Fitz's credibility

[Kat Kid]

gopowercat.com reported the Prince news first.

That is how it will go down in history.

They certainly broke Snyder to retire, but Fitz got scooped by one of his own posters.  I know the guy who broke it.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

So if it wrankles Scout so much about the Prince-hire claim, why haven't they sued?

Maybe they have.

You guys are becoming incredibly ridiculous.  Please explain to me that even after the "Iowa" source said it was going to happen, why did the KSF.COM release their premium info that came out through Yahoo! saying something totally different?

Seems to me you guys are interchanging facts.  Scout is not the same as KSF.COM.   Maybe someone in the scout network had alluded or even said so, the KSU site did something different.

All a matter of perspective.

This must be your way of patting yourself on the back and reassuring yourself that it was money well spent paying a thief for ksu sports information that you get half a day before the rest of the world.

[fatty fat fat]

you've got to give Fitz credit. Gpc.com is the has the 10th most subscribers on the rivals network.

It's hilarious seeing some of you rag on gpc.com, then feed Fitz his 10 bucks a month.

Good stuff.

[chum1]

I think Fitz is a Ksu homer first reporter second.

you've got to give Fitz credit. Gpc.com is the has the 10th most subscribers on the rivals network.

I'd say he's a salesman first (we've got the hottest inside info...act now or you'll miss out), a homer second, and that's about all.

[mjrod]

You guys are becoming incredibly ridiculous.  Please explain to me that even after the "Iowa" source said it was going to happen, why did the KSF.COM release their premium info that came out through Yahoo! saying something totally different?

The brilliant Venables article preceded the Iowa source...and the Iowa source beat everyone to the punch.  I read his post not five minutes after hearing Fitz say on 810 he still had no idea who it was going to be. 

Of course, Fitz probably knew it was Prince, but didn't want Temple or Middle Tennesse State to catch wind of it and steal him away at the last minute.

Clarke posted that information in the free forum of ksf.com like four days into the first week.  The yahoo article appeared the following saturday.

You guys gotta hand it to the ksf.com people who initially had spend money on GPC accounts to scoop info from the Wabash.   Remember TexasCat?

LOL!

Stop ignoring reality folks.

[michigancat]

Clarke posted that information in the free forum of ksf.com like four days into the first week.  The yahoo article appeared the following saturday.

You guys gotta hand it to the ksf.com people who initially had spend money on GPC accounts to scoop info from the Wabash.   Remember TexasCat?

No, Fitz had reported Prince was a candidate on Wednesday of the second week, and Clark reported that he was hired less than a day later - the Washington Post picked up on it that night.  He also included info that said Snyder was f'ing pissed.  The SeanK "scoop" came before this...it might not have made it to Yahoo, but it was originally posted on Tuesday, Nov. 29. 

http://kansasstate.scout.com/2/472419.html

For the most part, I think both sites are ripoffs, but Josh Clark owned gp on the Prince story.

[fatty fat fat]

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[sonofdaxjones]

I just want to know what ChiTwnCat would have to say about this ... he's got an explanation/spin/apology for everything that goes on at KSU, so I am sure he's got a spin for all of this as well.

[mjrod]

Clarke posted that information in the free forum of ksf.com like four days into the first week.  The yahoo article appeared the following saturday.

You guys gotta hand it to the ksf.com people who initially had spend money on GPC accounts to scoop info from the Wabash.   Remember TexasCat?

No, Fitz had reported Prince was a candidate on Wednesday of the second week, and Clark reported that he was hired less than a day later - the Washington Post picked up on it that night.  He also included info that said Snyder was f'ing pissed.  The SeanK "scoop" came before this...it might not have made it to Yahoo, but it was originally posted on Tuesday, Nov. 29. 

http://kansasstate.scout.com/2/472419.html

For the most part, I think both sites are ripoffs, but Josh Clark owned gp on the Prince story.

I saw the post by Josh Clarke the first week after Snyder retired that Prince was being interviewed.  I remember it well because that information appeared on GPC before Fitz posted candidates, (they started that over the weekend) and then yes, Prince's article appeared the following week.   People on GPC were dismissing the scout information and it came back up later when it was announced that Prince was being hired.

