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August 10, 2006, 03:35:22 PM
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What do you mean?  You don't think that would sell some papers?

Some are reliable. Some aren't.

If you've followed J-Mart work AT ALL you'd realize nearly everything he's said has been 100% correct.

I have followed J-Mart's work VERY closely.  100% correct?  Hmmm... maybe.  100% accurate?  I would say probably so.  I don't have a problem with J-Mart's work.  It's the whole print media industry that bugs me.   I understand Prince and Co. isn't talking on this issue except for the standard SID line.  Do we want Prince to spout his side of the story?  J-Mart has to print something interesting.  Prince cleaning Alan's locker out is interesting.  If he just printed that Alan was transfering, he'd have the same story that anyone else has.  That doesn't make J-Mart a bad reporter, in fact, it probably makes him a good reporter depending on how you measure a good reporter.

Hey, I like Jeff Martin's work ethic.  He's proving to be the best beat writer in the state.  That doesn't mean I have to like the way the whole industry operates.

Aren't you a gp.com subscriber?

Yeah, but too much drama over there.  It's fun to post over here.   :dancin:

Lot's of good info over there though.  Lot's of bad info too.

August 10, 2006, 03:38:16 PM
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If Jim Wooldridge was a black man, there is no way he stays for 6 seasons.

Sadly, you're probably right.

August 10, 2006, 03:43:04 PM
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If having 3 QB's was so important, why was AE's locker cleaned out why he was pondering his decision?

Also, if he could handle 3 egos, we would have 3 scholarship QB's right now, instead of 2.  <----100% fact

If AE's ego could handle being the #3 QB, we would have 3 scholarship QBs right now instead of 2.  Someone had to be third, AE wasn't going to let it be him.  <----- FACT

AE said he would rather play defense than see the team with 3 scholarship QBs, didn't he?

What do you make of that?

He had his chance to compete, and when coach made his decision, AE was #3.  AE couldn't handle that.

August 10, 2006, 03:50:05 PM
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If having 3 QB's was so important, why was AE's locker cleaned out why he was pondering his decision?

Also, if he could handle 3 egos, we would have 3 scholarship QB's right now, instead of 2.  <----100% fact

If AE's ego could handle being the #3 QB, we would have 3 scholarship QBs right now instead of 2.  Someone had to be third, AE wasn't going to let it be him.  <----- FACT

AE said he would rather play defense than see the team with 3 scholarship QBs, didn't he?

What do you make of that?

He had his chance to compete, and when coach made his decision, AE was #3.  AE couldn't handle that.

What good is a 3rd string QB that isn't allowed to practice?  They aren't - all 3rd string qb's are useless.

Prince made a good decision by showing AE the door.

August 10, 2006, 03:51:26 PM
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Couple of responses:

Mr. White - the fact is, he didn't feel he could trust the coaching staff anymore. It's as simple as that. When a relationship reaches that point, it can't continue. Why didn't he feel he could trust anyone? Because he'd been told this was going to be an open competition. Prince wasn't around to evaluate summer workouts. Evridge went from co-No. 1 in the spring with five QBs on the roster to third-string with 3 QBs on the roster. The head coach wasn't around to observe what went down in the summer, but Allan is suddenly demoted? He's not a dumb kid.

ScubaSteve - Of course I'm not right all of the time. I was wrong on Taybron - felt bad about that - and I'll argue semantics about Webb. I don't know what you want from the print media. I'm not lazy - I'll guarantee his locker was cleaned out. I just wondered if you had a bone to pick.

August 10, 2006, 03:57:36 PM
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Couple of responses:

Mr. White - the fact is, he didn't feel he could trust the coaching staff anymore. It's as simple as that. When a relationship reaches that point, it can't continue. Why didn't he feel he could trust anyone? Because he'd been told this was going to be an open competition. Prince wasn't around to evaluate summer workouts. Evridge went from co-No. 1 in the spring with five QBs on the roster to third-string with 3 QBs on the roster. The head coach wasn't around to observe what went down in the summer, but Allan is suddenly demoted? He's not a dumb kid.

One guy passed him, and he hangs around for 4 practices?

He was competing in the Spring, when he was given preference over Freeman.  Freeman passes him the first week of fall practices and he wants to bail?

I see his side of it, and I know it must suck hard to go from starter to #3.  But to go to the coach and start talking transfer after 4 practices of not being a co-starter?

Sorry man, if AE wanted to compete for the two deep, he would be at practice, not in Texas.

I saw the writing as well.  I figured AE was #4 prior to Webb leaving and #3 after Webb left.  But being #3 behind a true freshman  and a rebuilt shoulder by no means results in no opportunity for PT.  If he wanted competition, he wouldn't have started talk about switching positions and transfer.

AE didn't want competition.  He wanted to be the starter.  When it was taken away, he left awfully fast, didn't he?


