Serious D. Arthur Question for the board

[Ben]

So now K-State fans have come full circle... it went from the high school's fault to Bill Self's in less than 30 minutes.

It's just one of those things you assume when a basketball program is on probation as much as ku is.

Amazingly, ku and K-State are tied for the same number of major NCAA infractions... but don't let facts get in the way of your theory.

Dax has already pwn3d you on this subject. I suggest you bow out now.

LOL... your athletic department was penalized three times in the '90's alone... in three different sports.  'Pad just pretends like it doesn't matter because some of the infractions occurred in non-revenue sports.

they don't matter.  football and basketball please, tia.

Well in that case... *****2008 National Champions in men's basketball (37-3)*****  +  2008 Orange Bowl Champions in football (12-1)

Fixed it for you, you forgot your asteriks

Oh yeah... nice.  I sometimes forget that ku was the winningest National Champion in the history of college basketball with 37 wins.  Also the only National Champion to win a Final Four consisting of all #1 seeds.  Damn, it's great to be a Jayhawk.


Toodles!

 

[SUPERKSUFAN]

Toodles!

 

[sonofdaxjones]

Where were we??  Oh yeah, the sleaze factor at ku.

I wonder if the NCAA will try and investigate the date of the grade changes and then look at when ku first became involved with Arthur . . . doubtful.

[ksuno1stunner]

this thread is gay

[GoodForAnother]

Please note when his aau coach was getting $2,000 (probably more under the table) to "talk" at the ku basketball camp.

At K-State they give AAU coaches $300,000 salaries.

 

Completely legal, and much less sleazy than paying a player's dad.  

How is paying a 20-something AAU coach $300,000 a year any more ethical than hiring a guy with a military and coaching background as the Director of Basketball Operations?  It's not like the job requires overwhelming coaching experience... hell, your head basketball coach probably has less coaching experience than Ronnie Chalmers. 

It's all about the way you say things.

You say, "20-something AAU coach," I say, "player with 4 years assistant coaching experience."

You say, "military and coaching background," I say, "top-rated recruit's father who coached for five years in the Alaskan high school ranks."

[GoodForAnother]

We don't pay an AAU coach $300,000 a year.  We pay our top assistant $300,000 a year.  He's not an AAU coach.  Hasn't been for about six years or so.

You guys paid some dude from Texas $2,000 to come talk.

There is a slight difference.

[SUPERKSUFAN]

We don't pay an AAU coach $300,000 a year.  We pay our top assistant $300,000 a year.  He's not an AAU coach.  Hasn't been for about six years or so.

You guys paid some dude from Texas $2,000 to come talk.

There is a slight difference.

and charge the City of Lawrence $6,400 for canceled hotel reservations

[sys]

this thread is gay

qft.  v.  bookcat.

[leawoodcat]

'Pad, my posts are in direct response to some of your comments.  You want to talk about AAU coaches getting paid... fine, but don't be a little bitch when I point out the fact that your school pays an AAU coach $300,000 a year to bring in a bunch of kids from the DC Assault.

It is definitely high for an assistant, but hasn't he been worth every penny of it?

What is missing in this discussion is that there is a HUGE difference between hired a father than an AAU coach. You are actually buying a player. 'Te can't pass his salary on to a player and Beasley very easily could have just asked out of his commitment. 

The thing about the ku DOB position is that I am sure there was a large stack of qualified candidates who have done very similar jobs with other schools and they gave it to Daddy Chalmers who really only had one qualification which was better than most if not all of the other applicants - his son.

Seriously, BMW, you might try finding a debate you can win.

[Darrell Arthur]

wut

[SuperSoulFighter]

The fact is that ku won the national title.  They also won the Orange Bowl in January.

WHY IN THE HOLY HELL HAVEN'T WE:

1. HIRED KIDS' FATHERS
2. CHANGED PLAYERS GRADES
3. PAID PEOPLE TO TAKE TESTS
4. PAID FOR RECRUITS AND THEIR FAMILY'S TRIPS

Simply hiring somebody's AAU couch is obviously not enough.  If we're going to "play the game" then we need to "PLAY THE GODDAMN GAME!"

There is no reason that ku should out-cheat us.  The only thing that we might have a problem matching is the vast quantity of freshman whores that ku throws at their basketball players.

