Serious D. Arthur Question for the board

[steve dave]

Please note when his aau coach was getting $2,000 (probably more under the table) to "talk" at the ku basketball camp.

At K-State they give AAU coaches $300,000 salaries.

 

Completely legal, and much less sleazy than paying a player's dad.  

How is paying a 20-something AAU coach $300,000 a year any more ethical than hiring a guy with a military and coaching background as the Director of Basketball Operations?  It's not like the job requires overwhelming coaching experience... hell, your head basketball coach probably has less coaching experience than Ronnie Chalmers. 

What is your guess on how many D-1 programs would hire 'te compared to how many would hire Ronnie (Post Ronnie's son playing and post Beasley)?

[sys]

Another serious question: Why are so many top athletes so dumb?  Passing high school is, like, really easy.

on the arthur thing, who gives a rat's ass.


this is a good question though.  amazing how so many athletes have trouble passing reqs. that are ridiculously minimal.

[steve dave]

What is your guess on how many D-1 programs would hire 'te compared to how many would hire Ronnie (Post Ronnie's son playing and post Beasley)?

I will give you the answer:  Most of them would love to have 'te and zero programs would hire Ronnie...ZERO

[Pete]

Please note when his aau coach was getting $2,000 (probably more under the table) to "talk" at the ku basketball camp.

At K-State they give AAU coaches $300,000 salaries.

 

Completely legal, and much less sleazy than paying a player's dad.  

How is paying a 20-something AAU coach $300,000 a year any more ethical than hiring a guy with a military and coaching background as the Director of Basketball Operations?  It's not like the job requires overwhelming coaching experience... hell, your head basketball coach probably has less coaching experience than Ronnie Chalmers. 

Dude, elvis pressley had a millitary background.

[Pete]

In 2007, Arthur had 13 points, 12 boards, and 2 blocks against KSU in Manhattan.  K-State lost by 9.  They didn't have any post pressence that year.  That would have made a huge difference.
 
In the 2007 Big 12 tournament game that KSU lost to ku by 6, Arthur had 8 points, 3 boards, 3 steals, and a block in 17 minutes of play.  I think that made a positive impact on the game for ku.  Winning that game would have put KSU in the NCAA tournament, guaranteed.

[catphanatic09]

Another serious question: Why are so many top athletes so dumb?  Passing high school is, like, really easy.

on the arthur thing, who gives a rat's ass.


this is a good question though.  amazing how so many athletes have trouble passing reqs. that are ridiculously minimal.

Sys, if Arthur had went to Baylor and this broke, you would be all over them and ridiculing Drew for being a sleezeball and a cheater

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Please note when his aau coach was getting $2,000 (probably more under the table) to "talk" at the ku basketball camp.

At K-State they give AAU coaches $300,000 salaries.

 

Completely legal, and much less sleazy than paying a player's dad.  

How is paying a 20-something AAU coach $300,000 a year any more ethical than hiring a guy with a military and coaching background as the Director of Basketball Operations?  It's not like the job requires overwhelming coaching experience... hell, your head basketball coach probably has less coaching experience than Ronnie Chalmers. 

Ronnie Chalmers is a dad from Alaska who coached his kid.  Let's compare the two resumes, since ku fans like to pump up this Chamlers guy as being "qualified".

Chalmers came to ku from Bartlett High School in Anchorage, Alaska, where he was the head basketball coach for five seasons.

Chalmers earned his bachelor's degree in business administration from Wayland Baptist University and his master's degree in human resource management and development from the University of La Verne (Calif.). His basketball coaching dates back to 1985, including assistant and head coaching stints with Air Force squads as well as high school and summer league teams.

5 years as a high school coach in ALASKA is the only real experience of substance here.  I like how they try to pimp his coaching of "Air Force squads".  What exactly are they talking about?  A recreational team made up of Air Force guys?  Like a base team?  LOL.  The high school are summer league stuff is just as laughable.  

Now Dalonte Hill's resume:

A three-year letterman at Charlotte from 1997-2000, Hill played on three postseason squads for the 49ers under head coaches Melvin Watkins and Bobby Lutz.  As a true freshman in 1997-98, he averaged 4.2 points and 2.9 rebounds in 26 games with one start for the 49ers in helping the squad to the second round of the NCAA Tournament with a 20-11 overall record.  As a sophomore, the team captured the 1999 Conference USA Tournament Championship and once again advanced to the NCAA Tournament second round with a 23-11 record.  During the 1999-2000 season, Hill averaged 6.2 points and 3.5 rebounds in 23 games with 11 starts in helping Charlotte earn a Postseason NIT bid with a 17-16 record.  