August 10, 2006, 03:58:10 PM
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Since I am a fan, I now blame Prince for everything ... "sleep on it" ... then clean the kids locker out.

Class.


August 10, 2006, 04:11:01 PM
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Couple of responses:

Mr. White - the fact is, he didn't feel he could trust the coaching staff anymore. It's as simple as that. When a relationship reaches that point, it can't continue. Why didn't he feel he could trust anyone? Because he'd been told this was going to be an open competition. Prince wasn't around to evaluate summer workouts. Evridge went from co-No. 1 in the spring with five QBs on the roster to third-string with 3 QBs on the roster. The head coach wasn't around to observe what went down in the summer, but Allan is suddenly demoted? He's not a dumb kid.

One guy passed him, and he hangs around for 4 practices?

He was competing in the Spring, when he was given preference over Freeman.  Freeman passes him the first week of fall practices and he wants to bail?

I see his side of it, and I know it must suck hard to go from starter to #3.  But to go to the coach and start talking transfer after 4 practices of not being a co-starter?

Sorry man, if AE wanted to compete for the two deep, he would be at practice, not in Texas.

I saw the writing as well.  I figured AE was #4 prior to Webb leaving and #3 after Webb left.  But being #3 behind a true freshman  and a rebuilt shoulder by no means results in no opportunity for PT.  If he wanted competition, he wouldn't have started talk about switching positions and transfer.

AE didn't want competition.  He wanted to be the starter.  When it was taken away, he left awfully fast, didn't he?



You're from Missouri, aren't you?  Stubborn and inable to comprehend logic....


August 10, 2006, 04:21:31 PM
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What part do you disagree with?

Evridge wanted to transfer within four days of being passed by one guy on the depth chart.

When he's listed as a starter, all is well.  Freeman passes him up, and it's splitsville.

It's not logic -- it's reality.

August 10, 2006, 04:36:51 PM
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Couple of responses:

Mr. White - the fact is, he didn't feel he could trust the coaching staff anymore. It's as simple as that. When a relationship reaches that point, it can't continue. Why didn't he feel he could trust anyone? Because he'd been told this was going to be an open competition. Prince wasn't around to evaluate summer workouts. Evridge went from co-No. 1 in the spring with five QBs on the roster to third-string with 3 QBs on the roster. The head coach wasn't around to observe what went down in the summer, but Allan is suddenly demoted? He's not a dumb kid.

ScubaSteve - Of course I'm not right all of the time. I was wrong on Taybron - felt bad about that - and I'll argue semantics about Webb. I don't know what you want from the print media. I'm not lazy - I'll guarantee his locker was cleaned out. I just wondered if you had a bone to pick.

Not saying you are lazy, and I believe that his locker was cleaned out.  I just know what to expect from the print media and try to keep in mind that there are more facts than what are presented in any particular story.  The problem is that not everyone does that and that results in opinions being formed from only the facts that they are presented without considering any other possibilty.

In regards to your response to MrWhite above, why does the fact that he was number 3 on the depth chart mean there wasn't going to be an open competition?  The depth chart has to start somewhere, doesn't it?  Was Prince around to evaluate the summer performance of Freeman or Meier?  Has Prince told you why AE got less reps in that first practice?  Did Allan tell you that Prince said, "Look Allan, you have no chance to be the starter."?  Is it possible that the spring practice resulted in the starting depth chart?  Does that mean it would end up that way?  I understand that Allan doesn't think he can trust the coaches any more.  Could it be that he is wrong?

Maybe all of the answers to these questions result in Ron Prince being sneaky bastard that tricked AE into not transferring earlier, but I'm not going to draw that conclusion without hearing from Prince.  Maybe I am wrong, but it seems like you already have.

August 10, 2006, 04:43:44 PM
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Any word on what Josh Freeman did in those 5 months of conditioning?  I heard he put on 25 pounds of muscle, and is now pushing 250.

If he put on 25 pounds of muscle in 5 months I hope he didn't use the USC method...keep the needle. I have a hard time believing he has put that much muscle on... I would believe 20% muscle and 80% fat.

August 10, 2006, 04:47:47 PM
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C'mon, man. I don't have any stake in this. If people talk to me, I listen. That's it. Prince doesn't talk to me. I'm careful about attribution and try not to be biased. That's my job. But that's the problem. When he doesn't comment, I lose a little credibility because people don't want to believe what I've written is true or it's one-sided. That's bullcrap.

August 10, 2006, 05:09:47 PM
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C'mon, man. I don't have any stake in this. If people talk to me, I listen. That's it. Prince doesn't talk to me. I'm careful about attribution and try not to be biased. That's my job. But that's the problem. When he doesn't comment, I lose a little credibility because people don't want to believe what I've written is true or it's one-sided. That's bull@#%$.