[Legore]

The fact that you even have to explain the difference between Dalonte Hill and Chalmers dad to ku fans says all you need to know about how ku fans think.  If Hill gives Beasley money out of his salary it's an NCAA violation.  When Chalmers gives his son money out of his salary it's his allowance.  Doesn't seem like it would be that hard to understand.   As far as package deals go they're not even in the same league.

Hill is the equivalent of the Townsend dude on the ku staff only Hill never got multiple NCAA programs on probation prior to coming to KSU. 

[VA-Hawk]

We did what we were supposed to. We reviewed his official transcripts just like the NCAA clearinghouse did. There was no way to know his "official" school transcripts were bogus.
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Seriously, what part of this NCAA bylaw is not in play here?

14.1.2 Validity of Academic Credentials. As a condition and obligation of membership, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine the validity of the information on which the eligibility of a student-athlete is based. Therefore, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine whether a transcript is valid for purposes of applying appropriate NCAA legislation to the eligibility of a student-athlete when the institution receives notification, or otherwise has cause to believe, that a student-athlete's high school, preparatory school or two-year college transcript is not valid.


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[treysolid]

i still don't get whole "military experience" thing.  i used to play on a city league softball team with a couple of army guys on it, so by ben's logic, that means i have military experience, right? 

[Winters]

I bet he slept with that teacher to boost those grades!

[LimestoneOutcropping]

fwiw, word on campus is Beasley set the curve in calc 1, and didn't even have to take the calc 2 final.

Arthur? Can't pass algebra.

Good stuff.

Actually, Arthur did in fact "pass" it.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

i still don't get whole "military experience" thing.  i used to play on a city league softball team with a couple of army guys on it, so by ben's logic, that means i have military experience, right? 

My brother has been military for past 18 years.  I have played football, baseball, basketball, Nintendo with him.  I taught him how to cheat at Clue! 

18 years of military experience.

[geezer]

I can't believe I read this entire thread.
BTW whoever registered as Darrell Arthur and now has 6 posts of wut is pretty funny.

[cyclist]

I can't believe I read this entire thread.
BTW whoever registered as Darrell Arthur and now has 6 posts of wut is pretty funny.

Darrell Arthur is another of waks's socks...

[Darrell Arthur]

I can't believe I read this entire thread.
BTW whoever registered as Darrell Arthur and now has 6 posts of wut is pretty funny.

Darrell Arthur is another of waks's socks...

wut i play bassketbal

[BullHawkWheel]

I think we'll send Lew and MF'n Dooley down to Texas.  Bloodbath.

Seriously, what part of this NCAA bylaw is not in play here?

14.1.2 Validity of Academic Credentials. As a condition and obligation of membership, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine the validity of the information on which the eligibility of a student-athlete is based. Therefore, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine whether a transcript is valid for purposes of applying appropriate NCAA legislation to the eligibility of a student-athlete when the institution receives notification, or otherwise has cause to believe, that a student-athlete's high school, preparatory school or two-year college transcript is not valid.

So the NCAA is calling themselves invalid?  The NCAA CLEARED HIM.  They deemed him eligible to play.  if anything, the only thing an investigation will prove is the incompetence of the ncaa to accurately grant eligibility.  to try to spin this and say that ku had anything to do with Darrell Arthur's HS grades is pretty comical. 

[BullHawkWheel]

Please note when his aau coach was getting $2,000 (probably more under the table) to "talk" at the ku basketball camp.

At K-State they give AAU coaches $300,000 salaries.

 

Completely legal, and much less sleazy than paying a player's dad.  

How is paying a 20-something AAU coach $300,000 a year any more ethical than hiring a guy with a military and coaching background as the Director of Basketball Operations?  It's not like the job requires overwhelming coaching experience... hell, your head basketball coach probably has less coaching experience than Ronnie Chalmers. 

It's all about the way you say things.

You say, "20-something AAU coach," I say, "player with 4 years assistant coaching experience."

You say, "military and coaching background," I say, "top-rated recruit's father who coached for five years in the Alaskan high school ranks."
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ronnie' hs coaching experience is moot.  he is not as basketball coach.  he is not one of the coaches making the gameplan, recruiting, taking stats, etc..  he is director of operations.  this is non basketball stuff.  main thing is DISCIPLINE.  he is in charge of keeping them on track and making sure they dont frack up.  i think his 25 yrs of military experience including DRILL INSTRUCTOR qualifies him to perform this certain job.  we just lucked out that we could kill 2 birds with one stone.  sign a top 10 kid who won us a nc, and as icing on the cake bring his dad who luckily fills a relevant need on our staff.