Hill joined the Kansas State staff on April 5, 2006 after spending three seasons as an assistant coach at his alma mater, Charlotte, under Bobby Lutz.  He helped guide the 49ers to a 61-30 (.760) overall record and three consecutive postseason appearances from 2003-06, including a pair of trips to the NCAA Tournament (2004, 2005).  Hill also helped the program to a share of the 2004 Conference USA regular season title as well as runner-up finishes in C-USA in 2005.

What's that, actual D1 playing and coaching experience?  

Prior to joining the college ranks, Hill served two years as the head coach of the AAU’s DC Assault.  

   

We're talking about Assault teams that would run through Alaska like warm butter.    



Now, explain to me again how Ronnie is more qualified?  


Another ku talking point destroyed.  

[Ben]

Please note when his aau coach was getting $2,000 (probably more under the table) to "talk" at the ku basketball camp.

At K-State they give AAU coaches $300,000 salaries.

 

Completely legal, and much less sleazy than paying a player's dad.  

How is paying a 20-something AAU coach $300,000 a year any more ethical than hiring a guy with a military and coaching background as the Director of Basketball Operations?  It's not like the job requires overwhelming coaching experience... hell, your head basketball coach probably has less coaching experience than Ronnie Chalmers. 

What is your guess on how many D-1 programs would hire 'te compared to how many would hire Ronnie (Post Ronnie's son playing and post Beasley)?

I think the better question would be: who in their right mind would hire FRANK MARTIN as their head basketball coach?  If it wasn't for Huggins leaving your basketball program hung out to dry, you would have never even considered FRANK MARTIN as a head coach.  

 

[steve dave]

Please note when his aau coach was getting $2,000 (probably more under the table) to "talk" at the ku basketball camp.

At K-State they give AAU coaches $300,000 salaries.

 

Completely legal, and much less sleazy than paying a player's dad.  

How is paying a 20-something AAU coach $300,000 a year any more ethical than hiring a guy with a military and coaching background as the Director of Basketball Operations?  It's not like the job requires overwhelming coaching experience... hell, your head basketball coach probably has less coaching experience than Ronnie Chalmers. 

What is your guess on how many D-1 programs would hire 'te compared to how many would hire Ronnie (Post Ronnie's son playing and post Beasley)?

I think the better question would be: who in their right mind would hire FRANK MARTIN as their head basketball coach?  If it wasn't for Huggins leaving your basketball program hung out to dry, you would have never even considered FRANK MARTIN as a head coach.  

 

So you agree with the answer being most of them for 'te and ZERO for Ronnie?

[Saulbadguy]

Ed Manning.

[catzacker]

I just want to know in ku's recruitment (since '04) when they first received his transcripts and/or some documentation on his grades.  If, for some reason, they never, ever checked on his grades until after 9/01/05 (the fall of his senior year) then i'll buy the "we didn't know" talking point.  

[sys]

Sys, if Arthur had went to Baylor and this broke, you would be all over them and ridiculing Drew for being a sleezeball and a cheater

true, but not relevant to the present discussion.

[sonofdaxjones]

I hope Ben has a good shoulder surgeon as he once again attempts to reach for something to point back at K-State. 

[Ben]

'Pad, my posts are in direct response to some of your comments.  You want to talk about AAU coaches getting paid... fine, but don't be a little bitch when I point out the fact that your school pays an AAU coach $300,000 a year to bring in a bunch of kids from the DC Assault.

[steve dave]

'Pad, my posts are in direct response to some of your comments.  You want to talk about AAU coaches getting paid... fine, but don't be a little bitch when I point out the fact that your school pays an AAU coach $300,000 a year to bring in a bunch of kids from the DC Assault.

He coached D-1 for THREE YEARS prior to coming to KSU.  How much D-1 exp. did Ronnie have?

[Pete]

'Pad, my posts are in direct response to some of your comments.  You want to talk about AAU coaches getting paid... fine, but don't be a little bitch when I point out the fact that your school pays an AAU coach $300,000 a year to bring in a bunch of kids from the DC Assault.

What does any of that have to do with the topic of this thread?