Who said anything about you losing credibility? I just said it SEEMS by your tone like you have formed an opinion based on what you are hearing from the players that are transferring. That's either true or not.

I know there isn't a d&*n thing that can be done about it, but I don't like one-sided reporting regardless of the reason.  I know you have a job to do.  Doesn't mean I have to like the result.

Look, if Prince is a sneaky bastard, fine.  I'm just saying I'm not going to form an opinion without hearing from him.

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August 10, 2006, 05:51:30 PM
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Question......If Evridge discussed playing on defense to get on the field, wouldn't that kind of dispel the notion that he had a big ego?  I mean, QB's with egoes want to be QB's and want to start, right?

August 10, 2006, 06:44:21 PM
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Question......If Evridge discussed playing on defense to get on the field, wouldn't that kind of dispel the notion that he had a big ego?  I mean, QB's with egoes want to be QB's and want to start, right?

He wasn't going to play over there either.

August 10, 2006, 07:44:16 PM
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Everyone is capable of reading between the lines. Some people just choose not to.

I'm telling you, this is not ANYTHING like the team from the beginning of conference play. You will see no more blowouts like what happened in OOC.  If we lose, it will not because these kids gave up, and it will be at the buzzer. -Rodless, before 97-70

August 10, 2006, 07:51:31 PM
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Evridge was a terrible quarterback. That's all that needs to be said.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

August 10, 2006, 07:57:59 PM
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Evridge was a terrible quarterback. That's all that needs to be said.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I'm telling you, this is not ANYTHING like the team from the beginning of conference play. You will see no more blowouts like what happened in OOC.  If we lose, it will not because these kids gave up, and it will be at the buzzer. -Rodless, before 97-70

August 10, 2006, 09:25:23 PM
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Why don't you go discuss KsqUawk Golden Shower.

If you actually read some of Fatasses comments ... they scream lowered expectations.



August 10, 2006, 10:38:21 PM
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Goldbrick thinking about fatty= :jerkoff:

August 11, 2006, 09:32:13 AM
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"Of course, that's because no one really cared about basketball. "

Nobody?  No.  People did care.  Difference is most of those who did care thought Wooldridge would be an upgrade over the "former regime", whom nearly everyone hated.  No matter what that regime did, it could do nothing right.  Therefore, the new guy was given the benefit of the doubt what he was doing had to been or probably was right.  We're seeing the opposite here. 


August 11, 2006, 09:44:23 AM
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C'mon, man. I don't have any stake in this. If people talk to me, I listen. That's it. Prince doesn't talk to me. I'm careful about attribution and try not to be biased. That's my job. But that's the problem. When he doesn't comment, I lose a little credibility because people don't want to believe what I've written is true or it's one-sided. That's bull@#%$.

Let's be honest here....

You're the best writer on KSU sports, but by your own admission Prince doesn't talk to you.

There's two sides to the AE story, Evridge and Prince.

If Prince isn't talking to you, your story is going to be one sided.  Unless you have some freaky mind reading power, NSA like abilities to snoop on football coaches or a direct line to Dionne Warwick that's just the reality of the situation.

I don't hold it against you, but it has to be considered.

There's no question that Evridge was getting the opportunities in the Spring.  He a huge chunk of those snaps in the fall, and bailed four days later.  Those are the facts.

It's also a fact that the only way Prince can know what he has in a rehabbed Dylan Meier and true freshman Josh Freeman is through practice.  You don't have to give Evridge all the snaps to know what he's capable of.

August 11, 2006, 10:07:20 AM
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You left out the fact that Evridge was going to be the #3 QB no matter what, as he would not receive significant reps to prove himself, and the fact that Prince childishly cleaned out Evridge's locker when he was considering a transfer.

ding ding ding

At this point I'm very ashamed of our head coach.  I now know what its like to be a fan of any other B12 north team, excepting Iowa State I guess.
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August 11, 2006, 10:31:39 AM
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KSt8er - Did Evridge have significant reps to prove himself in the Spring?  How long did he wait in the Fall to get significant reps?

There's only so many reps to go around, as soon as Evridge wasn't being treated as the starter, he bailed.

When he was being treated as the starter, he stayed.


August 11, 2006, 10:57:37 AM
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IMO from what I can piece together it went down like this:

AE stayed through the summer.  In this he was led to believe that he would have an equal opportunity at the #1 spot.
AE learns upon start of fall practice that there will be no such equality.  He too learns that he'll be over there with the practice squad for the next three years.
AE goes and talks with the person who assured him last spring that it's all good.
That person asks him to sleep on it and they can talk the next day.
That person has AE's locker cleaned out before the next days talk.
That person lied last spring to try and keep at least one sucker around for the practice squad.
That person lied to someone who's proven his mettle on the field for KSU.
AE not only deserved equal opportunity, he earned it.  There was no opportunity, the deal was done back on signing day.
That person is RP.

