But lets be honest ....

[sonofdaxjones]

AE, what a pussy.

Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did for KSU by and large and I hate to seem him go.

But what's with this ... "Oh, oh, I am not getting exactly what I want right now so I am just going to transfer" crap??

A little note to AE, if you happen to end up at a BCS school, or pretty much any D1 school, you aren't gonna walk in and just be handed the job.  And if he's leaving because he thought Freeman was "promised" something, which may very well be the case ... why not stick around for the year and at least see how it plays out??

What happened to the "team" concept.

 

[MrWhite]

I wonder if AE would have been happy as the backup?  Or was it starter or bust?

[sonofdaxjones]

AE, what a pussy.

Now don't get me wrong, I appreciate what he did for KSU by and large and I hate to seem him go.

But what's with this ... "Oh, oh, I am not getting exactly what I want right now so I am just going to transfer" crap??

A little note to AE, if you happen to end up at a BCS school, or pretty much any D1 school, you aren't gonna walk in and just be handed the job.  And if he's leaving because he thought Freeman was "promised" something, which may very well be the case ... why not stick around for the year and at least see how it plays out??

What happened to the "team" concept.

 

I'd also add that I think it's pretty bush league if Prince told him to "Sleep on it" and then cleaned out his locker ... WTF?? 

But still, it doesn't keep my from wondering about what I sense is an "I" attitude with this guy.

[ds43fan]

if your gonna transfer don't do it 4 days into f^cking fall practice

[ksuno1stunner]

it would suck going from starter to scout team qb

[WILDCAT NATION]

It sounds like he was pissed that he was told he would be given a chance to win the job...spent all summer working out..and had magically been made the scout team QB before one snap of fall practice...then got like 1 or 2 snaps in said first practice.

I'd be pissed off too..no one with integrity lies to a player like that...

Unless Freeman is unbelievably good, he should be the Scout Team QB this year as a RS Freshman...Sorry, but Ronnie can't afford a losing season...so Josh better be all he's cracked up to be and the OL better be decent...

We'll see how "scary smart" this decision looks in a few months.

[MrWhite]

Is it so hard to believe that a depthchart of Meier/Freeman/Evridge could have been accurate?

The guy had over 200 attempts last year and only threw 6 TDs.  And it's not like the running game was eating up all the TDs.

If Webb hadn't left, I would have had Evridge fourth on the depth chart.

[WILDCAT NATION]

Before a single practice?

Yes.


It sounds like RP is better at wowing media and fans than he is at convincing his own players to stick around...

Sorry, but not having a legit scout team QB, and losing a person with the intelligence and character of AE hurts...no way to spin it.

[ds43fan]

does this graph help explain your feelings nation?

 

[WILDCAT NATION]

Perhaps....if I could read it.

 

[Jeffrey_Martin]

It sounds like he was pissed that he was told he would be given a chance to win the job...spent all summer working out..and had magically been made the scout team QB before one snap of fall practice...then got like 1 or 2 snaps in said first practice.

I'd be pissed off too..no one with integrity lies to a player like that...

I'd say Wildcat Nation has some pretty accurate info.

[ds43fan]

Perhaps....if I could read it.

 

lol fixed it

[MrWhite]

Before a single practice?

Yes.

Well, darn good thing it didn't happen before a single practice.

Guess who was one of two starting QBs in the Spring Game?  That's right, Evridge.

After watching all the Spring practices, and any other improvements over the summer, AE got passed by one player on the depth chart.

That's what happened.

Now what is so unreasonable about that?

And please leave any man-crush you have for AE out of the conversation.

[wildwillie]

At least we have a couple of QB's recruited for next year...you know the ones that fit Prince's new system better....

[WILDCAT NATION]

If that's the case...be honest with the player...don't say to work your ass off this summer because you're gonna be competing for the starting job in August....then have him show up and hold a clipboard.

Yes, there is always a depth chart, but it sounds like the decision has been made to me...

I'm not surprised, and I have no particular affection for AE other than he seems to be a stand up kid and I enjoyed having him represent KSU...

That, and the fact that we are now down to 2 QB's...and have absolutely no depth.


NONE.

[MrWhite]

Being down to 2 QBs and having no depth rests squarely on the shoulders of AE. 

When he found out he wasn't going to be #1 or #2 he wanted to switch to defense.  The coaches said they needed him at QB.  Then he started talking transfer, and got his locker cleaned out.

If the coaching staff felt the team was best served by having Meier and Freeman ahead of Evridge, you can't fault them in any way.  They went with the guys they liked, what do you expect them to do, push a guy they think is the third best QB into a starting spot? 

There's a reconstructed shoulder and a true freshman between the third string QB and starting on Saturday.  Evridge saw that and decided it was too much.

Think about it.  How stand up is that?

