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June 09, 2008, 01:32:46 PM
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"I believe Ron has a system in place that embodies the core values and principles that this program was built upon"
   - Bill Snyder circa the hiring of Ron Prince.

I firmly believe that those core values and principles that Prince was expected to continue were never a priority to him. From the beginning, it has been his way or the boot. You hear stories about Prince threatening everyone in the program, saying that everyone is under close watch now. The departure of Evridge, Hafferty, Webb, Courtney Greer, countless walk-ons, various staff members. It doesn’t add up to me.

Before I continue, let me make it clear that I am a faithful Kansas State fan. I am a fan of what Snyder built.

I think that it is time for Prince to go… He obviously feels pressure to produce this year, signing an outrageous 19 juco’s. People make a huge deal of juco’s being the only reason for success with Snyder.  Juco’s played their part in the DOD, but they were not his core group. It is my firm belief that this is the year that he has to produce a minimum of 7 wins for his job to be safe.

We’re a program in a powerhouse conference that just got out of a game with a freaking WAC team. Are you kidding me? And we replace them with Montana State? That is a complete joke. 

The entire west-coast offense that Prince runs is also a complete joke. Without Jordy last year, we win three games. No one else could catch the ball. Murphy was explosive but not a west-coast number 2 receiver. You have to be able to run the football with consistency to win in football. Every high school football coach in the state could tell you that. Running two little backs on draws and counters is not a consistent running game… How many times was it 3rd and short, and everyone knew the ball was going to Jordy. Nebraska came into BSFS in 06 and ran the ball down our throats, but still had a good passing game. That’s another thing, the 3-4 defense was a joke as well. We looked great against Auburn because Watts had the game of his life and Auburn’s offense was (and always is) fairly inconsistent early in the season.

The whole speed theme was yet another mistake. Having the fastest team in the conference is great, except when most teams have running backs that run over our backers. None of our backers could tackle… McKinney was probably the best overall tackler in ’07… In fairness to Prince, and knowing one of you would point it out, losing Kline hurt… Not having a solid DT is a pretty obvious sign of a defense that will be hurting.

The firing of Shorty… is there anything that needs to be said here that isn’t already known? A former staff member who now assistant coaches with me was there for the first year of Prince. He was there for most of Snyder’s tenure, and it made him absolutely sick to see what all was happening. He will not tell stories to K-State fans about Prince, because he doesn’t want to hurt the program’s support. Rod Cole’s departure was another particularly odd scenario. I personally would rather be the head Strength Coach at A&M than KSU if I wasn’t ever apart of KSU. But if you had been at KSU for all these years, then you all the sudden head off to A&M? He was coaching Flint Hill’s football team as well, on the side.

Without the Texas wins, do you think you would even consider Prince having success thus far? Those wins hide the truth that Prince has ruined this program. He hasn’t continued building upon the values of the University and the program…

I like to use this comparison… Look at what has happened at Wisconsin. Bielma continued what Alvarez had done at Wisconsin. He didn’t come in and completely change everything, he didn’t force players out, he respected walk-ons (not just the good ones), he kept tradition. The difference is Bielma was being groomed for the job, and was hired from within. That’s what should have happened with the hiring in the first place, or at least find someone who is going to genuinely continue the tradition. I thought Prince was going to be that guy…

It hurts me to see our football program that we protect and support isn’t the same program we all think that it is.

I didn’t put a lot of things in here because I honestly am getting sick of thinking about all of this. The more I remember instances and issues, the more I want to quit writing.

I do not know the solution as of yet. Prince isn’t involved in it, though, aside from dismissal.

"I consider it to have been a great privilege and an honor to have played for coach [Bill] Snyder and Kansas State, and I will always be grateful to him, his former staff and the university for giving me that opportunity”
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June 09, 2008, 01:46:50 PM
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wefald loves prince. krause loves what wefald loves.   :cheers:


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June 09, 2008, 01:50:24 PM
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Wefald just likes that Prince makes the BCA happy.

June 09, 2008, 01:52:19 PM
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Wefald just likes that Prince makes the BCA happy.