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August 11, 2006, 11:15:09 AM
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IMO from what I can piece together it went down like this:

AE stayed through the summer.  In this he was led to believe that he would have an equal opportunity at the #1 spot.
AE learns upon start of fall practice that there will be no such equality.  He too learns that he'll be over there with the practice squad for the next three years.
AE goes and talks with the person who assured him last spring that it's all good.
That person asks him to sleep on it and they can talk the next day.
That person has AE's locker cleaned out before the next days talk.
That person lied last spring to try and keep at least one sucker around for the practice squad.
That person lied to someone who's proven his mettle on the field for KSU.
AE not only deserved equal opportunity, he earned it.  There was no opportunity, the deal was done back on signing day.
That person is RP.



And you pieced all that together by listening to Allan Everidge, his mother, and reading what Jeff Martin has to say.  You're a regular Sherlock Holmes.

August 11, 2006, 11:34:32 AM
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IMO from what I can piece together it went down like this:

AE stayed through the summer.  In this he was led to believe that he would have an equal opportunity at the #1 spot.
AE learns upon start of fall practice that there will be no such equality.  He too learns that he'll be over there with the practice squad for the next three years.
AE goes and talks with the person who assured him last spring that it's all good.
That person asks him to sleep on it and they can talk the next day.
That person has AE's locker cleaned out before the next days talk.
That person lied last spring to try and keep at least one sucker around for the practice squad.
That person lied to someone who's proven his mettle on the field for KSU.
AE not only deserved equal opportunity, he earned it.  There was no opportunity, the deal was done back on signing day.
That person is RP.

Evridge told the coaches he was thinking about transferring on Tuesday.  That's a fact.

Fall practices started the previous Saturday.  That's a fact. 

Evridge was a co-starter through spring practices.  That's a fact.

Evridge wanted to transfer just four days after being passed on the depth chart by ONE player.  That's a fact.

My opinion is that he was not exactly willing to face an open competition.  My opinion is that Evridge thought he was significantly better than Meier, Freeman or both, and should have been getting snaps that went to them.

When he didn't get those snaps, he picked up his ball and left.  That's a fact.

Meier hasn't taken a snap of D1A ball since the fall of 2004.  That's a fact.

Freeman has never taken a snap of D1A ball.  That's a fact.

Evridge took hundreds of snaps last fall, and many more this spring as a co-starter.  That's a fact.

The only way Prince can know if Meier or Freeman is capable of being on the field this year is to see them in practice.  That's a fact.

When someone else got practice snaps, Evridge wanted to transfer.  That's a fact.

August 11, 2006, 11:45:22 AM
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questions for you ScubaS -

#1- tell my your best guess on why AE stayed at KSU all summer?
#2- Why do you think AE left?

And no, I made my speculations from quotes by AE, not anyone elses, certainly not his mothers recent comments.  Nothing he's said leads me to believe he's trying to fry RP, he's had the opportunity to do just that.  I've made my speculations by looking at the timeline for the most part.  That to me speaks volume about what has gone down.
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August 11, 2006, 11:57:50 AM
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I am unable to follow anyone's logic when it has at its core that AE is a quitter.  If he hasn't proven different to you in being here this fall, and more so on the field, then your eyes and mind must surely be closed.  AE wanted a chance to compete for the starting job, and at KSU.  He's not willing to be relegated to the practice squad. 

RP should have informed him last spring (at the least) that he was not going to get his chance but he could be on the practice squad if he stayed.  He tried to trick him, get him this far down the road and corner him into staying for his practice squad.  It is dishonest, disrespectful, and to a kid who'd given all he could to the KSU football team.  He didn't even have nuts enough to look him in the eyes the next day.   :poundon:
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August 11, 2006, 12:00:54 PM
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I am unable to follow anyone's logic when it has at its core that AE is a quitter.  If he hasn't proven different to you in being here this fall, and more so on the field, then your eyes and mind must surely be closed.  AE wanted a chance to compete for the starting job, and at KSU.  He's not willing to be relegated to the practice squad. 

RP should have informed him last spring (at the least) that he was not going to get his chance but he could be on the practice squad if he stayed.  He tried to trick him, get him this far down the road and corner him into staying for his practice squad.  It is dishonest, disrespectful, and to a kid who'd given all he could to the KSU football team.  He didn't even have nuts enough to look him in the eyes the next day.   :poundon:

evridge quit when he was getting the third most reps four days into fall practice.  that's just the facts, and isn't name calling.

what did Prince do last spring?  treated Evridge like a co-starter.  this fall he gave some of those reps to Freeman, who didn't get them in the spring, to see what he had.  Evridge quit four days later.

Evridge didn't have the guts to see what happend.  he had a true freshman and a rehab case in front of him after one week of practice, and he bailed.  talk about nuts.