I don't think Josh owned anyone, he was telling what he had heard through his sources.   And it wasn't that Clarke was right, so much that Clarke got ahold of information and reported it first on ksf.com as going towards Prince.   I don't know where people got the idea that Snyder was pissed, but apparently, Scout got that wrong too.

 

[michigancat]

I saw the post by Josh Clarke the first week after Snyder retired that Prince was being interviewed.  I remember it well because that information appeared on GPC before Fitz posted candidates, (they started that over the weekend) and then yes, Prince's article appeared the following week.   People on GPC were dismissing the scout information and it came back up later when it was announced that Prince was being hired.

You're confusing his "Prince is interviewing" post with his "Prince is pretty much a done deal and Snyder is pissed" post.

I don't think Josh owned anyone, he was telling what he had heard through his sources.   And it wasn't that Clarke was right, so much that Clarke got ahold of information and reported it first on ksf.com as going towards Prince.   

Fine...he "scooped" Fitz in a major way, then, and Fitz has no right to claim he broke the story.

I don't know where people got the idea that Snyder was pissed, but apparently, Scout got that wrong too.

How do you know that - because Fitz told you?

[WilliamTheWildcat]

I just want to know what ChiTwnCat would have to say about this ... he's got an explanation/spin/apology for everything that goes on at KSU, so I am sure he's got a spin for all of this as well.

 

[mjrod]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

[chum1]

I don't know where people got the idea that Snyder was pissed, but apparently, Scout got that wrong too.

How do you know that - because Fitz told you?

Other than that he wasn't pissed, what did GPC say about Snyder's reaction to Prince?  I want to compare notes.

[hillwalking03]

You guys are becoming incredibly ridiculous.  Please explain to me that even after the "Iowa" source said it was going to happen, why did the KSF.COM release their premium info that came out through Yahoo! saying something totally different?

The brilliant Venables article preceded the Iowa source...and the Iowa source beat everyone to the punch.  I read his post not five minutes after hearing Fitz say on 810 he still had no idea who it was going to be. 

Of course, Fitz probably knew it was Prince, but didn't want Temple or Middle Tennesse State to catch wind of it and steal him away at the last minute.

Clarke posted that information in the free forum of ksf.com like four days into the first week.  The yahoo article appeared the following saturday.

You guys gotta hand it to the ksf.com people who initially had spend money on GPC accounts to scoop info from the Wabash.   Remember TexasCat?

LOL!

Stop ignoring reality folks.

The info was also posted on Phog and the Iowa site the same day as it was on KSF.com.  He then came back on to reiterate his info despite the denials from Fitz and KK.

[michigancat]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

I'm not a hater...I just don't think it's cool for lies to be spread.  If Clark didn't "break the story" first, the Washington Post sure did.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/934338981.html?dids=934338981:934338981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&fmac=&date=Dec+1%2C+2005&author=&desc=Cavs+Lose+at+Least+1+Assistant

Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

If it was false, why hasn't anyone sued?

[chum1]

The phrase "you heard it here first" would accurately describe KSF but not GPC in this case.  I think something like that gets at the central issue here (as opposed to reporting vs. breaking stories or Scout vs. KSF) and it is the notion behind that phrase that was apparently misapplied in the commercial.

[mjrod]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

I'm not a hater...I just don't think it's cool for lies to be spread.  If Clark didn't "break the story" first, the Washington Post sure did.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/934338981.html?dids=934338981:934338981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&fmac=&date=Dec+1%2C+2005&author=&desc=Cavs+Lose+at+Least+1+Assistant

Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

If it was false, why hasn't anyone sued?

You don't sue unless there has been harm caused to you.  You have to have standing to sue.  Or didn't you know that?

And why do you think what Fitz said was a lie?   Where was his lie?  That he broke the story of Prince's hiring first?   How many people follow the WP for KSU sports?

You say you don't hate, but you're calling him a liar.   I find that interesting.

[mjrod]

The phrase "you heard it here first" would accurately describe KSF but not GPC in this case.  I think something like that gets at the central issue here (as opposed to reporting vs. breaking stories or Scout vs. KSF) and it is the notion behind that phrase that was apparently misapplied in the commercial.

All I saw was a message on a message board that he was being hired.   Where was the article that Josh wrote stating so in the news accounts?

