LOL Conyers pwns Yoo.

[Kat Kid]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wBkKT7aTpQ&eurl=http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/06/yoo_we_dont_make_claims_of_inf.php

[AzCat]

Honest question: Do you lefties really believe that things like this make your guys look intelligent?

[Kat Kid]

Honest question: Do you lefties really believe that things like this make your guys look intelligent?

"Our office recently concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations."

Yoo wrote that as long as military interrogators were performing their work outside of the United States, they could legally use a number of unspecified techniques as long as they did not violate his definition of torture, which was "intense pain or suffering of the kind that is equivalent to the pain that would be associated with serious injury so severe that death, organ failure or permanent damage resulting in a loss of significant body functions will likely result."

[AzCat]

Yoo is correct that the protections against unreasonable seraches & seizures and the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement don't apply unless one is on US soil.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Bismullah largely agreed with that interpretation finding the holding of the detainees improper since Gitmo is US soil.  Again, I need to do more than skim the highlights but my impression is that "US soil" had a lot to do with that decision; by extension the Court would be implicitly agreeing with Yoo, no?

[AzCat]

Oh, and Conyers is still an idiot.  That sort of political showboating & attempted grandstanding is precisely the reason we have bad government.

[Kat Kid]

Yoo is correct that the protections against unreasonable seraches & seizures and the Fourth Amendment's warrant requirement don't apply unless one is on US soil.  Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Bismullah largely agreed with that interpretation finding the holding of the detainees improper since Gitmo is US soil.  Again, I need to do more than skim the highlights but my impression is that "US soil" had a lot to do with that decision; by extension the Court would be implicitly agreeing with Yoo, no?

Those are two different quotes.

Yoo thinks the military/NSA can spy on US citizens during times of war without FISA AND that we can torture whoever we want legally as long as it is overseas.

[AzCat]

FISA is probably an unconstitutional usurpation of the powers of the Executive.  IIRC it has yet to be explicitly tested.