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November 20, 2008, 02:40:04 PM
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.

Obviously get it then.  No question.  Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.  

You were mean once  :curse:

No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.

sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal.  Go to school though.  Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen

So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State  :flush:

qft X 1000.  Assuming you work realtively hard and aren't retarded, the experience, and moreso the contacts, you gain in 2 years working will be far more valuable than an MBA from KSU.  If you have an MBA, and you ever want to move out of Kansas (like to a place where there are actually jobs), everyone will assume you couldn't get into a real business school when they see your MBA is from KSU.


November 20, 2008, 04:05:51 PM
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.

Obviously get it then.  No question.  Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.  

You were mean once  :curse:

No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.

sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal.  Go to school though.  Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen

So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State  :flush:

qft X 1000.  Assuming you work realtively hard and aren't retarded, the experience, and moreso the contacts, you gain in 2 years working will be far more valuable than an MBA from KSU.  If you have an MBA, and you ever want to move out of Kansas (like to a place where there are actually jobs), everyone will assume you couldn't get into a real business school when they see your MBA is from KSU.



i used to feel like that too.  but, i've changed my mind.  everyone in the job market gains experience and contacts, not everyone will or can get their MBA.  if you've got the money and desire, I would recommend you do it.  as you mentioned, the job market sucks right now.  you've not worked as hard as you have up to this point, only to take a sh*tty job somewhere that you won't enjoy doing.  spend the next 1.5 years getting your MBA and enjoying the security from the economy and job market that college will afford you.  you've got the opportunity, time, money, and desire, to do it right now and that's something you may not have again.  when you graduate, the economy won't be any worse than it is today, and more than likely, will be much better which will allow you to find a job somewhere you feel more comfortable.

as it relates to the GMAT, study a little bit for a few weeks and you should be ok unless you're a complete dumbass like goCATSgo.


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November 20, 2008, 04:55:36 PM
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Paying for the MBA really isn't a problem. I'm not worried about that.

Obviously get it then.  No question.  Also, ask your rich parents if your poor friend sd can have some money.  

You were mean once  :curse:

No, but its a mix of savings and getting through a lot of undergrad on scholarships.

sorry about being mean once bro, nothing personal.  Go to school though.  Undergrad degrees are a dime a dozen

So are MBAs from schools like Kansas State  :flush:

qft X 1000.  Assuming you work realtively hard and aren't retarded, the experience, and moreso the contacts, you gain in 2 years working will be far more valuable than an MBA from KSU.  If you have an MBA, and you ever want to move out of Kansas (like to a place where there are actually jobs), everyone will assume you couldn't get into a real business school when they see your MBA is from KSU.



i used to feel like that too.  but, i've changed my mind.  everyone in the job market gains experience and contacts, not everyone will or can get their MBA.  if you've got the money and desire, I would recommend you do it.  as you mentioned, the job market sucks right now.  you've not worked as hard as you have up to this point, only to take a sh*tty job somewhere that you won't enjoy doing.  spend the next 1.5 years getting your MBA and enjoying the security from the economy and job market that college will afford you.  you've got the opportunity, time, money, and desire, to do it right now and that's something you may not have again.  when you graduate, the economy won't be any worse than it is today, and more than likely, will be much better which will allow you to find a job somewhere you feel more comfortable.

as it relates to the GMAT, study a little bit for a few weeks and you should be ok unless you're a complete dumbass like goCATSgo.

I'm not discouraging you from getting an MBA, as much as I am discouraging you from getting it at KSU.  I love KSU as much as the next KSU-tard, but let's be honest, it's business program is basically a joke.

November 20, 2008, 05:32:02 PM
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I'm not discouraging you from getting an MBA, as much as I am discouraging you from getting it at KSU.  I love KSU as much as the next KSU-tard, but let's be honest, it's business program is basically a joke.

Even if the KSU business program weren't a joke a KSU MBA is of limited utility.  Most folks who attend elite MBA programs will tell you that the contacts are worth, at minimum, an order of magnitude more than the credential and there's just no way you'll be able to cultivate top-shelf contacts at a bottom-feeder program.  Note that this implies that part-time / night / executive / distance programs from top-shelf name-brand institutions are also of limited value to those looking to expose themselves to the largest possible base of opportunities.

An MBA is also a lot more valuable to someone who's been in the workforce for a while.  Until you've met a payroll, or at least been a team lead on a few significant efforts, you really don't have the perspective necessary to appreciate what you'll be taught. 

If you have a job offer and it doesn't suck too much take it.  MBA programs that will have you now will gladly accept you in a few years if the job doesn't pan out or if you decide you really need an MBA. 

