Just spent couple of hours F-ing with Vista. Die Bill Gates & Ballmer

[opcat]

printers don't work on this suck a**  operating system.

Printer companies worst than Bin Laden.  Lets not forget how they screw with the price of ink and  that they want their hardware to get obsolete fast to force people to upgrade all the time. $$$  It's the big screwjob by Microsoft and hardware companies.  Bad for the quarter if people stick with older windows that worked.  Thats why they hate linux.

Old HP printer worked though!  Lexmark = evil.

Vista blows.

Linux here we come!   Lexmark works on it!

[dr00d]

printers don't work on this suck a**  operating system.

Printer companies worst than Bin Laden. 

Old HP printer worked though!  Lexmark = evil.

Vista blows.

Your right, it is Vista's fault that your crapty lexmark doesn't work.

[WildCatzPhreak]

He's right though.  Vista sucks.  It doesn't work with a lot of video cards, a lot of printers, it sucks up a metric asston of resources.  The only part of it that's cool is the new networking features..which are available for XP if you download SP3.

Don't bother with Vista.

[dr00d]

I'm the last one that is going to tout Vista as better than XP.  I still use XP on all my computers.

However, I do believe it is unfair to judge an OS because you have problem with a printer, a video card, or any other additional piece of hardware.  It is the responsibility of the hardware manufacturer to make sure their crap works with the OS. 

Unfortunately, the billion different combinations of hardware out there make this very difficult.  Think about this for a second... Could you go out and by any tire on your car/truck?  Sure you could! Would it function correctly? no.   It isn't the best example obviously, but I'm really not going to spend 10 minutes writing out the entire argument.

All I am going to say is this.  Any piece of hardware uses a subset of different files.  If you install something else that shares one of these component A, it will overwrite this same component A that is used for this other piece of hardware.  Thus causing a component mismatch and failure of the old piece of hardware the previously worked fine.  In this case, it sounds like whatever Lexmark you are using is not natively supported (no surprise since printer drivers change everyday) and the install process for them are a huge pain in the ass since you have to install the garbage to your particular usb slot you are plugged into.

Anyways, just say whatever you want. 

[pissclams]

windows xp pro     


trust me, it's the best

[pissclams]

I'm the last one that is going to tout Vista as better than XP.  I still use XP on all my computers.

However, I do believe it is unfair to judge an OS because you have problem with a printer, a video card, or any other additional piece of hardware.  It is the responsibility of the hardware manufacturer to make sure their crap works with the OS. 

Unfortunately, the billion different combinations of hardware out there make this very difficult.  Think about this for a second... Could you go out and by any tire on your car/truck?  Sure you could! Would it function correctly? no.   It isn't the best example obviously, but I'm really not going to spend 10 minutes writing out the entire argument.

All I am going to say is this.  Any piece of hardware uses a subset of different files.  If you install something else that shares one of these component A, it will overwrite this same component A that is used for this other piece of hardware.  Thus causing a component mismatch and failure of the old piece of hardware the previously worked fine.  In this case, it sounds like whatever Lexmark you are using is not natively supported (no surprise since printer drivers change everyday) and the install process for them are a huge pain in the ass since you have to install the garbage to your particular usb slot you are plugged into.

Anyways, just say whatever you want. 

it's the operating system's job to be most flexible... you know?

[opcat]

I'm the last one that is going to tout Vista as better than XP.  I still use XP on all my computers.

However, I do believe it is unfair to judge an OS because you have problem with a printer, a video card, or any other additional piece of hardware.  It is the responsibility of the hardware manufacturer to make sure their crap works with the OS. 

Unfortunately, the billion different combinations of hardware out there make this very difficult.  Think about this for a second... Could you go out and by any tire on your car/truck?  Sure you could! Would it function correctly? no.   It isn't the best example obviously, but I'm really not going to spend 10 minutes writing out the entire argument.

