Brent Schaeffer or Freeman?

[michigancat]

Remember when we had a shot at Schaeffer?

Would we be better off with Schaeffer starting right away, or Freeman on the bench for a year?

[pissclams]

What does "better off" mean?

[PoetWarrior]

Short term Schaeffer.

Long term Freeman.

[michigancat]

What does "better off" mean?

Opposite of worse off.

PW, do you think Freeman as a junior will be better than Schaeffer as a junior?  If KSU sucks for two more years, will we have decent talent surrounding Golden Boy?

[PoetWarrior]

Depends on the offense.

Schaeffer is incredible and would have been a perfect match for Snyder's offense and the college game.

But Freeman as a junior I think will be the all around better quarterback and better for our current system, Schaeffer wouldn't have been quite the right fit.

Freeman will develop into as good as quarterbacks get and play in the NFL, which will be a stretch for Schaeffer.

As long as Freeman has LaMark Brown and a few others to throw to, we should be fine.

So with this offense, I choose Freeman as a junior.

[sonofdaxjones]

I only watched bits and pieces of the Ole Miss Memphis game but Schaeffer looked decent from what I saw for it being his first game at the D1 level in awhile.

[ksuno1stunner]

schaeffer - *****
freeman - ****

schaeffer would of been more effective

[kougar24]

Not in this offense.

I vote Freeman.

[ChEtah]

When you have no O-line and the plays quickly become broken plays, the running/scrambling qb has the advantage.  i.e., when the Morman from Idaho was pulled and Roberson was put in against USC in Manhattan.  I wish we had Schaeffer right now with Freeman in the bullpen...

[michigancat]

Not in this offense.

I vote Freeman.

Tailor your offense to your personnel.

[Saulbadguy]

Just how good is Brent Schaeffer? Does anyone know?

[michigancat]

Just how good is Brent Schaeffer? Does anyone know?

Good enough to start at Tennessee as a true freshman.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

I don't know, Brent looked pretty small, I don't know how tall he is, but I think his height will be a hinderance to him. 

He is fast and quick, but I don't see him being much of a passer.

Though as of right now, because of the line, his speed would be beneficial

[mjrod]

Just how good is Brent Schaeffer? Does anyone know?

Good enough to start at Tennessee as a true freshman.

What game was that?

[McGrowlTowelZac]

I remember the game, don't remember who Tenn. played.  Schaffer started, but Ainge and he traded series.  I think Schaeffer even rushed for a TD, it would have been the opener two years ago.  I am gonna guess it was against UNLV, but I am totally pulling that out my ass

[michigancat]

Well, game 1 of the 2004 season, for example:

http://utsports.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2004-2005/ut01.html

 Participation Report (Final)
                           2004 Tennessee Volunteers
            UNLV vs Tennessee (Sep 05, 2004 at Knoxville, Tennessee)


UNLV                                           Tennessee

POS  ## OFFENSE                                POS  ## OFFENSE
WR   4  Earvin Johnson                         TE   87 Justin Reed
WR   17 Terry Furlow                           LT   77 Michael Munoz
LT   70 Marco Guerra                           LG   52 Rob Smith
LG   56 Joe Critchfield                        C    63 Jason Respert
C    76 Marcus Johnson                         RG   70 Cody Douglas
RG   68 Zach Gorham                            RT   76 Arron Sears
RT   77 Chris Bowser                           QB   7  Brent Schaeffer
TE   87 Michael Freund                         TB   21 Cedric Houston
QB   7  kurt Nantkes                           FB   45 Cory Anderson
TB   10 D. Dorsey                              WR   81 Tony Brown
FB   24 Alvin Marshall                         WR   13 Chris Hannon

POS  ## DEFENSE                                POS  ## DEFENSE
DE   92 Brian Nicholson                        LE   98 Parys Haralson
DT   94 Howie Fuimaono                         LT   55 Jesse Mahelona
DE   98 Leon Moore                             RT   92 Justin Harrell
OLB  32 Reggie Butler                          RE   46 Karlton Neal
ILB  58 Terrence Young                         SLB  35 Jason Mitchell
ILB  49 Ryan Claridge                          MLB  5  Kevin Simon
OLB  52 John Andrews                           WLB  2  Kevin Burnett
CB   3  R. Dodd-Masters                        LCB  36 Roshaun Fellows
SS   27 Jamaal Brimmer                         RCB  18 Jason Allen
FS   45 Joe Miklos                             FS   26 Corey Campbell
CB   14 Ernest Gordon                          SS   38 Brandon Johnson