He prolly likes the ownership of TX as well....especially considering his public comments regarding that institution.
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June 09, 2008, 01:53:13 PM
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Yeah. Like I said... If you take away the Texas wins... How would you grade RP?

June 09, 2008, 01:56:16 PM
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Yeah. Like I said... If you take away the Texas wins... How would you grade RP?

If you take away the best win away from each of Snyder's first two seasons how would you grade him?  I'd say F-
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June 09, 2008, 02:01:10 PM
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Fire him and hire who?

We are screwed. We really need mangino to die soon.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

June 09, 2008, 02:02:15 PM
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Fire him and hire who?

I'm pretty sure "vacant" could win as many games a Ron Prince will next season.   :popcorn:
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June 09, 2008, 02:02:50 PM
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Yeah. Like I said... If you take away the Texas wins... How would you grade RP?

If you take away the best win away from each of Snyder's first two seasons how would you grade him?  I'd say F-

Did Snyder inherit a top 15-20 home-field advantage? What about players that knew what it felt like to win?

June 09, 2008, 02:05:17 PM
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Yeah. Like I said... If you take away the Texas wins... How would you grade RP?

If you take away the best win away from each of Snyder's first two seasons how would you grade him?  I'd say F-

Did Snyder inherit a top 15-20 home-field advantage? What about players that knew what it felt like to win?

two straight losing seasons by Snyder before Prince was hired is considered as "knew what if felt like to win" ?!?!?!?

June 09, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
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Seniors of what Prince inherited were freshmen of 03. And how many wins did the teams have before Snyder?

And tell me again, how was the home field advantage back then?

June 09, 2008, 02:07:19 PM
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Yeah. Like I said... If you take away the Texas wins... How would you grade RP?

If you take away the best win away from each of Snyder's first two seasons how would you grade him?  I'd say F-

Did Snyder inherit a top 15-20 home-field advantage? What about players that knew what it felt like to win?

Snyder had let that entire team deteriorate to nothing.  That top 15-20 home field advantage didn't sell out Bill's last home game.  
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June 09, 2008, 02:08:35 PM
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Yeah. Like I said... If you take away the Texas wins... How would you grade RP?

If you take away the best win away from each of Snyder's first two seasons how would you grade him?  I'd say F-

Did Snyder inherit a top 15-20 home-field advantage? What about players that knew what it felt like to win?

Snyder had let that entire team deteriorate to nothing.  That top 15-20 home field advantage didn't sell out Bill's last home game.  

Our strength is not in our numbers... K-State fans of alll people should know this. We hardly sell out. USC, Nebraska... ku...  Texas...

June 09, 2008, 02:09:54 PM
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Wefald just likes that Prince makes the BCA happy.
that's not true.


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June 09, 2008, 02:11:30 PM
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Wefald just likes that Prince makes the BCA happy.
that's not true.

"This hire is all about equal opportunity and how great this country is..."

I understand he probably likes Prince for other reasons, like that he's the president of the university that is on the map because of football.

I was mainly being sarcastic, howerver.

June 09, 2008, 02:12:05 PM
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Seniors of what Prince inherited were freshmen of 03.

my point exactly.  half of them prbly red-shirted and half prbly were on special teams.  

June 09, 2008, 02:16:15 PM
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Wefald just likes that Prince makes the BCA happy.
that's not true.

"This hire is all about equal opportunity and how great this country is..."

I understand he probably likes Prince for other reasons, like that he's the president of the university that is on the map because of football.

I was mainly being sarcastic, howerver.
i guess your sarcasm was meant to deflect attention away from my point?  for good or bad, prince isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.


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June 09, 2008, 02:16:34 PM
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Seniors of what Prince inherited were freshmen of 03.

my point exactly.  half of them prbly red-shirted and half prbly were on special teams.  

And held a ring. Tradition never graduates... If you're on that team, at every single practice, busting your balls every play on a team that wins a championship, you're telling me that doesn't affect you?

The four seasons before Snyder had won what, 4-6 games max?

June 09, 2008, 02:19:07 PM
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snyder sucked.  the sooner ksu fans accept that, the sooner they can forget football.
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June 09, 2008, 02:22:51 PM
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Wefald just likes that Prince makes the BCA happy.
that's not true.