All I am going to say is this.  Any piece of hardware uses a subset of different files.  If you install something else that shares one of these component A, it will overwrite this same component A that is used for this other piece of hardware.  Thus causing a component mismatch and failure of the old piece of hardware the previously worked fine.  In this case, it sounds like whatever Lexmark you are using is not natively supported (no surprise since printer drivers change everyday) and the install process for them are a huge pain in the ass since you have to install the garbage to your particular usb slot you are plugged into.

Anyways, just say whatever you want. 

Your analogy is way off.  Imagine only ONE car maker and that they totally changed all the standards for equipment on their cars because  Steve Jobs ferrari's  are making all the headlines and are more beautiful(gui).   XP was solid!   

[Saulbadguy]

Printer companies worst than Bin Laden. 

[Saulbadguy]

Couple of things -

1. Printers have to jack up ink cartridge prices, otherwise no one would buy printers because the cost would be too high.  Buy a laser printer and STFU, cost per page is quite cheap in comparison.

2. I haven't had problems getting any of my printers at work or at home w/ Vista.  When Vista was released the third party driver support wasn't up to par, but that has happened w/ every OS that I can remember.  Unfortunately Vista was much tougher to write drivers for because they don't let drivers talk directly to the hardware anymore, and Microsoft kept changing how the drivers functioned up until release, making it very difficult for third parties to get their crap together and complete the drivers.

3. Overall there is no compelling reason to upgrade to Vista, other than the "cool" feature.  Perfomance is up to par now with SP1, and by up to par I mean nearly as fast as XP in all categories, but of course legacy application compatibility is still an issue.  I run Vista at home because I like to be on the cutting edge of things, and I got my Vista MCTS cert, and I am a huge Microsoft (software) homer, but I honestly don't see the value in Vista.

[WildCatzPhreak]

I got my Vista MCTS cert

Really?

...Really?

[Saulbadguy]

I got my Vista MCTS cert

Really?

...Really?

Work paid for.

[WildCatzPhreak]

I got my Vista MCTS cert

Really?

...Really?

Work paid for.

In that case, 

I was trying to figure out what advantage there really is to having something like that.  Very few businesses I know actually use Vista, and if you know your way around XP it's pretty easy to find your way around Vista.

I'm preparing for the SQL Server 2008 MCTS 

[Saulbadguy]

I got my Vista MCTS cert

Really?

...Really?

Work paid for.

In that case, 

I was trying to figure out what advantage there really is to having something like that.  Very few businesses I know actually use Vista, and if you know your way around XP it's pretty easy to find your way around Vista.

I'm preparing for the SQL Server 2008 MCTS 

Doesn't hurt to have them. Our company likes to be on the "cutting edge" of things (we were one of the first in our govt. to roll out Office 2k7, moving towards 64 bit platforms, Exchange 07, already have a 2k8 DC) but we are reluctant about Vista.  The only thing that hurts is the legacy application compatibility.  It is starting to get more difficult to find XP drivers for OEM machines we buy, specifically XP.  We can get everything to work but sometimes it is a PITA.  We are going to revisit Vista this winter, and decide whether we will stick w/ it or wait it out until Windows 7.  I don't think that will have any effect on legacy app compatibility but hey, what do I know.  I recommend we load Vista and support Windows XP Virtual Machines, but they go  when I mention "Virtual Machine" - even though we are running VM ware ESX for servers.

[WildCatzPhreak]

Interesting.  Our company is terrified of change.  (Just started installing Server2k3 on production environments last year.)

Have you played with the 2k8 DC yet?  How different is it from 03(aside from looking a lot like Vista)?  Any big active directory changes?

[Saulbadguy]

Interesting.  Our company is terrified of change.  (Just started installing Server2k3 on production environments last year.)

Have you played with the 2k8 DC yet?  How different is it from 03(aside from looking a lot like Vista)?  Any big active directory changes?

Honestly never used 2k3 much, i'm not on the server side of things.  They do have a 2k8 "core" version which is almost complete command line.

[opcat]

Saul and other microsoft people are slowing progress for a real os like linux.

Why so much for MS? Forget that you were trained on it.   Which is better?

[Saulbadguy]

Saul and other microsoft people are slowing progress for a real os like linux.

Why so much for MS? Forget that you were trained on it.   Which is better?