[catzacker]

There's no doubt that arthur's life is better than it probably would have been had the teacher/principal/arthur not committed academic fraud.  He'd be coming out of JC ball right now instead of going top 15 in the lottery and I don't think anything will come of this, but I do find it all extremely amusing.  No f'ing way Bill didn't know Arthur was struggling academically and no f'ing way Bill didn't know that somehow, someway overnight Arthur all of a sudden wasn't struggling academically.  He probably didn't ask the question which is smart from a plausible deniability stand point.

[Ben]

'Pad, my posts are in direct response to some of your comments.  You want to talk about AAU coaches getting paid... fine, but don't be a little bitch when I point out the fact that your school pays an AAU coach $300,000 a year to bring in a bunch of kids from the DC Assault.

He coached D-1 for THREE YEARS prior to coming to KSU.  How much D-1 exp. did Ronnie have?

Ronnie isn't making $300,000 a year, and he's not an assistant coach.  You go ahead and tell me how much experience and credentials are required for the job of Director of Basketball Operations.  Over 20 years of coaching experience to go along with a military background would seem sufficient, if you ask me.

[steve dave]

There's no doubt that arthur's life is better than it probably would have been had the teacher/principal/arthur not committed academic fraud.  He'd be coming out of JC ball right now instead of going top 15 in the lottery and I don't think anything will come of this, but I do find it all extremely amusing.  No f'ing way Bill didn't know Arthur was struggling academically and no f'ing way Bill didn't know that somehow, someway overnight Arthur all of a sudden wasn't struggling academically.  He probably didn't ask the question which is smart from a plausible deniability stand point.

After getting your hand slapped numerous times reaching into the cookie jar you adjust your cookie stealing game plan to avoid said handslaps.

[Ben]

So now K-State fans have come full circle... it went from the high school's fault to Bill Self's in less than 30 minutes.

[sonofdaxjones]

Again, Dalonte Hill had 4 years of Division ONE assistant coaching experience prior to being named assistant head coach at K-State. 

Damn, you're such a hyper defensive little clueless bitch Ben. 

[Ben]

Again, Dalonte Hill had 4 years of Division ONE assistant coaching experience prior to being named assistant head coach at K-State. 

Damn, you're such a hyper defensive little clueless bitch Ben. 

Now who's getting defensive? 

[Saulbadguy]

So now K-State fans have come full circle... it went from the high school's fault to Bill Self's in less than 30 minutes.

It's just one of those things you assume when a basketball program is on probation as much as ku is.

[MonumentCat]

'Pad, my posts are in direct response to some of your comments.  You want to talk about AAU coaches getting paid... fine, but don't be a little bitch when I point out the fact that your school pays an AAU coach $300,000 a year to bring in a bunch of kids from the DC Assault.

He coached D-1 for THREE YEARS prior to coming to KSU.  How much D-1 exp. did Ronnie have?

Ronnie isn't making $300,000 a year, and he's not an assistant coach.  You go ahead and tell me how much experience and credentials are required for the job of Director of Basketball Operations.  Over 20 years of coaching experience to go along with a military background would seem sufficient, if you ask me.

You forgot the most important credential of all:  Having a highly rated basketball player as a son.

[Pete]

So now K-State fans have come full circle... it went from the high school's fault to Bill Self's in less than 30 minutes.

What?  When was it ever the high school's fault.

Arthur lied to the NCAA.  Plain and simple.  Games that he played in should be forfeited.  Only honorable thing to do.

[sonofdaxjones]

I am just clarifying reality for you Ben, you of course just can't accept the sleaze factor at ku, and always want to try (poorly) to point fingers back at K-State.  You're a typical "everybody does it" phogtard.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Ronnie isn't making $300,000 a year

How much is he making?

[dmartin]

if Arthur had so much trouble keeping his high school grades passable, how did he make it through 1.5 to 2 semesters at ku?

[catzacker]

So now K-State fans have come full circle... it went from the high school's fault to Bill Self's in less than 30 minutes.

I'm saying that Bill knew.  Unless you honestly believe that Bill never asked or got any documentation on Shady from the time of his initial recruitment ('04) until September of '05.  Seriously, that's what you're saying?  Bill never, ever knew that Shady had academic problems and how bad they were and then one day he walks into Shady's door and they are all gone?

[Ben]

So now K-State fans have come full circle... it went from the high school's fault to Bill Self's in less than 30 minutes.

It's just one of those things you assume when a basketball program is on probation as much as ku is.

Amazingly, ku and K-State are tied for the same number of major NCAA infractions... but don't let facts get in the way of your theory.