KSU Baseball

[Super PurpleCat]

Stick a fork in it.  Let's just do what CU and ISU did and kill it off.  What a waste of time, money, effort, space, thoughts, uniforms, everything.  Year after year at the bottom.  Pointless.

[fatty fat fat]

INCREDIBLY pointless.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well its probably not going to happen, not after $5 million has just been invested in new facilities, but this is getting to be absurd.   

[Super PurpleCat]

You know it's true.  More people watch KSU tennis than go to the Oxycontin Family Stadium to watch us lose 17-3 to random Louisiana schools in the freezing cold.

$5 million, lol.  Texas spends more than that on janitor bills to clean the Erwin Center on a weekend.

[sonofdaxjones]

I understand that in the grand scheme of things $5 million isn't that much.  But Oregon State won national titles and they are just now getting a facility that's maybe marginally better than TFS.   Plus, like I tried to tell the Powertards, K-State baseball doesn't really want for much when it comes to facilities.  Other schools have more seats, and maybe a nice clubhouse, but overall K-State baseball is no longer at any significant disadvantage.    MU's facilities for baseball aren't any better than K-State's and they're in 3rd place in the conference and likely headed to another NCAA tourney. 

[ksu_FAN]

So what's the deal with Hill?  I don't follow baseball a ton, but he seemed like he might be a decent hire when we got him.  Did we just miss?

[Saulbadguy]

So what's the deal with Hill?  I don't follow baseball a ton, but he seemed like he might be a decent hire when we got him.  Did we just miss?

Very SLTH-ish.

[Super PurpleCat]

I understand that in the grand scheme of things $5 million isn't that much.  But Oregon State won national titles and they are just now getting a facility that's maybe marginally better than TFS.   Plus, like I tried to tell the Powertards, K-State baseball doesn't really want for much when it comes to facilities.  Other schools have more seats, and maybe a nice clubhouse, but overall K-State baseball is no longer at any significant disadvantage.    MU's facilities for baseball aren't any better than K-State's and they're in 3rd place in the conference and likely headed to another NCAA tourney. 

Which illustrates why it's a waste of time, money, uniforms, thoughts, prayers, etc.  If it's that simple to compete, why are we always in dead last in a 10 team conference?  Why do we get pwn3d by everyone?  I don't even think we can beat Emporia State.  There's something so rotten with our baseball program that nothing can fix it.  We should do the honorable thing and kill it and join CU and ISU.  I mean if we aren't playing to win then what are we playing for?  Warm fuzzy feelings?

[sonofdaxjones]

It's too late now SPC, too much money has been spent.   They should have killed it in 1999. 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

I understand that in the grand scheme of things $5 million isn't that much.  But Oregon State won national titles and they are just now getting a facility that's maybe marginally better than TFS.   Plus, like I tried to tell the Powertards, K-State baseball doesn't really want for much when it comes to facilities.  Other schools have more seats, and maybe a nice clubhouse, but overall K-State baseball is no longer at any significant disadvantage.    MU's facilities for baseball aren't any better than K-State's and they're in 3rd place in the conference and likely headed to another NCAA tourney. 

Which illustrates why it's a waste of time, money, uniforms, thoughts, prayers, etc.  If it's that simple to compete, why are we always in dead last in a 10 team conference?  Why do we get pwn3d by everyone?  I don't even think we can beat Emporia State.  There's something so rotten with our baseball program that nothing can fix it.  We should do the honorable thing and kill it and join CU and ISU.  I mean if we aren't playing to win then what are we playing for?  Warm fuzzy feelings?

Coach clark Asburied the program for many years and no one gave a shat...including our ADs and President.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yeah, but I am not going to give Clark to much crap, because nobody in college baseball got the treatment that he did during his last 2 years at K-State. 

[Kat Kid]

Yeah, but I am not going to give Clark to much crap, because nobody in college baseball got the treatment that he did during his last 2 years at K-State. 