Neither is "better". Most prefer Windows because it was what they were brought up on and are familiar with.  This is why I don't think Linux will ever become a viable option for a desktop OS in the office because end users are too familiar with Windows to ever get trained on anything else.

As for all the bashing of Windows, each and every Linux distro has problems of it's own, but with the limited user base and lack of QA, they are able to push out new versions and fixes more rapidly than Microsoft.

But, as the MS homer, I will say if you want an out of box experience that for the most part, just works with your applications and hardware, Windows XP is the superior choice over any Linux distribution.

[ew2x4]

Linux will never become mainstream, unless they layer over the command line to make everything much easier.

And then you have OS X or XP.

[pwrcat1]

Vista sucks.

[Saulbadguy]

Vista sucks.

Excellent analysis.

[hemmy]

Obviously you guys are inducing large amounts of user error, because Vista works fine.

It isn't up to Microsoft to have a driver in Windows for every external device on earth.

If you want and operating system that you can only use what they tell you go buy a Mac.

He's right though.  Vista sucks.  It doesn't work with a lot of video cards, a lot of printers, it sucks up a metric asston of resources.  The only part of it that's cool is the new networking features..which are available for XP if you download SP3.

Don't bother with Vista.

Again, bullcrap.  It uses a lot of resources, because of its SuperFetch system, which actually makes use of the memory you have, to increase the speed at which applications can run, unlike XP where it sits unused.

Also, any almost any video card in the last 6-7 years works and has drivers for Vista, and those which don't you can modify driver .INF files to let them be supported.  But if you are using a Geforce 3 or Radeon 8x00 why would you even put Vista on a computer that old?

Every incompatibility it DOES have is 100% on the Manufacturer of that product, not at all the OS's fault.

[pwrcat1]

Vista sucks.

[hemmy]

Also, those who say it is slower than XP either don't know what they're doing, or have a slow ass computer.

The only piece of Vista measurably slower compared to XP is USB file transfer, as well as transferring between drives and partitions.

I guess if you actually believe those retardedly inaccurate Apple Commercials, then there are tons of things wrong with it, but they simply aren't true.  Hell, at recent security expos Vista has been found MORE secure than MAC.

Also, as far as compatibility goes, Vista has 10x more vendor support than any distribution of Linux.

[opcat]

Microsoft should FORCE printer makers to release specs on their hardware so programmers could write their own drivers.

Stupid. 

They shouldn't have to REWRITE EVERYTHING every time Microsoft wants to make a stinking tweak.

Write the god damn in java.  Don't ask me how.  God I HATE MICROSOFT and the hardware companies who don't release info on their hardware.   

All of our hardware we buy = Worthless useless s***  every os upgrade.

[RonLongshaft]

i saw Vista and automatically though Vista burger mmmmmmmm my bad

[jeffy]

Microsoft should FORCE printer makers to release specs on their hardware so programmers could write their own drivers.

Stupid. 

They shouldn't have to REWRITE EVERYTHING every time Microsoft wants to make a stinking tweak.

Write the god damn in java.  Don't ask me how.  God I HATE MICROSOFT and the hardware companies who don't release info on their hardware.   

Printer companies should FORCE Microsoft to become open source.

[ew2x4]

Microsoft should FORCE printer makers to release specs on their hardware so programmers could write their own drivers.

Stupid. 

They shouldn't have to REWRITE EVERYTHING every time Microsoft wants to make a stinking tweak.

Write the god damn in java.  Don't ask me how.  God I HATE MICROSOFT and the hardware companies who don't release info on their hardware.   

Printer companies should FORCE Microsoft to become open source.

If MS or even Apple made open source OS's, then NOTHING would be safe on our computers.

[pwrcat1]

Vista sucks.

[ew2x4]

Vista sucks.

Quit posting that you're a cry baby who can't even use a computer. Here's an idea, get a printer that's not from 1998.

[pwrcat1]

Vista sucks.

Quit posting that you're a cry baby who can't even use a computer. Here's an idea, get a printer that's not from 1998.

Vista sucks...  You are so dadgum cute though!