Torture.

[Kat Kid]

Anyone who still argues that we did not systematically torture detainees is blind, willfully or otherwise.  The worst part of all this is the ridiculous number of entirely innocent people who were subjected to this abuse because of the cluelessness and incompetence of the process that captured terrorists.  Bribes, score settling and bountys were par for the course, not outliers.

You can believe a non-partisan group of medical professionals interviewing/examining detainees, freed by our government not because of any writ of habeas corpus (that was deemed illegal at the time) but because of their indisputable innocence, or you can believe Bush and Cheney: "We do not torture."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/18/AR2008061800336.html?hpid=topnews

As we now know, the Lyndie Englands of the world were the patsies and people like John Yoo, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and the CIA bear the real responsibility.  How pathetic that our sickening and endless deference to executive power, the two-party system and Washington decorum will prevent these war criminals from ever facing consequences for their actions.  History will judge them harshly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/17/AR2008061702862.html?hpid=topnews

This is not a partisan issue, this is a Washington issue.

Steny Hoyer and the Congressional Democrats are just as much to blame as anyone else in this whole mess.  Their capitulation on anything and everything speaks volumes.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/17/hoyer/index.html

[AzCat]

I can't wait for the backlash againt you libs that's happen just after a camel jock sails an Iranian nuke into New York harbor.  Here's hoping they hit San Francisco at the same time and wipe half America's radical left off the map.   

[Kat Kid]

I can't wait for the backlash againt you libs that's happen just after a camel jock sails an Iranian nuke into New York harbor.  Here's hoping they hit San Francisco at the same time and wipe half America's radical left off the map.   

Back in the Real World:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/17/AR2008061702673_2.html

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Anyone who still argues that we did not systematically torture detainees is blind, willfully or otherwise.  The worst part of all this is the ridiculous number of entirely innocent people who were subjected to this abuse because of the cluelessness and incompetence of the process that captured terrorists.  Bribes, score settling and bountys were par for the course, not outliers.

You can believe a non-partisan group of medical professionals interviewing/examining detainees, freed by our government not because of any writ of habeas corpus (that was deemed illegal at the time) but because of their indisputable innocence, or you can believe Bush and Cheney: "We do not torture."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/18/AR2008061800336.html?hpid=topnews

As we now know, the Lyndie Englands of the world were the patsies and people like John Yoo, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and the CIA bear the real responsibility.  How pathetic that our sickening and endless deference to executive power, the two-party system and Washington decorum will prevent these war criminals from ever facing consequences for their actions.  History will judge them harshly.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/17/AR2008061702862.html?hpid=topnews

This is not a partisan issue, this is a Washington issue.

Steny Hoyer and the Congressional Democrats are just as much to blame as anyone else in this whole mess.  Their capitulation on anything and everything speaks volumes.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/06/17/hoyer/index.html

Can't see any reason why these nice guys from Afghanistan would make up any stories about being tortured...seems fairly legit.

[Kat Kid]

Well, the U.S. govt. released them as innocents when they were under no obligation to (in their minds).  Terror suspects and Terrorists are different words.  Familiarize yourself with the discrepancy in your thinking.

[catdude33]

Torture seems like a good way to make bad guys tell you stuff that they don't want to tell.

[sonofdaxjones]

Not excusing the current administration.

But I am consistently amazed by the complete lack of understanding by many on the left in regards to America's covert activities (Domestic and International) since WWII.

Was the Bush Administration the first administration to use Rendition??

[jeffy]

If we would just shoot them rather than take them prisoner, we'd have been better off.....  Heck, Ronald Spiers (whom most would know from band of brothers) had the right idea....

[WildCatzPhreak]

Meanwhile, back at the justice league!

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[AzCat]

Meanwhile, back at the justice league!

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... KatKid & Faty make plans to attend an Obama rally!

[cireksu]

Not excusing the current administration.

But I am consistently amazed by the complete lack of understanding by many on the left in regards to America's covert activities (Domestic and International) since WWII.

Was the Bush Administration the first administration to use Rendition??

to be fair, during WWII we also carpetbombed/firebombed large cities and used nukes.

[jeffy]

Not excusing the current administration.

But I am consistently amazed by the complete lack of understanding by many on the left in regards to America's covert activities (Domestic and International) since WWII.

Was the Bush Administration the first administration to use Rendition??

to be fair, during WWII we also carpetbombed/firebombed large cities and used nukes.

Now we're talkin'!

[catzacker]

What's the big deal?  It's war.  Sh*t happens.  If anything, we should have just bombed the whole country clean and then moved the US's aging population to Afghanistan.  I wouldn't mind visiting grandpa and grandma in Kabul.

[mjrod]

torture    war criminals 

Really.

[michigancat]

You know who's afraid of terrorists?

Pussies.

[dohminator]

Torture seems like a good way to make bad guys tell you stuff that they don't want to tell.

Or just make up crap to get you to stop torturing them. 

[mjrod]

You know who's afraid of terrorists?

Pussies.

LOL

[mjrod]

Torture seems like a good way to make bad guys tell you stuff that they don't want to tell.

Or just make up crap to get you to stop torturing them. 

Or be trained to say things to throw off their interrogators.