ku's Rivera playing in his 5th season without ever redshirting.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Something funny is going on here.

From Rivera's bio on ku's sports site:

First this:

2004 (RS): Redshirted... Practiced with the scout team defense... Chosen by the coaching staff as the defensive scout team player of the week vs. Iowa State.

Hmmmm.. He redshirted?  You can't do that and have a recorded stat in a game unless you are granted a medical hardship.

Defense   G   UT   AT   Total
2007       13  39   57   96
2006       12  66   24   90
2005       12  11   9     20
2004     1  1    0      1
Totals 38 117 90 207 18-71 4.5-32 1-3 12 3 2-0

Notice the stat in 2004? That's from a game against Toledo in which he played.  There is a blurb at the end of this article stating such:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/

Freshman linebacker Mike Rivera saw his first collegiate defensive action late in the game.

There is also a reference to Rivera getting time on special teams in 2004 and a mention of hurting his back and the possibility of a medical hardship:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/

The scout-team players expected to step right in include linebacker Mike Rivera, who saw time on special teams during ku's non-conference slate before hurting his back. ku will petition to have this season count as a red-shirt year for Rivera, so the Shawnee native might be a freshman again.

I thought that a medical hardship could only be granted after a player's eligibility is exhausted?  If there is some way he had a hardship granted, why then is there no mention of a medical hardship actually being granted anywhere? 

Now it gets interesting.  Here's another article discussing the practice of redshirting by Mangino.  It refers to Rivera as a traditional redshirt and no mention of a medical hardship:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/

"That red-shirt year, if you can do it, it's great," Mangino said. "We'll really benefit here in the long run from having red-shirted most of the class."

Kansas had similar luck in keeping true freshmen off the field last year, playing only Marcus Henry, Kyle Tucker, Todd Haselhorst and James McClinton. That allowed up-and-comers like Mike Rivera, Marcus Herford and Aqib Talib to bulk up and get more comfortable with Division I-A football.

What am I missing here? Is the ku compliance office hard at work again?  Is the coach who cheated on his ethics test trying to pull a fast one? 

[k-state-wildcats11]

I think you have to play in a certain percentage of the games and he probably did not exceed that so he could redshirt that season. might be wrong though.

[MOKSUAZ]

so X. Stewart is still a freshman?!?!?! 

[DoDRepeat]

Good research. I think that they can grant you a medical hardship year before you exhaust your time. You can't play in more than 20% of your team's games.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

You can't play in more 20% of your team's games.

That's to get a medical.  There is no way he would be able to get a non-medical redshirt (hardship) if he even played one single snap.  Which he did play.  Thus the confusion on my part. 

[j@yh@wks]

Something funny is going on here.

From Rivera's bio on ku's sports site:

First this:

2004 (RS): Redshirted... Practiced with the scout team defense... Chosen by the coaching staff as the defensive scout team player of the week vs. Iowa State.

Hmmmm.. He redshirted?  You can't do that and have a recorded stat in a game unless you are granted a medical hardship.

Defense   G   UT   AT   Total
2007       13  39   57   96
2006       12  66   24   90
2005       12  11   9     20
2004     1  1    0      1
Totals 38 117 90 207 18-71 4.5-32 1-3 12 3 2-0

Notice the stat in 2004? That's from a game against Toledo in which he played.  There is a blurb at the end of this article stating such:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/

Freshman linebacker Mike Rivera saw his first collegiate defensive action late in the game.

There is also a reference to Rivera getting time on special teams in 2004 and a mention of hurting his back and the possibility of a medical hardship:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/

The scout-team players expected to step right in include linebacker Mike Rivera, who saw time on special teams during ku's non-conference slate before hurting his back. ku will petition to have this season count as a red-shirt year for Rivera, so the Shawnee native might be a freshman again.

I thought that a medical hardship could only be granted after a player's eligibility is exhausted?  If there is some way he had a hardship granted, why then is there no mention of a medical hardship actually being granted anywhere? 