If you just *have* to do the MBA right now do yourself a favor and apply to the top 25-ish programs.  If you get into one of those go, if not work a few years and try again later. 
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November 20, 2008, 05:36:33 PM
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I'm an architect and I narrowly escaped the first wave of layoffs. If you can delay the job search for CS, then by all means, do it. This is not a good time in this profession.

November 20, 2008, 05:38:23 PM
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I'm an architect and I narrowly escaped the first wave of layoffs. If you can delay the job search for CS, then by all means, do it. This is not a good time in this profession.

or almost any profession.  Excellent time to be in school (sd may go back  :ohno: )
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November 20, 2008, 05:49:09 PM
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier.  Am I wrong?

Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off.  In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that you're better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over.  Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".
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November 20, 2008, 05:53:56 PM
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier.  Am I wrong?

Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off.  In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that your better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over.  Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".


What field are you in? I just saw 6 people laid off and all of them were great contributors. In my field, when bonds don't pass and projects are very hard to come by, laying people off is the only way to trim spending, since they are the bulk of it. In addition, everyone got a pay cut. The owners took a 20% pay cut.

November 20, 2008, 05:56:11 PM
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier.  Am I wrong?

Unless my employer went under I will not get laid off though we have had some pretty extensive cuts.  However, if you are just out of school, you will almost certainly have much better prospects in a year or two.  Also, investing in yourself is pretty much the best investment you can make.  
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November 20, 2008, 05:59:55 PM
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier.  Am I wrong?

Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off.  In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that your better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over.  Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".


What field are you in? I just saw 6 people laid off and all of them were great contributors. In my field, when bonds don't pass and projects are very hard to come by, laying people off is the only way to trim spending, since they are the bulk of it. In addition, everyone got a pay cut. The owners took a 20% pay cut.

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November 20, 2008, 06:02:37 PM
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Did you see what Citi just did?  BLOODBATH
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November 20, 2008, 06:05:02 PM
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Did you see what Citi just did?  BLOODBATH

Citi was part of the problem to this whole economy deal.  lent to dumbass people who got pre-approved for more than they could afford and ran with it.  now it's costing all the non-dumbasses.

November 20, 2008, 06:08:39 PM
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I've not heard any bad advice from anyone on here yet. Obviously it comes down to personal choice. All I have is an undergrad in poli sci; I was accepted to law school but bolted a couple years ago when I realized I had no desire to be a lawyer, I was just going through the motions. Now I'm out in the real world with a crap degree. I love school and want to go back, but I've always leaned more on my personal skillset more than a piece of paper or book knowledge. I got a decent job right out of the gate that offers security in these tough times but no opportunities for advancement. With the confidence I have in my own people and business skills, I've decided to start my own business and am not afraid in the least. Just do what suits you. Although the idea of a top school for an MBA is a must.
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November 20, 2008, 06:09:54 PM
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I've not heard any bad advice from anyone on here yet. Obviously it comes down to personal choice. All I have is an undergrad in poli sci; I was accepted to law school but bolted a couple years ago when I realized I had no desire to be a lawyer, I was just going through the motions. Now I'm out in the real world with a crap degree. I love school and want to go back, but I've always leaned more on my personal skillset more than a piece of paper or book knowledge. I got a decent job right out of the gate that offers security in these tough times but no opportunities for advancement. With the confidence I have in my own people and business skills, I've decided to start my own business and am not afraid in the least. Just do what suits you. Although the idea of a top school for an MBA is a must.

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November 20, 2008, 06:19:30 PM
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June.  Cuts are coming, for sure.  I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me.  It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think  :hope:).

Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed.  Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent.  All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.

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November 20, 2008, 06:33:39 PM
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You guys are in the wrong industry

Computer Science has a lot of available jobs from the companies I have talked to
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November 20, 2008, 06:35:12 PM
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You guys are in the wrong industry

Computer Science has a lot of available jobs from the companies I have talked to

Do you work in the field or are you a student?
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November 20, 2008, 06:40:32 PM
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You guys are in the wrong industry

Computer Science has a lot of available jobs from the companies I have talked to

Do you work in the field or are you a student?

Student  :scared:

I was kinda replying to this post though:

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Like I said RD and DK... no one is really hiring. I interviewed with 8+ companies and most failed to even respond after multiple contacts. I have one job offer and I'm 90% sure they don't have MBA assistance.  I'm pretty sure 8 years into this company I have an offer from that I'm not going to make near 6-figs.  Its not a thriving, real rewarding company.  Not a bad job, but nothing I'm going to be making a lot of money with.

Of course the companies could be lying about having job opportunities, but many are available, and many companies hire a lot of interns, who 100% get a job offer when they graduate.
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier.  Am I wrong?

Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off.  In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that you're better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over.  Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".

no offense guys but the job market sux and its getting worse.  the last ones hired are the first ones fired; hell, the dude doesnt even have a job yet.  figure it out, the fat has been trimmed from companies- people who don't deserve to be losing their jobs will be soon. 


