But lets be honest ....

[KSt8er]

Evridge didn't have the guts to see what happend.  he had a true freshman and a rehab case in front of him after one week of practice, and he bailed.  talk about nuts.

you really cannot believe this?   

[MrWhite]

he had a true freshman and a rehab case in front of him after one week of practice, and he bailed. 

that's fact.

and i don't think he wanted to see what happened.

[ScubaSteve]

questions for you ScubaS -

#1- tell my your best guess on why AE stayed at KSU all summer?
#2- Why do you think AE left?

Why would I do that?  Then I would be guilty of doing exactly what you are doing without all the facts.  I'm not stupid enough to do that.  I am smart enough to think of several scenarios that are different from your speculation.

[ScubaSteve]

I am unable to follow anyone's logic when it has at its core that AE is a quitter. 

Maybe the fact that he quit the team has something to do with it. 

That takes some logic skills.

[KSt8er]

Maybe the fact that he quit the team has something to do with it. 

That takes some logic skills.

Ok, lets see if we can go just a tad bit deeper here.  He quit because he's a quitter, or because he wasn't going to be allowed to compete any longer?   He quit because he's a quitter, but he's more than willing to go to a completely new school, completely new offense, much more competition at his position, and give up a years eligibility in the process, to have the opportunity to COMPETE for play time?   

hmmmmm? 

[sonofdaxjones]

Because I can, I just want to say that both Prince and Evridge are pussy's.

Thank you.

[ScubaSteve]

Maybe the fact that he quit the team has something to do with it. 

That takes some logic skills.

Ok, lets see if we can go just a tad bit deeper here.  He quit because he's a quitter, or because he wasn't going to be allowed to compete any longer?   He quit because he's a quitter, but he's more than willing to go to a completely new school, completely new offense, much more competition at his position, and give up a years eligibility in the process, to have the opportunity to COMPETE for play time?   

hmmmmm? 

One who quits is a quitter.  Pretty simple.

[MrWhite]

Ok, lets see if we can go just a tad bit deeper here.  He quit because he's a quitter, or because he wasn't going to be allowed to compete any longer?   He quit because he's a quitter, but he's more than willing to go to a completely new school, completely new offense, much more competition at his position, and give up a years eligibility in the process, to have the opportunity to COMPETE for play time?   

hmmmmm? 

he bailed less than a week into fall practices!  he didn't give competition a chance.  as soon as he wasn't a co-starter, he bailed.  that's the fact.

you can say he wasn't going to be allowed to compete - that's opinion - and ignore that he was listed as a co-starter for MUCH longer than he was treated as a #3.

[KSt8er]

So you are admitting that he was, after 4 practices already relegated to #3 status.    Where did you see him listed as a co-starter for this year?  If you are refering to the spring game then it has no bearing on this fall at all.  It appears that AE's status and play time then was token time to fool him into staying around under false pretence.  I'd like to know how a coach can determine a #3 after said #3 has taken a total of 2 snaps during the NEW WIDE OPEN COMPETITION.  Damn he's amazing.   I realize you like to infer than since AE got the snaps last spring that the others deserve more now, and that AE simply misread that and quit in a pouting fit.  Ludicrous. 

Look, I've read enough to know how you do your math and we do not have the same answers, lets just move on.   

[ScubaSteve]

So you are admitting that he was, after 4 practices already relegated to #3 status.    Where did you see him listed as a co-starter for this year?  If you are refering to the spring game then it has no bearing on this fall at all.  It appears that AE's status and play time then was token time to fool him into staying around under false pretence.  I'd like to know how a coach can determine a #3 after said #3 has taken a total of 2 snaps during the NEW WIDE OPEN COMPETITION.  Damn he's amazing.   I realize you like to infer than since AE got the snaps last spring that the others deserve more now, and that AE simply misread that and quit in a pouting fit.  Ludicrous. 

Look, I've read enough to know how you do your math and we do not have the same answers, lets just move on.   

Allan's mom said that he ran with the ones most of the Spring.  How can you not factor in what happenned in the Spring?  Prince sees more in the other two guys in the Spring and starts out the depth chart accordingly.  That doesn't mean that he wasn't getting a chance to move back up.  I have my theories as to why he got less reps in that first practice, but I would be speculating. However, his interview on the Friday BEFORE the first practice would be reason enough for me if I were Ron Prince.   All in baby!!

