Revised Big XII predictions

[Dan Rydell]

With only two weeks to go before the season begins, and with all the happenings of the last few weeks at various schools, here are some revised predictions for the final Big XII standings.

These were made by going through the schedule and predicting each game and then totalling the results, rather than by looking at each team and saying, "Eh, they should finish 4-4 in conference."  This is why there are some strange-looking results, like Oklahoma finishing second-to-last in the south and Nebraska finishing in the lower division of the North. 

I didn't include KSU, as I didn't want this to just be another "we may have a rough year" thread.  I've made my expected finish for KSU known in other threads.

Big XII North
1.  Mizzou  5-3, 8-4.  Holiday Bowl.
2.  ISU      4-4, 7-5.  Gator Bowl.
3.  ku       4-4, 6-6.  NCAA Postseason Ban Bowl.
4.  NU       3-5, 6-6.  Insight Bowl.
5.  CU       2-6, 3-9.

Big XII South
1.  Texas Tech  7-1, 10-2.  BCS Bowl.
2.  Texas          7-1, 10-2.  Cotton Bowl
3.  aTm            5-3, 9-3.   Alamo Bowl.
4.  Baylor          4-4, 7-5.   Sun Bowl.
5.  OU              3-5, 6-6.   Texas Bowl.
6.  OSU            2-6, 5-7.

Two other observations:

#1:  Texas A&M's nonconference schedule is laughable.
#2:  Oklahoma's lack of an O-line + dependance on the run game spells a big downturn this season, even with their defense.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Mizzou? wtf?

[PowercatPosse]

NORTH --
1. Nubb  8-4/5-3
2. Ksu  7-5/4-4
2. Isu  7-5 /4-4
4. MU 7-5/3-5
4. ku 6-6/3-5
4. CU 5-7/3-5

SOUTH --
1. Texas 10-2/7-1
2. OU  9-3/6-2
3. T Tech 9-3/5-3
4. aTm 8-4/ 4-4
5. Baylor 4-8/2-6
5. OSU 5-7/2-6

I have K-State playing in the Insight.com bowl vs Wisconsin

[swish1]

With only two weeks to go before the season begins, and with all the happenings of the last few weeks at various schools, here are some revised predictions for the final Big XII standings.

These were made by going through the schedule and predicting each game and then totalling the results, rather than by looking at each team and saying, "Eh, they should finish 4-4 in conference."  This is why there are some strange-looking results, like Oklahoma finishing second-to-last in the south and Nebraska finishing in the lower division of the North. 

I didn't include KSU, as I didn't want this to just be another "we may have a rough year" thread.  I've made my expected finish for KSU known in other threads.

Big XII North
1.  Mizzou  5-3, 8-4.  Holiday Bowl.
2.  ISU      4-4, 7-5.  Gator Bowl.
3.  ku       4-4, 6-6.  NCAA Postseason Ban Bowl.
4.  NU       3-5, 6-6.  Insight Bowl.
5.  CU       2-6, 3-9.

Big XII South
1.  Texas Tech  7-1, 10-2.  BCS Bowl.
2.  Texas          7-1, 10-2.  Cotton Bowl
3.  aTm            5-3, 9-3.   Alamo Bowl.
4.  Baylor          4-4, 7-5.   Sun Bowl.
5.  OU              3-5, 6-6.   Texas Bowl.
6.  OSU            2-6, 5-7.

Two other observations:

#1:  Texas A&M's nonconference schedule is laughable.
#2:  Oklahoma's lack of an O-line + dependance on the run game spells a big downturn this season, even with their defense.

how is missouri improved over last year or is the rest of the north just gotten worse?

[Andy]

i like your predictions.  certainly a different perspective than most.

[purplecobra]

mizzou will finish #2 in the North

[Dan Rydell]

how is missouri improved over last year or is the rest of the north just gotten worse?

Good question.  A little bit of both.  Missouri returns some outstanding personnel on the offensive side of the ball...Gary Pinkel was wise to get Chase Daniels playing time last year, and a lot of people don't remember that he actually led Mizzou to a win or two.  He's also been looking very good in camp, from what I hear.  He has a couple of great targets in his tight ends, and Tony Temple should do some nice things out of the backfield.   Mizzou has some nice momentum from that bowl win against Spurrier and SC.  The only question is if they can get some consistent play from their defense. 

Couple that with the coaching changes at KSU and Colorado and the personnel turnover at ku (as well as the fact that Mizzou gets ku at home), and Mizzou should be in the upper division of the Big XII North.   OU's problems also help Mizzou, as I now have Mizzou winning that game at home. Nebraska has a slightly more challenging schedule than Mizzou, so I give Mizzou the edge there, and Iowa State has yet to "break through" and put everything together for an entire season.   Had Iowa State not collapsed at ku last year, then I think most people would be picking them in the North.  In the end, I believe the race in the North will come down to ISU and Mizzou.