Now it gets interesting.  Here's another article discussing the practice of redshirting by Mangino.  It refers to Rivera as a traditional redshirt and no mention of a medical hardship:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/

"That red-shirt year, if you can do it, it's great," Mangino said. "We'll really benefit here in the long run from having red-shirted most of the class."

Kansas had similar luck in keeping true freshmen off the field last year, playing only Marcus Henry, Kyle Tucker, Todd Haselhorst and James McClinton. That allowed up-and-comers like Mike Rivera, Marcus Herford and Aqib Talib to bulk up and get more comfortable with Division I-A football.

What am I missing here? Is the ku compliance office hard at work again?  Is the coach who cheated on his ethics test trying to pull a fast one? 

bored today?

[EliteHawk]

'Lap's doing his best impression of an ignorant Mizzou fan. 

[pissclams]

ku's who?

[MOKSUAZ]

'Lap's doing his best impression of an ignorant Mizzou fan. 

As you continue to do a bang up job of being an ignorant uk fan. 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

https://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/NCAA/Legislation+and+Governance/Eligibility+and+Recruiting/Faqs/eligibility_seasons.html?pageDesign=Printer+Friendly+General+Content+Layout

NCAA's redshirt definition:

The term "redshirt" is used to describe a student-athlete who does not participate in competition in a sport for an entire academic year. If you do not compete in a sport the entire academic year, you have not used a season of competition. For example, if you are a qualifier, and you attend a four-year college your freshman year, and you practice but do not compete against outside competition, you would still have the next four years to play four seasons of competition.

Each student is allowed no more than four seasons of competition per sport. If you were not a qualifier, you may have fewer seasons of competition available to you. You should know that NCAA rules indicate that any competition, regardless of time, during a season counts as one of your seasons of competition in that sport. It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.

So, this leaves us at: Did Rivera get a medical hardship?  If not, you've got a BIG problem.  

[EliteHawk]

'Lap's doing his best impression of an ignorant Mizzou fan. 

As you continue to do a bang up job of being an ignorant uk fan. 

Please feel free to enlighten me on my ignorance.  Rivera's a redshirt-senior.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Please feel free to enlighten me on my ignorance.  Rivera's a redshirt-junior.

When did he redshirt?

[EliteHawk]

He redshirted his freshman year.  You can play a certain number of snaps and still redshirt.

[sonofdaxjones]

President Validator of kutztown@lawrence is always here to clarify and overreact.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

He redshirted his freshman year.  You can play a certain number of snaps and still redshirt.

No, you can't.  See the NCAA website I linked above:

It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.

[sonofdaxjones]

Thus the term "burn a redshirt". 

[EliteHawk]

He redshirted his freshman year.  You can play a certain number of snaps and still redshirt.

No, you can't.  See the NCAA website I linked above:

It does not matter how long you were involved in a particular competition (for example, one play in a football game, one point in a volleyball match); you will be charged with one season of competition.

Yes, you can. 


"In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year."

[sonofdaxjones]

What are those cases President Validator of kutztown@lawrence?? 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Is it a smart practice for an institution currently on probation for LOIC to be allowing players to participate in 5 years of competition?

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

"In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year."

Other cases.  This is the hardship rule.  As far as I can tell, this was not the case.

The ku website says he redshirted in 2004.  There was no mention of hardship, medical or otherwise. 

[Legore]

I'm sure he had an injury early in the season and took a medical.  This is easy to do if you get hurt early and still have a redshirt to use the conference will allow you to use your redshirt.  People often confuse this within getting a 6 year which is a totally different deal though the NCAA and is much harder to have granted.  

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm sure he had an injury early in the season and took a medical.  This is easy to do if you get hurt early and still have a redshirt to use the conference will allow you to use your redshirt.  People often confuse this within getting a 6 year which is a totally different deal though the NCAA and is much harder to have granted.  

Link?

I think Mangino is trying to pull one over on the NCAA.  There was no injury. He practiced with the scout team the rest of the year and was honored as a member of the scout team late in the season. 

[jscatfan]

dont you people have jobs?