[michigancat]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

I'm not a hater...I just don't think it's cool for lies to be spread.  If Clark didn't "break the story" first, the Washington Post sure did.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/934338981.html?dids=934338981:934338981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&fmac=&date=Dec+1%2C+2005&author=&desc=Cavs+Lose+at+Least+1+Assistant

Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

If it was false, why hasn't anyone sued?

You don't sue unless there has been harm caused to you.  You have to have standing to sue.  Or didn't you know that?

And why do you think what Fitz said was a lie?   Where was his lie?  That he broke the story of Prince's hiring first?   How many people follow the WP for KSU sports?

You say you don't hate, but you're calling him a liar.   I find that interesting.

Umm...a lot of KSU fans saw the Post story that night.  Fitz is a liar because he say whatever he said about "you heard it here first" when he neither "broke the news" or "scooped the story" or did anything firstvia random post or published story.  And I don't hate someone just because they lie in a television commercial.

[kougar24]

Let's make this simple:

GPC.com did not break the Prince hiring first.

 

[mjrod]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

I'm not a hater...I just don't think it's cool for lies to be spread.  If Clark didn't "break the story" first, the Washington Post sure did.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/934338981.html?dids=934338981:934338981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&fmac=&date=Dec+1%2C+2005&author=&desc=Cavs+Lose+at+Least+1+Assistant

Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

If it was false, why hasn't anyone sued?

You don't sue unless there has been harm caused to you.  You have to have standing to sue.  Or didn't you know that?

And why do you think what Fitz said was a lie?   Where was his lie?  That he broke the story of Prince's hiring first?   How many people follow the WP for KSU sports?

You say you don't hate, but you're calling him a liar.   I find that interesting.

Umm...a lot of KSU fans saw the Post story that night.  Fitz is a liar because he say whatever he said about "you heard it here first" when he neither "broke the news" or "scooped the story" or did anything firstvia random post or published story.  And I don't hate someone just because they lie in a television commercial.

Yeah, a "lot" of KSU fans saw the story.

 

[michigancat]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

I'm not a hater...I just don't think it's cool for lies to be spread.  If Clark didn't "break the story" first, the Washington Post sure did.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/934338981.html?dids=934338981:934338981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&fmac=&date=Dec+1%2C+2005&author=&desc=Cavs+Lose+at+Least+1+Assistant

Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

If it was false, why hasn't anyone sued?

You don't sue unless there has been harm caused to you.  You have to have standing to sue.  Or didn't you know that?

And why do you think what Fitz said was a lie?   Where was his lie?  That he broke the story of Prince's hiring first?   How many people follow the WP for KSU sports?

You say you don't hate, but you're calling him a liar.   I find that interesting.

Umm...a lot of KSU fans saw the Post story that night.  Fitz is a liar because he say whatever he said about "you heard it here first" when he neither "broke the news" or "scooped the story" or did anything firstvia random post or published story.  And I don't hate someone just because they lie in a television commercial.

Yeah, a "lot" of KSU fans saw the story.

 

I guess it didn't come first, then. 

[mjrod]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

I'm not a hater...I just don't think it's cool for lies to be spread.  If Clark didn't "break the story" first, the Washington Post sure did.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/934338981.html?dids=934338981:934338981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&fmac=&date=Dec+1%2C+2005&author=&desc=Cavs+Lose+at+Least+1+Assistant

Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

If it was false, why hasn't anyone sued?

You don't sue unless there has been harm caused to you.  You have to have standing to sue.  Or didn't you know that?

And why do you think what Fitz said was a lie?   Where was his lie?  That he broke the story of Prince's hiring first?   How many people follow the WP for KSU sports?

You say you don't hate, but you're calling him a liar.   I find that interesting.

Umm...a lot of KSU fans saw the Post story that night.  Fitz is a liar because he say whatever he said about "you heard it here first" when he neither "broke the news" or "scooped the story" or did anything firstvia random post or published story.  And I don't hate someone just because they lie in a television commercial.

Yeah, a "lot" of KSU fans saw the story.

 

I guess it didn't come first, then. 

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear.  Fitz was the first one to publish a story on a sports media outlet that follows KSU athletics.

And like I said, what's a "lot" of KSU fans that you know saw the article?

[michigancat]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

I'm not a hater...I just don't think it's cool for lies to be spread.  If Clark didn't "break the story" first, the Washington Post sure did.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/934338981.html?dids=934338981:934338981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&fmac=&date=Dec+1%2C+2005&author=&desc=Cavs+Lose+at+Least+1+Assistant

Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

If it was false, why hasn't anyone sued?