IMO, Mizzou and Texas Tech are the two teams that have the chance to benefit the most from OU's recent problems.  Both teams have an excellent opportunity to finally have a breakthrough year this year, and both are returning players that should be good enough to give them a shot at such a year...assuming that Pinkel's Brad Smith-induced mental funk will lift and that Leach has yet another QB to plug into his gimmick offense.

[FBWillie]

how is missouri improved over last year or is the rest of the north just gotten worse?

Good question.  A little bit of both.  Missouri returns some outstanding personnel on the offensive side of the ball...Gary Pinkel was wise to get Chase Daniels playing time last year, and a lot of people don't remember that he actually led Mizzou to a win or two.  He's also been looking very good in camp, from what I hear.  He has a couple of great targets in his tight ends, and Tony Temple should do some nice things out of the backfield.   Mizzou has some nice momentum from that bowl win against Spurrier and SC.  The only question is if they can get some consistent play from their defense. 

Couple that with the coaching changes at KSU and Colorado and the personnel turnover at ku (as well as the fact that Mizzou gets ku at home), and Mizzou should be in the upper division of the Big XII North.   OU's problems also help Mizzou, as I now have Mizzou winning that game at home. Nebraska has a slightly more challenging schedule than Mizzou, so I give Mizzou the edge there, and Iowa State has yet to "break through" and put everything together for an entire season.   Had Iowa State not collapsed at ku last year, then I think most people would be picking them in the North.  In the end, I believe the race in the North will come down to ISU and Mizzou.

IMO, Mizzou and Texas Tech are the two teams that have the chance to benefit the most from OU's recent problems.  Both teams have an excellent opportunity to finally have a breakthrough year this year, and both are returning players that should be good enough to give them a shot at such a year...assuming that Pinkel's Brad Smith-induced mental funk will lift and that Leach has yet another QB to plug into his gimmick offense.

Do you think ISU's offense will make up for the obliterated D... Sure I know they didn't have much D last year, and all new starters might be a good thing...  But they just seem to green.

[swish1]

how is missouri improved over last year or is the rest of the north just gotten worse?

Good question.  A little bit of both.  Missouri returns some outstanding personnel on the offensive side of the ball...Gary Pinkel was wise to get Chase Daniels playing time last year, and a lot of people don't remember that he actually led Mizzou to a win or two.  He's also been looking very good in camp, from what I hear.  He has a couple of great targets in his tight ends, and Tony Temple should do some nice things out of the backfield.   Mizzou has some nice momentum from that bowl win against Spurrier and SC.  The only question is if they can get some consistent play from their defense. 

Couple that with the coaching changes at KSU and Colorado and the personnel turnover at ku (as well as the fact that Mizzou gets ku at home), and Mizzou should be in the upper division of the Big XII North.   OU's problems also help Mizzou, as I now have Mizzou winning that game at home. Nebraska has a slightly more challenging schedule than Mizzou, so I give Mizzou the edge there, and Iowa State has yet to "break through" and put everything together for an entire season.   Had Iowa State not collapsed at ku last year, then I think most people would be picking them in the North.  In the end, I believe the race in the North will come down to ISU and Mizzou.

IMO, Mizzou and Texas Tech are the two teams that have the chance to benefit the most from OU's recent problems.  Both teams have an excellent opportunity to finally have a breakthrough year this year, and both are returning players that should be good enough to give them a shot at such a year...assuming that Pinkel's Brad Smith-induced mental funk will lift and that Leach has yet another QB to plug into his gimmick offense.

i agree that this is the year for mizzou to do something but i find it hard to believe that the year after they lose brad smith they are going to win the north.  chase daniel did look pretty good at times last year so they certainly have a better situation at qb than ku and kstate but im not sold on their defense and im definately not sold on their coaching.  the north is so wide open that its very difficult to say mizzou cant win it.  i just think they wont.  nebraska and iowa st have to be the favorites imo but again this seems like a year where anything can happen.

[Dan Rydell]

im not sold on their defense and im definately not sold on their coaching.

Defense is a question, but as far as the coaching goes, here's what I see in the North:

1.  Callahan hasn't proven that he can break through yet.
2.  Mangino can't win on the road.
3.  McCartney chokes.
4.  Prince and Hawkins are new.

Mangino is the only one of those coaches that has dominated Pinkel, and ku returns less than Mizzou this year and has to go to Colombia.  Compare Pinkel to these coaches, and I just don't see coaching as much of a disadvantage for Mizzou any more.  Snyder, who owned Pinkel, is gone.   Barnett, who beat Pinkel 3 out of the last 4 years, is gone.