[ds43fan]

well atleast he screwed himslef to cuz no1 in BCS D-1 will want him if he acted this badly to 3rd string

[WILDCAT NATION]

Negative...when he found out he would not be allowed to try to improve his standing, he mentioned moving to defense...

Huge difference.

And sorry, having 2 QB's after having 5 just a few months ago is NOT the fault of some 20 year old kid...this one's on the guy that reads a book a week...might I suggest this one..



Since his skills at talking a player into sticking around seem to be lacking....and he's so into those corporate BS self help books.

[sonofdaxjones]

So since I am a fan, I can then conclude that:

1.  This is another issue the Scary Smart handled poory IMO.

2.  AE is still a bit of a wuss, for not sticking it out for at least this year and seeing what develops.  Geez ... one freaking practice and you conclude that over the course of the next 4 months you'll never get a shot??

[michigancat]

A little note to AE, if you happen to end up at a BCS school, or pretty much any D1 school, you aren't gonna walk in and just be handed the job.  And if he's leaving because he thought Freeman was "promised" something, which may very well be the case ... why not stick around for the year and at least see how it plays out??

If he felt he wouldn't have a chance to play this year but played it out anyway, he would only have one year of eligibility remaining if he transferred to a D1 school later.

[Saulbadguy]

I highly disagree.

I think Prince screwed him royally.  I bet he outperformed Josh Freeman, but wasn't given a chance to show that on a consistent basis.  When he said he wanted to play DEFENSE just to see the field, that's what really tipped it off that he was being screwed. 

[MrWhite]

There's nothing that shows that Evridge outperformed anybody.

And Prince has been 100000% consistent that he would make QB decisions quickly in fall practice.  AE didn't like the decisions, so he bailed.

If he was outperforming someone and not getting the love for it, it needs to be shown, not speculated.

After watching the Spring Game I felt that Meier was ahead of AE, and that Freeman had vastly more potential.

And no matter how you want to twist it, it all comes down to one answer.

Coach told AE he was #3, AE didn't like that, so he left.

[michigancat]

And Prince has been 100000% consistent that he would make QB decisions quickly in fall practice.

And by "quickly in fall practice" he obviously meant "before fall practice began".

[MrWhite]

certainly in the first week.

Do you think AE is a better QB than Meier?  Does he have more potential than Freeman?

Why is it so hard to believe that third is where AE belonged on the depth chart?

The guy threw over 200 passes and only hit paydirt 6 times. 

[michigancat]

certainly in the first week.

Do you think AE is a better QB than Meier?  Does he have more potential than Freeman?

Why is it so hard to believe that third is where AE belonged on the depth chart?

The guy threw over 200 passes and only hit paydirt 6 times. 

I definitely don't consider Meier to be significantly better than Evridge, and potential won't necessarily win games this year.  On day 1 of practice, everyone deserved equal footing, like Prince preached about doing.  Heck, at least see how everyone does in full pads before making up your mind.

[MrWhite]

Day 1 of practice was in April.

If you recall, Evridge started the Spring Game.

200 passes......6 TDs.

Allen !@#$%^ Webb did better than that.

[michigancat]

Day 1 of practice was in April.

If you recall, Evridge started the Spring Game.

200 passes......6 TDs.

Allen !@#$%^ Webb did better than that.

I was pissed about Webb leaving, too.  Last year, his QB rating was significantly higher than Meier's in '04 or Evridge's in '05.


Passing         Att-Cmp-Int Yds TD Long Sack
--------------------------------------------
Meier, Dylan      10-7-1     53  1   11    0
Webb, Allen        6-5-0     79  1   47    0
Evridge, Allan    12-6-0     72  1   22    1
Freeman, Josh      7-5-0     57  1   29    0
Lopina, Kevin      3-2-1     24  0   19    1

Looks to me like everyone was pretty equal.

[MrWhite]

kinda shoots your theory down that Evridge never got a chance to compete, he had more of a chance in the spring game than anyone else.

the coaches looked at it and liked Meier and Freeman better.

you may not agree with it, but it's not like Evridge was unarguably better.

Evridge was #3, didn't like it, so he bailed.

[WILDCAT NATION]

If potential meant anything Thomas Clayton would be All Big 12.

[michigancat]

kinda shoots your theory down that Evridge never got a chance to compete, he had more of a chance in the spring game than anyone else.

the coaches looked at it and liked Meier and Freeman better.

you may not agree with it, but it's not like Evridge was unarguably better.

Evridge was #3, didn't like it, so he bailed.

My point is that NO ONE that transferred got to compete.  I don't give a crap about Evridge, Webb, or Lopina in particular...I think they all got screwed, and screwing those players will hurt the football team.

As for setting your two-deep in stone immediately after spring practice - 5 months of weights and conditioning can change a player dramatically on the field.  Also, as Nation mentioned, it seems like Evridge thought he would have a chance to compete right up until the first fall practice.  Why would a coach do this?