[Catbanker]

My opinion and it is an opinion is this:

AE played last season because Webb was hurt/ineffective/head case.  Our offensive line was injured/sucked and allowed no running game between the tackles so defensives put 8 in the box and not only stopped the run but had a decent opportunity to hurry/sack the QB.  AE left this fan = concerned for this year.

How can someone say that Prince wasn't around all summer?  So his SUV I saw parked there almost everyday indicated his wife was there?

I don't dispute anything that JMart has written but there is still another side to the story.  If told, it may clear things up or it may confirm some of the concerns that have been posted here.

You are the number #3 QB behind a rehabed senior and an untested freshman.  We have seen too many games where the QB is injured/ineffective and changes need to be made.  Wouldn't you want to work harder so you are ready for that opportunity?

New coach, new offensive and a different life at 2201 Kimball Ave.  I can allow some mis-steps to a new head coach..especially since I haven't seen him coach a game yet.

[MrWhite]

So you are admitting that he was, after 4 practices already relegated to #3 status.    Where did you see him listed as a co-starter for this year?  If you are refering to the spring game then it has no bearing on this fall at all.  It appears that AE's status and play time then was token time to fool him into staying around under false pretence.  I'd like to know how a coach can determine a #3 after said #3 has taken a total of 2 snaps during the NEW WIDE OPEN COMPETITION.  Damn he's amazing.   I realize you like to infer than since AE got the snaps last spring that the others deserve more now, and that AE simply misread that and quit in a pouting fit.  Ludicrous. 

Look, I've read enough to know how you do your math and we do not have the same answers, lets just move on.   

it was talked about widely in the Spring, and then there's the fact that he was a starter in the Spring Game. 

but we know how Evridge really feels about the QB competition:

"It feels like I have to prove myself all over again," he said. "It's been kind of interesting."

he wanted to transfer less than a week after feeling like he had to prove himself.

wake up.

[FBWillie]

I'd like to know the last time a 3rd string QB came into a game out of necessity... not mop up duty, but had to because of injury or ineffectiveness of previous two...   Meier in 03 with Roberson out for 3 games?  Outside of that, I can't think of any others.

[MrWhite]

meier entered that 03 game out of necessity, and was pulled out of necessity.

he's somewhat redeemed himself since then, but his performance in that game was textbook pissing down one's leg.

[mjrod]

I'm curious.

Being a quitter means you can make a choice.

You can be a loser without being a quitter, but if you quit, you will always be a loser.   One is a simple choice, the other is about circumstance.

Think about this:

If AE quit, he didn't need to have his locker cleaned out to make that decision.   Maybe he was already going to, and the coach pushed him over.  However, AE could have easily gone back up to the coach and said "Look, Coach, someone cleaned out my locker, but I don't want to quit.  Look me straight in the eye and tell me that you don't want me on this team.  I want to fight for that position, where are my uniforms?"

Remember, it's about choice.  And some choices are more clear cut than others, and sometimes, they aren't as obvious.

I'm not sure that AE wanted to leave, but I'm not sure he was given much of choice.  It could have just been a test.   I'll take ScubaSteve's premise by saying that we don't know everything that went on, and certainly, this story is not over.   But to call a kid a quitter may not be accurate at all.   Jeffrey Martin presents the story as it appears to him.   That doesn't mean he'll hear every side, and that doesn't mean a story isn't a story simply because one side has been reported.   A fan has every right to evaluate what he/she reads to form their own opinion.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I want to fight for that position, where are my uniforms?"

He already expressed that he wanted to fight for the position. He said that he didn't believe he was going to receive a fair chance at it so he's going to fight for the position at a school willing to give that fair chance.

[mjrod]

I want to fight for that position, where are my uniforms?"

He already expressed that he wanted to fight for the position. He said that he didn't believe he was going to receive a fair chance at it so he's going to fight for the position at a school willing to give that fair chance.

He created that message from his locker being cleared out.   That was an obvious choice.

[MrWhite]

it was like having to prove myself all over again.....