[bigdeal]

Long time poster, first time reader...no wait...Anyway, my thoughts on the North

1. Pinkel can really recruit...Pinkel cannot coach.  I think Pinkel will find a way to take some pretty good talent and turn them into a .500-ish team and finish 2nd or 3rd in the north.
2. Callahan would be great at selling cars...Callahan can't coach.  NU and ISU are likely the two best teams with NU having an easier schedule.  That being said, Callahan is similar to Pinkel so it will tough for him to win the north because of coaching.
3. Mangino would be great at eating ca...Mangino is a pretty good coach and a pretty good recruiter.  ku lost pretty much all of their playmakers from a very good D, and the only QB that led their O to do anything.  Despite that, they have a young, inexperienced QB and a bunch of supposedly talented but unproven players on D (we've all seen those try to replace actual playmakers) and yet they are getting quite a bit of love...at least in the KC area (granted, very big pro-ku slant in this area).  I don't see them making a .500 record this year in conference.
4. McCarney is a pretty good coach coach and a decent recruiter but they always find a way to think they don't belong with the big boys...because of this, they usually don't. 
5. I don't know enough about the CU coach to pass any judgement.  CU always thinks they belong with the big boys and...because of this, they usually are decent to pretty good.
6. KSU..no one knows enough about our coaches to pass any judgement.  We return alot of players (still) but line play has been suspect on both sides recently.  I think the rest of our D is solid, I think our WR's are talented, and our RB's I think will be OK.  Between Meier and Freeman, I believe we will be OK...although the questions are different for each.  That leaves our wildcards as line play, coaching, and acclimation time to the different systems.

Prior to Snyder's resignation last year, I thought we would be significantly improved this year because of the returning players we will have.  I felt we really needed to address line play in the off season...although if I'm not mistaken, our O line is filled with guys that were part of our "very good" O-Line recruiting class off the Big 12 title year.  Otherwise, I'm not sure we adequately addressed the lines in the offseason.

I would to welcome myself to the posting world of this board.  Hello to all you legendary posters and thanks for the entertainment to date.
   

[pissclams]

Good first post, I will award you one (1)
KATPAK

[PowercatPosse]

Missouri plays at Tech, aTm, Nubb, and Isu.   They will be lucky to win 1 of them. 

They go 3-5 in conf.  4-4 would be best case scenario and that is not going to get them a North crown. 

[Dan Rydell]

Missouri plays at Tech, aTm, Nubb, and Isu.   They will be lucky to win 1 of them. 

They go 3-5 in conf.  4-4 would be best case scenario and that is not going to get them a North crown. 

All they have to do is win one of them to finish at 5-3.  They have a good shot at beating ku, KSU, CU, and OU at home.  I think they pick up one win on the road to win the North.

[swish1]

Missouri plays at Tech, aTm, Nubb, and Isu.   They will be lucky to win 1 of them. 

They go 3-5 in conf.  4-4 would be best case scenario and that is not going to get them a North crown. 

All they have to do is win one of them to finish at 5-3.  They have a good shot at beating ku, KSU, CU, and OU at home.  I think they pick up one win on the road to win the North.

ou will still be a tough game even without bomar.  by the time they get through the non-conference thompson should be up to speed.  everybody is completely counting them out now that bomar is gone and im sure stoops will use that as motivation.

[FBWillie]

*Bump*

[cireksu]

06 dumbass.

[fatty fat fat]

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good bump, we obviously overrated ku.

LOL.

[The1BigWillie]

what a dumbass.

[steve dave]

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"LOL I am totally going to pwn these guys LOLLLERSSSS!!!!!!!!!111111oneone"
1 minute later
"OHHH NOESSSSS!!!!!!!!11111oneoneone  I pwnt myself!!!!!"

[konofo]

06 dumbass.

They're fond of mentioning last year's win over USF as if it related to this year, so it should surprise nobody that they would bump last year's predictions as though they're being invalidated by this year's performance.

kono

[fatty fat fat]

f-ing legendary

[cireksu]

in case anyone missed it, wavethewheat bumped this thread, realized his dumbassery, and deleted his bump.

[Newbie]

Oooooh, do we get to make revised 2006 predictions now?  I bet McCarney gets canned at the end of the season.  I know it sounds crazy, but I'm feelin' it.

[cireksu]

btw, pretty good predictions on the 06 season ksufans!

[WavetheWheat]

I f'd it up.  No doubt.  Laugh at me.  I deserve it.

[WavetheWheat]

I am amazed this site has been around since august 06.  I had no idea.

Cheers on being the best cat board on the net.

[catzacker]

                                                    
                                                  
                                           
                                                    
                                                    
                                            
                                                    
                                                   
                                        

[cyclist]

I am amazed this site has been around since august 06.  I had no idea.

Cheers on being the best cat board on the net.

Actually, January 17, 2006.

[Dan Rydell]

Jeebus.  Thanks for bringing this back up. 

The divison champs picked 4th and 5th.