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November 20, 2008, 07:02:33 PM
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No offense guys, but I have been through several rounds of lay offs and I am yet to see someone get laid off that shouldn't have been fired (or never hired) years earlier.  Am I wrong?

Don't go to grad school just because you're afraid of getting laid-off.  In my experience, getting laid-off coincides with not having the drive or motivation to prove that you're better than that doofus surfing for porn in the next cubicle over.  Getting an MBA won't cure a lack of drive/motivation, so if you're going to get laid off, it's going to happen eventually anyway, and you probably deserved it. As I was told before I entered a field flooded with applicants, "there's always room at the top".

no offense guys but the job market sux and its getting worse.  the last ones hired are the first ones fired; hell, the dude doesnt even have a job yet.  figure it out, the fat has been trimmed from companies- people who don't deserve to be losing their jobs will be soon. 

No offense, 'clams, but he said he has a job offer.  I assume that means all he has to do is accept it, and he has a job.  If he's smart he'd take it.  Then when the economy levels out, he'll actually have some experience that another employer will find valuable, instead of an entry on his resume that screams: I couldn't get into a good school.


November 20, 2008, 07:04:47 PM
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he said it's a sh*tty offer that he doesn't want to accept it.  i think that if he was smart, he'd get the mba he wants and spend the time he's in school working on it improving his network and looking for the job he actually wants, in a market that actually wants him.  but hey - what do i know, i just do this crap for a living.


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he said it's a sh*tty offer that he doesn't want to accept it.  i think that if he was smart, he'd get the mba he wants and spend the time he's in school working on it improving his network and looking for the job he actually wants, in a market that actually wants him.  but hey - what do i know, i just do this crap for a living.

Dood, ALL the offers are sh*tty right now, especially for someone that did Construction Science instead of putting in the effort to get a degree in Civil Engineering.  Maybe we just disagree, but I am coinvinced that an opportunity to exhibit your talent to people in your field (the people who will eventually be making hiring decisions or will know the people that make the hiring decisions at other places) is 1000 X > a worthless MBA from a no-name business school. 

November 20, 2008, 07:23:41 PM
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June.  Cuts are coming, for sure.  I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me.  It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think  :hope:).

Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed.  Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent.  All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.



When an entire industry is failing, there are no other companies you can turn to. I'm convinced I'm only around because I'm cheap labor and I'm on the only project that is still going. I agree that there are measures you can take to help prevent getting laid off, but nothing will prevent you from getting laid off.

November 20, 2008, 07:49:25 PM
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June.  Cuts are coming, for sure.  I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me.  It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think  :hope:).

Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed.  Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent.  All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.



When an entire industry is failing, there are no other companies you can turn to. I'm convinced I'm only around because I'm cheap labor and I'm on the only project that is still going. I agree that there are measures you can take to help prevent getting laid off, but nothing will prevent you from getting laid off.

C'mon.  Architects aren't going extinct.  I'm sure the best ones have plenty of work, and I would bet that you had an inkling that the construction industry would slow down at some point, but were willing to take the risk.  Congrats, on making it through lay-offs.  It sucks when it happens, but you are still around either because you have pictures of the boss or because someone thinks you have some talent.  All those schmucks that got laid off could have been shifted to your position, and would have been if someone thought they were more valuable than you.  The victims may not be cheaper than you, but they undoubtedly would have taken a pay cut over a pink slip.
 

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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June.  Cuts are coming, for sure.  I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me.  It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think  :hope:).

Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed.  Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent.  All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.



When an entire industry is failing, there are no other companies you can turn to. I'm convinced I'm only around because I'm cheap labor and I'm on the only project that is still going. I agree that there are measures you can take to help prevent getting laid off, but nothing will prevent you from getting laid off.

C'mon.  Architects aren't going extinct.  I'm sure the best ones have plenty of work, and I would bet that you had an inkling that the construction industry would slow down at some point, but were willing to take the risk.  Congrats, on making it through lay-offs.  It sucks when it happens, but you are still around either because you have pictures of the boss or because someone thinks you have some talent.  All those schmucks that got laid off could have been shifted to your position, and would have been if someone thought they were more valuable than you.  The victims may not be cheaper than you, but they undoubtedly would have taken a pay cut over a pink slip.
 

The bolded statement couldn't be further from the truth. We were the last big firm in Colorado to have lay offs. about a quarter of my graduating class couldn't get work, and plenty more have been laid off since. It's not a matter of projects getting fewer and fewer. It's a matter of absolutely no projects being available. I don't think some people grasp how my industry gets affected during rough times. Commercial and residential developers stopped nearly all work about 6 months ago. Government jobs? They depend on bonds that absolutely nobody pays for in times like this. Military work is hard to come buy, as their money is going elsewhere. The last to dry up right now is healthcare. I know you're saying people have a lot more influence whether or not they get laid off or not. That's probably true in a lot of areas, but alot of the time it just comes down to the company, firm, whatever having to cut overhead.

