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September 05, 2006, 11:29:43 AM
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This is the number that is unexcusable IMO.  And while the O-line was subpar at best, a much more collective effort contributed to that number from the play of the RBs to the scheme to an obviously brand new coordinator/head coach running things. 

I mentioned a couple weeks ago that we should expect growing pains in the running game in going from a power/man blocking scheme where we pulled OL often and used the FB and TE to get numbers advantages to a nearly pure zone running scheme which not only puts more pressure on the Oline, but on the RBs as well.  On top of that we didn't try to change formations, shift, or motion, especially in the 1st half.  So to go along with a dramatic change in scheme, we went in with a very vanilla game plan and when that blew up in our faces we essentually showed no answer.  Again, keep in mind the change in scheme is pretty dramatic, not only for the Oline, but the RBs as well.  We ran a couple plays where we pulled people to try to get numbers, but the stretch zone was our most frequent run and it gained us very little.  Of course, Alsup running that play doens't help, he's simply not a RB equipped to play in a zone scheme, especially after 2 knee surgerys.  I think Patton and Johnson could be decent backs in the scheme and we'll have to see how Clayton does.  Whoever steps up must be much more decisive and show much more explosiveness in picking a seam and getting through to the 2nd level. 

I'm not sure what is more disappointing, the fact that we came out and couldn't muster any running game with our base package against a 1-AA team or that we never showed the ability to adjust and take advantage of what ISU was doing to get any running game going in the 2nd half.  ISU had a nice 1-AA defense, but there was no excuse for not averaging 5+ per carry and approaching 200 on the ground.  IMO, any success this season (and "success" IMO will probably look like 6-6 or 7-5) will be predicated on this team establishing some sort of running game to open up the passing game.  I think the lack of success in establishing any running game, plus Meier showing no ability to stretch the field (the first throw should've been thrown 10 yards over the WRs head IMO just to say "we will go vertical" to ISU) contributed to the breakdowns in our pass protection and allowed ISU to send the house often. 

September 05, 2006, 11:38:09 AM
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Excellent. 

Thoughts on the defense?

September 05, 2006, 12:06:41 PM
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Considering the offense did little to help (ISU had nearly 10 more minutes TOP), I wasn't as concerned with the defense.  That isn't to say there aren't concerns, but to me it looks like we at least have some playmakers and much more speed on that side of the ball compared to the past 2 years.  I will say I do have concerns with the scheme, mainly that there seemed to be quite a few open zones in our cover 2 scheme and that the MLB has a lot on his shoulders in both being a run player AND having deep middle vs pass.  Plus, though we looked okay in our man at times, getting beat like we did over the top (no reason for the DB to look in the backfield in that situation which he did) to start the 2nd half was unexcusable.  Finally as has been stated we must bea team that makes 3rd down stops.  I think its legit to say that most of our defensive miscues can be fixed by looking at film and getting acclimated to a new scheme. 

I hope that is true on offense, but the offense has a lot farther to go, though the learning curve in adapting to the new offensive scheme is much greater IMO than on defense.

September 05, 2006, 12:28:28 PM
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From what I've seen:

Defense:  Almost all correctable errors.   I guess the questions is ... can the people responsible for correcting this stuff make the corrections.  The only real concern is CB play.   All-in-all though, there's plenty of meat on this steak to work with.

Offense:  I don't know ... there's just so much that needs to be improved, we'll see I guess.

Special Teams:  Extremely good.


September 05, 2006, 12:38:56 PM
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Wish they wouldn't ditch the power run-game.


September 05, 2006, 12:43:12 PM
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September 05, 2006, 12:47:56 PM
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I kept waiting on the Option plays to come out..

They should hire Snyder as an Offensive advisor.   I could see several instances where we could have established a running game with an option.

September 05, 2006, 12:53:43 PM
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We pulled a OG occasionally, but don't look for much power.  Its harder to do without any legit FBs on the roster.  The staff has a plan to have on offense like the Colts, we'll have to see if they can get the personnel bought in and up to task this season.  We are what we are, hopefully getting Clayton back plus Patton and Johnson more acclimated will help.  All 3 should be better backs in a nearly pure zone scheme.  We'll see.

September 05, 2006, 01:04:07 PM
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This is the number that is unexcusable IMO.  And while the O-line was subpar at best, a much more collective effort contributed to that number from the play of the RBs to the scheme to an obviously brand new coordinator/head coach running things. 