[michigancat]

Participation Report (Final)
                            The Automated ScoreBook
          Florida vs Tennessee (Sep 18, 2004 at Knoxville, Tennessee)


Florida                                        Tennessee

POS  ## OFFENSE                                POS  ## OFFENSE
WR   81 Dallas Baker                           TE   87 Justin Reed
WR   5  Andre Caldwell                         LT   77 Michael Munoz
WR   6  J. Cornelius                           LG   52 Rob Smith
LT   78 Jonathan Colon                         C    63 Jason Respert
LG   72 Lance Butler                           RG   70 Cody Douglas
C    68 Mike Degory                            RT   76 Arron Sears
RG   61 Mo Mitchell                            WR   1  Jayson Swain
RT   74 Randy Hand                             WR   13 Chris Hannon
TE   88 David Kenner                           WR   81 Tony Brown
QB   12 Chris Leak                            QB   7  Brent Schaeffer
FB   42 Billy Latsko                           TB   21 Cedric Houston

[McGrowlTowelZac]

i was right! what a memory, who woulda thought all that weed wouldnt kill that many brain cells after all

[mjrod]

OK, now I remember.  Ainge beat him out for the starting job and Schaeffer transferred.

[michigancat]

OK, now I remember.  Ainge beat him out for the starting job and Schaeffer transferred.

The point remains.  Schaeffer could start at freaking Tennessee on day one and Freeman can't beat out Dylan Meier.

[kougar24]

Rusty, you need to make up your mind about Freeman. You are confusing me. 

[michigancat]

Rusty, you need to make up your mind about Freeman. You are confusing me. 

Freeman is the best choice when compared to Meier (by far).

Schaeffer would be the best choice compared to Freeman (by a little).

[mjrod]

OK, now I remember.  Ainge beat him out for the starting job and Schaeffer transferred.

The point remains.  Schaeffer could start at freaking Tennessee on day one and Freeman can't beat out Dylan Meier.

If I remember correctly, there was a big controversy about Ainge and Schaeffer got the position because Ainge wasn't doing well.  Ainge then came out and did well.  You know, he might have started at Tennessee, but when he lost his job, he transferred.   Head case he became.

KSU wanted him, but the rumor was, Schaeffer's parents told Snyder that in order to come to KSU, he should receive some amenities.  Some had even said he wanted to be paid in cash.   Whatever it was, Snyder stopped recruiting him after his visit.   Schaeffer went to Tennessee, started and lost his position, then transferred when it was clear, he wasn't going to start.

You can look at this any way you want to, but the bottom line is, that Schaeffer's talent would have done well here, had his head been on straight.  It's clear that 4 star kid out of high school with visions playing in big time college football got to his head.  I'm not sure that Prince would have taken him either.

[michigancat]

OK, now I remember.  Ainge beat him out for the starting job and Schaeffer transferred.

The point remains.  Schaeffer could start at freaking Tennessee on day one and Freeman can't beat out Dylan Meier.

If I remember correctly, there was a big controversy about Ainge and Schaeffer got the position because Ainge wasn't doing well.  Ainge then came out and did well.  You know, he might have started at Tennessee, but when he lost his job, he transferred.   Head case he became.

KSU wanted him, but the rumor was, Schaeffer's parents told Snyder that in order to come to KSU, he should receive some amenities.  Some had even said he wanted to be paid in cash.   Whatever it was, Snyder stopped recruiting him after his visit.   Schaeffer went to Tennessee, started and lost his position, then transferred when it was clear, he wasn't going to start.

You can look at this any way you want to, but the bottom line is, that Schaeffer's talent would have done well here, had his head been on straight.  It's clear that 4 star kid out of high school with visions playing in big time college football got to his head.  I'm not sure that Prince would have taken him either.

MCMW

[kougar24]

Rusty, you need to make up your mind about Freeman. You are confusing me. 

Freeman is the best choice when compared to Meier (by far).

Schaeffer would be the best choice compared to Freeman (by a little).

Okay thanks. 

[plaincat]

If we're playing these games...

Schaeffer would have never seen the field because IMHO Vince Young was better.

[greasd up deaf guy]

Bump. I'll take Freeman.

[steve dave]

I'll also take Freems over anybody in his QB class...yeah I said it.

[pissclams]

Kougs just killing (k)Rusty in this thread

[PoetWarrior]

As long as Freeman has LaMark Brown and a few others to throw to, we should be fine.

I am an amazing genius.