November 20, 2008, 09:07:28 PM
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The company I work for just closed at its 52-week low, 25% of what it was trading at in June.  Cuts are coming, for sure.  I may be a fool, but I'm not worried because I've found a way to position myself and align with the right people so that the cuts will have to be REALLY deep to get to me.  It certainly could happen, but the chances are slim (I think  :hope:).

Maybe I've just been lucky, and I've certainly gone thru times when my prospects were pretty bad, but the people who make the decisions as to who gets laid-off are most likely in that position because they know how to pick the people that can help them succeed.  Yes, when times are bad, the mediocre gets cut, along with the less-than-medicore. But, unless you are working for a company that is not stable enough to weather the storm, no one is going to lay-off the young hot-shot that has shown his/her talent.  All I can say is, 1) don't be mediocre 2) look around and get out of the company that can't weather the storm and 3) figure out how put yourself in a position that puts you at less risk that the guy next to you.



When an entire industry is failing, there are no other companies you can turn to. I'm convinced I'm only around because I'm cheap labor and I'm on the only project that is still going. I agree that there are measures you can take to help prevent getting laid off, but nothing will prevent you from getting laid off.

C'mon.  Architects aren't going extinct.  I'm sure the best ones have plenty of work, and I would bet that you had an inkling that the construction industry would slow down at some point, but were willing to take the risk.  Congrats, on making it through lay-offs.  It sucks when it happens, but you are still around either because you have pictures of the boss or because someone thinks you have some talent.  All those schmucks that got laid off could have been shifted to your position, and would have been if someone thought they were more valuable than you.  The victims may not be cheaper than you, but they undoubtedly would have taken a pay cut over a pink slip.
 

The bolded statement couldn't be further from the truth. We were the last big firm in Colorado to have lay offs. about a quarter of my graduating class couldn't get work, and plenty more have been laid off since. It's not a matter of projects getting fewer and fewer. It's a matter of absolutely no projects being available. I don't think some people grasp how my industry gets affected during rough times. Commercial and residential developers stopped nearly all work about 6 months ago. Government jobs? They depend on bonds that absolutely nobody pays for in times like this. Military work is hard to come buy, as their money is going elsewhere. The last to dry up right now is healthcare. I know you're saying people have a lot more influence whether or not they get laid off or not. That's probably true in a lot of areas, but alot of the time it just comes down to the company, firm, whatever having to cut overhead.

Huh?  1/4 of your class couldn't find work?  That means 75% DID FIND WORK.  That's a hell of a lot better percentage than my graduating class, and that's when the economy was very good.  Sorry, but the bottom 50% is not going to get sympathy from me, let alone the bottom 25%.  They need to find a different profession anyway.

I'm sure there are fewer and fewer projects now that credit isn't available to people/companies that never should have had it in the first place, but I'm sure you and every other person that was smart enough to complete a degree in architecture was smart enough to realize that the credit market was out of control and due for a comeupance at some point.  If someone entering the construction field didn't know that, they needed to get out anyway.

Don't misunderstand.  I've seen the guy in the office next to me get laid off, and just like you, I thought it should have been me.  When it happened I was shocked, and mostly scared.  But looking at it in hindsight, there were definte reasons that he got laid-off, and I didn't.  I will guarantee you that there will be architects in the US from now until enternity.  Maybe only the top few will survive, but the market will decide how many are needed and anyone that isn't within the group that is needed, needs to find a new profession anyway.  Sounds to me like you are in the group that is needed.  If you're not, and you know (or at least you should know) your filed better than anyone, start looking for something in a different field.

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Thought about this more and here is my revised take. If money isn't a big deal and you like school then you should get it. I doubt anyone has ever looked back on their life and said "I had a pretty good run but sure wish I could have finished college a little sooner. Yeah, wish I had a do over on that one. Def would've started working at 22 instead of 24. Oh well, too late now."

Seriously think about it...you've got like the next 30-40 years to work.  :flush:

Just don't think that the mba is some magical key to cakesville. Enjoy it for what it is, more education and a chance to learn knew things, grow in different ways and get drunk during the week without having to get to work by 8 the next day. Christ this was ghey post.
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November 20, 2008, 10:06:40 PM
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I think what Daris and the other posters in this thread (other than sd) are trying to say is, "I'm a huge f^cking dumbass!  Dur, Dur, Dur!"
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"I'm a huge f^cking dumbass!  Dur, Dur, Dur!"

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Christ, well played.  No counter attack for that.  Except.....
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