[EliteHawk]

"In other cases, a player may be granted a redshirt if he or she has participated in less than 10% of the season taking place in an academic year."

Other cases.  This is the hardship rule.  As far as I can tell, this was not the case.

The ku website says he redshirted in 2004.  There was no mention of hardship, medical or otherwise. 

"The scout-team players expected to step right in include linebacker Mike Rivera, who saw time on special teams during ku's non-conference slate before hurting his back. ku will petition to have this season count as a red-shirt year for Rivera, so the Shawnee native might be a freshman again."


It's right there in your initial post.  Quit being such a whiny little bitch.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Ok.  You have a news story or something, anything that states he was granted a red-shirt year after playing on both special teams and defense in at least one game, maybe more?

 

[sonofdaxjones]

President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence gets so angry.

Where did ku announce that the NCAA approved the petition for Redshirt President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence?

[phogdog]

Something funny is going on here.

From Rivera's bio on ku's sports site:

First this:

2004 (RS): Redshirted... Practiced with the scout team defense... Chosen by the coaching staff as the defensive scout team player of the week vs. Iowa State.

Hmmmm.. He redshirted?  You can't do that and have a recorded stat in a game unless you are granted a medical hardship.

Defense   G   UT   AT   Total
2007       13  39   57   96
2006       12  66   24   90
2005       12  11   9     20
2004     1  1    0      1
Totals 38 117 90 207 18-71 4.5-32 1-3 12 3 2-0

Notice the stat in 2004? That's from a game against Toledo in which he played.  There is a blurb at the end of this article stating such:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/sep/11/ku_trounces_toledo/

Freshman linebacker Mike Rivera saw his first collegiate defensive action late in the game.

There is also a reference to Rivera getting time on special teams in 2004 and a mention of hurting his back and the possibility of a medical hardship:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2004/nov/23/mangino_optimistic_about/

The scout-team players expected to step right in include linebacker Mike Rivera, who saw time on special teams during ku's non-conference slate before hurting his back. ku will petition to have this season count as a red-shirt year for Rivera, so the Shawnee native might be a freshman again.

I thought that a medical hardship could only be granted after a player's eligibility is exhausted?  If there is some way he had a hardship granted, why then is there no mention of a medical hardship actually being granted anywhere? 

Now it gets interesting.  Here's another article discussing the practice of redshirting by Mangino.  It refers to Rivera as a traditional redshirt and no mention of a medical hardship:

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2005/nov/15/kus_mangino_tickled_keep_rookies_red/

"That red-shirt year, if you can do it, it's great," Mangino said. "We'll really benefit here in the long run from having red-shirted most of the class."

Kansas had similar luck in keeping true freshmen off the field last year, playing only Marcus Henry, Kyle Tucker, Todd Haselhorst and James McClinton. That allowed up-and-comers like Mike Rivera, Marcus Herford and Aqib Talib to bulk up and get more comfortable with Division I-A football.

What am I missing here? Is the ku compliance office hard at work again?  Is the coach who cheated on his ethics test trying to pull a fast one? 

You're not missing anything.  Everyone else missed it.  You need to take your info to all the major networks and see if you can be interviewed to expose "mangino/redshirt/medicalhardshipgate.
I expect to see you on Fox tonight
GOOD WORK

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

There are a lot of smartass replies by ku fans, but nothing so far from anywhere that states Rivera was granted any kind of red-shirt or hardship of any kind. 

Still waiting...

[EliteHawk]

President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence gets so angry.

Where did ku announce that the NCAA approved the petition for Redshirt President Validator of JCCC-Lawrence?

You think that ku's required to publically announce an NCAA approved petition for a medical hardship waiver?  LOL!

[EliteHawk]

There are a lot of smartass replies by ku fans, but nothing so far from anywhere that states Rivera was granted any kind of red-shirt or hardship of any kind. 

Still waiting...

I'm completely SHOCKED that a random K-State fan such as yourself wasn't informed at the exact moment when Rivera's medical hardship waiver was approved by the NCAA.  Pretty sure he was suited up last Saturday for the crimson and blue, though.