[treysolid]

Please note when his aau coach was getting $2,000 (probably more under the table) to "talk" at the ku basketball camp.

At K-State they give AAU coaches $300,000 salaries.

 

Completely legal, and much less sleazy than paying a player's dad.  

How is paying a 20-something AAU coach $300,000 a year any more ethical than hiring a guy with a military and coaching background as the Director of Basketball Operations?  It's not like the job requires overwhelming coaching experience... hell, your head basketball coach probably has less coaching experience than Ronnie Chalmers. 

It's all about the way you say things.

You say, "20-something AAU coach," I say, "player with 4 years assistant coaching experience."

You say, "military and coaching background," I say, "top-rated recruit's father who coached for five years in the Alaskan high school ranks."
[/quote/]



ronnie' hs coaching experience is moot.  he is not as basketball coach.  he is not one of the coaches making the gameplan, recruiting, taking stats, etc..  he is director of operations.  this is non basketball stuff.  main thing is DISCIPLINE.  he is in charge of keeping them on track and making sure they dont frack up.  i think his 25 yrs of military experience including DRILL INSTRUCTOR qualifies him to perform this certain job.  we just lucked out that we could kill 2 birds with one stone.  sign a top 10 kid who won us a nc, and as icing on the cake bring his dad who luckily fills a relevant need on our staff.

tell that to brandon rush's parole officer.

[leawoodcat]

I think we'll send Lew and MF'n Dooley down to Texas.  Bloodbath.

Seriously, what part of this NCAA bylaw is not in play here?

14.1.2 Validity of Academic Credentials. As a condition and obligation of membership, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine the validity of the information on which the eligibility of a student-athlete is based. Therefore, it is the responsibility of a member institution to determine whether a transcript is valid for purposes of applying appropriate NCAA legislation to the eligibility of a student-athlete when the institution receives notification, or otherwise has cause to believe, that a student-athlete's high school, preparatory school or two-year college transcript is not valid.

So the NCAA is calling themselves invalid?  The NCAA CLEARED HIM.  They deemed him eligible to play.  if anything, the only thing an investigation will prove is the incompetence of the ncaa to accurately grant eligibility.  to try to spin this and say that ku had anything to do with Darrell Arthur's HS grades is pretty comical. 

While I think most of us agree that ku is unlikely to get in trouble, I think it is very likely they were complicit with the grade change. Let's think logically for once:

Arthur is a recruit who is at great risk of not qualifying. ku is in touch with him regularly. Would it not be highly probable that the coaches who call him would talk about his academics, encourage him  and, yes, ask him how he did on his tests? 

If so, either Arthur told them the truth ,that he was flunking every math test he took, or Arthur was lying to them.

ku can hide behind the NCAA all they want, but it is not unlikely that they were complicit with the changing of a grade. It would be incredulous to believe that Arthur was not complicit with the grade changes and lied to the NCAA.

Yes, nothing will likely happen to ku.  Yet we all know that ku won the National Championship with a key player who clearly should not have been eligible. Congrats.

[Ben]

Go eat a d*ck, K-State fans... Arthur will be filing a lawsuit against the Dallas television station and when all is said and done could be compensated up to $30-40 million.  It's completely illegal to disclose a high school student's grades.  Furthermore, these are nothing more than allegations from a teacher who was FIRED from South Oak Cliff. 

[fatty fat fat]

Go eat a d*ck, K-State fans... Arthur will be filing a lawsuit against the Dallas television station and when all is said and done could be compensated up to $30-40 million.  It's completely illegal to disclose a high school student's grades.  Furthermore, these are nothing more than allegations from a teacher who was FIRED from South Oak Cliff. 

Go solve a quadratic equation...oh wait. You can't.



 

[fatty fat fat]

http://www.youtube.com/fatty4ksu

[Ben]

You give me a quadratic equation... I'll give you a least squares regression problem.  We'll see who prevails.

[catzacker]

http://www.youtube.com/fatty4ksu

fatty solve for 'x' please

x = jersey + beasley + walker

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Go eat a d*ck, K-State fans... Arthur will be filing a lawsuit against the Dallas television station and when all is said and done could be compensated up to $30-40 million.  It's completely illegal to disclose a high school student's grades.  Furthermore, these are nothing more than allegations from a teacher who was FIRED from South Oak Cliff. 

I think the same lawfirm that is supposed to drop the report on KSU will represent him.