizio looks better than any other TV I've seen!" However, there is major truth to the "Wait until January" argument. There's a lot of reasons and I'll try to go through them and their various reasonings.

First of all, prices for TVs when graphed form an asymptote, similar to the graph below:



Forget what the graph is about, just look at the data plots. See how the price starts really high, drops quickly , levels out and then slowly hits close to zero? Well that's how TVs and other big ticket electronic items are priced. You can buy a brand new Mitsubishi 65" LaserVue tv right now for about $7k shipped. Image that as the top price. Now, a year from now, the price might be $5k. Then two years from now, it'll be $2k and it's still a good TV. However, five years from now, that same TV should be close to $1k. There's a big difference between spending "close to" $1k and "close to" $2k. Just a primer in terms of spending and also part of the reason I'm so much against Vizio's and other extreme low-end technology marketers. Their products are literally obsolete and approaching the x-axis ($0 value) the second you walk out of the store.

Secondly, everyone knows the economy sucks. Even Joe the Plumber knows. Real disposable personal income decreased ~9% in Q3 after posting an ~11% drop in Q2 year over last. Consumer spending overall dropped ~3% year over last as well. The inventory systems of stores has been tightened up greatly over the past five years to follow JIT delivery. However, this year it's widely expected that Christmas will not be a big-ticket item holiday. Look at the retailers: Circuit City, closing stores. Best Buy, cutting sales and profit forecasts. Fry's, stopping plans to expand its' territory. Who's doing well? Wal-mart, $1 stores, Big Lots and other cheap retailers. Consumers are just not buying big-ticket items at this time in our economy; sales are down on big-ticket electronics about 20% year over last.

The final reason is there are new rollouts of technology coming in March of next year and the retailers need to get rid of inventories. When they are introducing new TVs and other high end electronics, retailers need to cut prices on the old products in order to avoid excessive lame duck inventory (slow moving). If they don't cut prices on the "old" models, when everyone knows the new models are coming out, no one will by the old models and they'll end up with massive stocks of product. So, I'm expecting a compounding effect:

    * Decrease in demand for big ticket items
    * Decrease in price to close out the old inventory
    * Decrease in demand due to tightening of credit markets

If you have cash to pay for your TV, wait until after Christmas and look to spend around $1700-2000 on a TV. You'll get a great deal on a TV you'll be happy with for at least 5 years. For a frame of reference, the average life of a TV in the United States in 2001 was 9 years. Now, it's closer to 7.5 years. If you take out the outliers, especially the high end of people who just don't care about what their TV looks like and aren't in the market for high end TVs anyways, 5 years is well more than what you should expect to enjoy from a quality high end TV.

Sorry for babbling and not actually talking about anything technical.


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