I mentioned a couple weeks ago that we should expect growing pains in the running game in going from a power/man blocking scheme where we pulled OL often and used the FB and TE to get numbers advantages to a nearly pure zone running scheme which not only puts more pressure on the Oline, but on the RBs as well.  On top of that we didn't try to change formations, shift, or motion, especially in the 1st half.  So to go along with a dramatic change in scheme, we went in with a very vanilla game plan and when that blew up in our faces we essentually showed no answer.  Again, keep in mind the change in scheme is pretty dramatic, not only for the Oline, but the RBs as well.  We ran a couple plays where we pulled people to try to get numbers, but the stretch zone was our most frequent run and it gained us very little.  Of course, Alsup running that play doens't help, he's simply not a RB equipped to play in a zone scheme, especially after 2 knee surgerys.  I think Patton and Johnson could be decent backs in the scheme and we'll have to see how Clayton does.  Whoever steps up must be much more decisive and show much more explosiveness in picking a seam and getting through to the 2nd level. 

I'm not sure what is more disappointing, the fact that we came out and couldn't muster any running game with our base package against a 1-AA team or that we never showed the ability to adjust and take advantage of what ISU was doing to get any running game going in the 2nd half.  ISU had a nice 1-AA defense, but there was no excuse for not averaging 5+ per carry and approaching 200 on the ground.  IMO, any success this season (and "success" IMO will probably look like 6-6 or 7-5) will be predicated on this team establishing some sort of running game to open up the passing game.  I think the lack of success in establishing any running game, plus Meier showing no ability to stretch the field (the first throw should've been thrown 10 yards over the WRs head IMO just to say "we will go vertical" to ISU) contributed to the breakdowns in our pass protection and allowed ISU to send the house often. 


  We can still create some offense by pass blocking a little better.(d.meyer,stringer)
Can't wait for next game.

September 05, 2006, 01:13:10 PM
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Umm...Getting Meier in the Shotgun might be a good idea too.
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September 05, 2006, 01:13:50 PM
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The special teams is what I'm hanging my hat on. That's the one thing we've been working on a ton and that's what we looked really good at. That at least tells me the coaches can coach and the players can learn. The next two weeks will tell us more. Hard to take a lot from this week although plenty of people are.

September 05, 2006, 01:14:42 PM
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Anyone else remember the "I don't want to get worse to get better" comments from Prince back in December or January?

September 05, 2006, 01:21:43 PM
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Anyone have any theories on why Dylan was not once in the shotgun despite the crapty line play?

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September 05, 2006, 01:23:15 PM
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Anyone have any theories on why Dylan was not once in the shotgun despite the @#%$ty line play?



Our quarterbacks don't play scared, they play smart.  Shotgun is a sign of fear.

September 05, 2006, 01:28:42 PM
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Swing passes out of a shotgun, slip screens, quick throws to trips.  These are plays we need to institute to get the ball out fast and save dylans ass.  It is clear that he doesn't make the reads/doesn't have the physical skills to make plays on outs, passes over the middle now.  I am going to be slightly optimistic and say it might be mental, maybe he still is hesitant about the shoulder, but we need to put the &@#%ing kid gloves on.  Our D/ST is holding up there end, so lets stop hemorraging the ball, play field position and play the percentages.  Oh God I am so depressed.
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September 05, 2006, 01:37:15 PM
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Anyone have any theories on why Dylan was not once in the shotgun despite the @#%$ty line play?



He had enough time to throw.

September 05, 2006, 01:39:36 PM
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Somone ask Prince on his coach's show why the OLINE isn't CUTBLOCKING  Please ,thankyou.

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September 05, 2006, 01:47:07 PM
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I don't remember the source, but I think part of the plan was to not put the QB in shotgun.

Points about playcalling are correct, a screen or draw against ISU's defense probably would've worked well; though when you can't run the ball at all, its hard to run anything.  We did try to mix things up by formation and with some shifts and motions in the 2nd half, but I think the tone had already been set and we simply never recovered from such a horrid start to the game offensively.

September 05, 2006, 10:35:38 PM
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Anyone have any theories on why Dylan was not once in the shotgun despite the @#%$ty line play?

Prince is trying to trying to kill him so he'll have an excuse to play Freeman.  It's all part of the same plot that involved running Lopina, Evridge, & Webb out of town. 
Ladies & gentlemen, I present: The Problem

September 05, 2006, 10:55:35 PM
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Anyone have any theories on why Dylan was not once in the shotgun despite the @#%$ty line play?

Prince is trying to trying to kill him so he'll have an excuse to play Freeman. It's all part of the same plot that involved running Lopina, Evridge, & Webb out of town.

I find this to be more plausible than 99% of the Prince/QB situation related theories out there.


September 06, 2006, 08:23:59 AM
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It sounds feasible to me.

"It's hard to win a game".

When I heard we were going to this type of offense, I had hoped for something similar to USC.  Power Running game with vertical routes and some dinks and dunks.