You don't sue unless there has been harm caused to you.  You have to have standing to sue.  Or didn't you know that?

And why do you think what Fitz said was a lie?   Where was his lie?  That he broke the story of Prince's hiring first?   How many people follow the WP for KSU sports?

You say you don't hate, but you're calling him a liar.   I find that interesting.

Umm...a lot of KSU fans saw the Post story that night.  Fitz is a liar because he say whatever he said about "you heard it here first" when he neither "broke the news" or "scooped the story" or did anything firstvia random post or published story.  And I don't hate someone just because they lie in a television commercial.

Yeah, a "lot" of KSU fans saw the story.

 

I guess it didn't come first, then. 

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear.  Fitz was the first one to publish a story on a sports media outlet that follows KSU athletics.

His commercial definitely didn't make that clear, and even that's probably debatable if you actually look at an hour-by-hour record of when stories were released.

The article was linked to at least one of the free boards, so I'm guessing a couple thousand saw it.  I'm also guessing it got linked on the Wabash board that night.  How many subscribers does Fitz have?

[mjrod]

His commercial definitely didn't make that clear, and even that's probably debatable if you actually look at an hour-by-hour record of when stories were released.

The article was linked to at least one of the free boards, so I'm guessing a couple thousand saw it.  I'm also guessing it got linked on the Wabash board that night.  How many subscribers does Fitz have?

Well, I would think that when you're talking about media outlets that follow KSU sports, the one I always think of first is the Washington Post.

I don't know how many subscribers he has.

[michigancat]

His commercial definitely didn't make that clear, and even that's probably debatable if you actually look at an hour-by-hour record of when stories were released.

The article was linked to at least one of the free boards, so I'm guessing a couple thousand saw it.  I'm also guessing it got linked on the Wabash board that night.  How many subscribers does Fitz have?

Well, I would think that when you're talking about media outlets that follow KSU sports, the one I always think of first is the Washington Post.

[ScubaSteve]

Give me a break Rusty.    There is a difference between being scooped and breaking a story first although I'm not surprised that you and some of the other Fitz haters do not understand that.   Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

 

I'm not a hater...I just don't think it's cool for lies to be spread.  If Clark didn't "break the story" first, the Washington Post sure did.

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/access/934338981.html?dids=934338981:934338981&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:FT&fmac=&date=Dec+1%2C+2005&author=&desc=Cavs+Lose+at+Least+1+Assistant

Josh Clarke's comment on Snyder being pissed was truth?   Was that scooped?

If it was false, why hasn't anyone sued?

You don't sue unless there has been harm caused to you.  You have to have standing to sue.  Or didn't you know that?

And why do you think what Fitz said was a lie?   Where was his lie?  That he broke the story of Prince's hiring first?   How many people follow the WP for KSU sports?

You say you don't hate, but you're calling him a liar.   I find that interesting.

Umm...a lot of KSU fans saw the Post story that night.  Fitz is a liar because he say whatever he said about "you heard it here first" when he neither "broke the news" or "scooped the story" or did anything firstvia random post or published story.  And I don't hate someone just because they lie in a television commercial.

Yeah, a "lot" of KSU fans saw the story.

 

I guess it didn't come first, then. 

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear.  Fitz was the first one to publish a story on a sports media outlet that follows KSU athletics.

His commercial definitely didn't make that clear, and even that's probably debatable if you actually look at an hour-by-hour record of when stories were released.

The article was linked to at least one of the free boards, so I'm guessing a couple thousand saw it.  I'm also guessing it got linked on the Wabash board that night.  How many subscribers does Fitz have?

There sure is a lot of masterbating going on in this thread.  Find yourselves some women!!

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Mj is letting his hatred for all things SeanK get in the way.

That or he has some enormous love for Fitz for some reason.

Combination of both.

KSF broke the story first. They should have probably pimped that fact more so Fitz couldn't try and steal it(among other things he's stolen).

hth

[WILDCAT NATION]

MJ, you didn't go and become an investor in PI on us did you?

This thing with the mystery transfer is just downright funny.

[ScubaSteve]

MJ, you didn't go and become an investor in PI on us did you?

This thing with the mystery transfer is just downright funny.

What's funny about it?