"This hire is all about equal opportunity and how great this country is..."

I understand he probably likes Prince for other reasons, like that he's the president of the university that is on the map because of football.

I was mainly being sarcastic, howerver.
i guess your sarcasm was meant to deflect attention away from my point?  for good or bad, prince isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.

I agree. He probably won't go anywhere soon... but you never know.

June 09, 2008, 02:30:56 PM
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Wefald just likes that Prince makes the BCA happy.
that's not true.

"This hire is all about equal opportunity and how great this country is..."

I understand he probably likes Prince for other reasons, like that he's the president of the university that is on the map because of football.

I was mainly being sarcastic, howerver.
i guess your sarcasm was meant to deflect attention away from my point?  for good or bad, prince isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.

I agree. He probably won't go anywhere soon... but you never know.
we can always dream.  the more i think about it, the more i think prince is a football version of tom asbury.


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June 09, 2008, 02:35:45 PM
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Rod Cole played a part in our backers getting run over.  Don't forget that.

June 09, 2008, 02:37:25 PM
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Rod Cole played a part in our backers getting run over.  Don't forget that.
I would agree with that... but good technique can help... I'd be willing to bet that Cole played a part.

But how many times have you seen our backers not wrap up. Drives me insane to watch our defense.

June 09, 2008, 02:37:40 PM
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Rod Cole played a part in our backers getting run over.  Don't forget that.

The think the lack of talent at the LB position had the most to do with it...just imHo.
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June 09, 2008, 02:42:21 PM
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Yeah, because Mike Kent and staff had those guys in there lifting pillows. 

Come on, strength and conditioning was the least of K-State's problems last year. 

June 09, 2008, 02:42:38 PM
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It's retarded to expect a new coach to try to do everything the way Snyder did.  Complaing about what offense or defense he runs is silly.  I don't care who quits, or who gets fired, or what "traditions" he keeps or gets rid of.  If he wins a national championship, he can ban Snyder from the stadium for all I care.  Win=good.  lose=bad.  Everything else is irrelevent.
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June 09, 2008, 02:44:07 PM
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It's retarded to expect a new coach to try to do everything the way Snyder did.  Complaing about what offense or defense he runs is silly.  I don't care who quits, or who gets fired, or what "traditions" he keeps or gets rid of.  If he wins a national championship, he can ban Snyder from the stadium for all I care.  Win=good.  lose=bad.  Everything else is irrelevent.
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June 09, 2008, 02:49:26 PM
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It's retarded to expect a new coach to try to do everything the way Snyder did.  Complaing about what offense or defense he runs is silly.  I don't care who quits, or who gets fired, or what "traditions" he keeps or gets rid of.  If he wins a national championship, he can ban Snyder from the stadium for all I care.  Win=good.  lose=bad.  Everything else is irrelevent.

Yeah because we certainly look like we're on the road for a national championship with 19 juco's and the coming off the worst defensive team we've had in how long?  :thumbsup:

June 09, 2008, 02:53:17 PM
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It's retarded to expect a new coach to try to do everything the way Snyder did.  Complaing about what offense or defense he runs is silly.  I don't care who quits, or who gets fired, or what "traditions" he keeps or gets rid of.  If he wins a national championship, he can ban Snyder from the stadium for all I care.  Win=good.  lose=bad.  Everything else is irrelevent.
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June 09, 2008, 02:53:37 PM
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What Bill was doing was not working when he lost talented assistants.  It's pretty much that simple.  What exacerbated the problem and expedited the fall was that those talented assistants stayed in conference and directly competed with Bill on the field and off of it.  Who gives a sh*t if Evridge is gone?  The only person that left with any talent was Schmidt.  And f*ck shorty and Rod Cole.  Christ, Bill came in and KSU was in last place in the conference, he left and we were 2nd to last....just one game a head of freaking Baylor.  I'm far from a Prince defender, but the only thing Prince had to work with when he came in were unrealistic expectations by moronic snyderites who thought that when Bill said the cupboards weren't bare that he was telling the truth.