We should've just kept him on and kept the crappy facilities.  Do you see riots in the streets about Steve Bietau?  No.  Both should just stay on as long as they aren't doing anything illegal.

[sonofdaxjones]

A good baseball program can get a school a lot more notoriety than tennis could ever dream of . . . make and host a super regional and you could have ESPN parked on your campus broadcasting every night for days.   ESPN is turning the NCAA baseball tourney into a mini NCAA basketball tourney.   

[Kat Kid]

A good baseball program can get a school a lot more notoriety than tennis could ever dream of . . . make and host a super regional and you could have ESPN parked on your campus broadcasting every night for days.   ESPN is turning the NCAA baseball tourney into a mini NCAA basketball tourney.   

Outside of Texas and Nebraska I doubt it has any effect whatsoever.

It doesn't make revenue, it isn't a minor league (like college b-ball/f-ball) which could get you constant notoriety for having a super-star and it takes up male schollies.

Really one of the worst sports to have.  K-State would be TONS better off with women's soccer/softball than with men's baseball.

[tfurn]

you are all retarded if you don't recognize the talent that is on this team and at the same time how horribly hill has done with the players he has brought in...i know one of the managers for the junction city generals and he has told me several times how scouts are loving 3-4 players on the team and how those 3-4 guys could all be drafted in the top 15 rounds with justin murray looking like a 6th rounder depending on how he handles his mental lapses in league play

[sonofdaxjones]

So what??  If K-State isn't going to hire a competent coach to "coach up" all this so called talent, then why bother having a team??

Kat Kid, I disagree to a certain extent, but you make some valid points.   

[waks]

So what??  If K-State isn't going to hire a competent coach to "coach up" all this so called talent, then why bother having a team??

Kat Kid, I disagree to a certain extent, but you make some valid points.   

But wasn't the Hill hire actually a pretty good one? I thought he had won two straight titles in Division 2... How long has he been here anyway?

[sonofdaxjones]

So what??  If K-State isn't going to hire a competent coach to "coach up" all this so called talent, then why bother having a team??

Kat Kid, I disagree to a certain extent, but you make some valid points.   

But wasn't the Hill hire actually a pretty good one? I thought he had won two straight titles in Division 2... How long has he been here anyway?

This is season 4 I believe.  He won at least 1 DII title at CMSU.  It sure "looked" like a good hire.

[Super PurpleCat]

you are all retarded if you don't recognize the talent that is on this team and at the same time how horribly hill has done with the players he has brought in...i know one of the managers for the junction city generals and he has told me several times how scouts are loving 3-4 players on the team and how those 3-4 guys could all be drafted in the top 15 rounds with justin murray looking like a 6th rounder depending on how he handles his mental lapses in league play

I must be stupid-retarded because all I see are losing seasons piling up like balls of Gene Wilder's dandruff.  I could care less what kind of talent is on the team, because if I was foolish enough to care about anything this team does I would've slit my wrists to some Cure tunes years ago.

[tfurn]

ok, honestly i'm way too drunk to respnod to this but i;'m going to anyways...if you look at guys like byron wiley (offered schollies by baylor, LSU, and texas), justin murray (6'4" 220#, rh starter that throws a sick 2 seam 94-95 mph and has a sick slider, decent changeup and somewhat effective deuce), justin bloxom (great young contact hitter that has power and produce some runs) adam muenster (if he can live up to some of the promise he showed last spring)....i should pobably stop now, or else you might actually go and WATCH each individual play as a person instead of a team, because this "team" lost that aspect before this season ever started

[catdude33]

i should pobably stop now, or else you might actually go and WATCH each individual play as a person instead of a team, because this "team" lost that aspect before this season ever started

You could probably go on forever and I would never even think about attending a K-State baseball game.  I went to school there for 5 years and never went to a game so I don't see myself going to check out some 15th round contact hitter.  College baseball is completely worthless.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

the cold hard fact is that this admin doesn't give a crap that Hill isn't talented enough to coach the 17'ers.  I would bet a significant sum that he is still coaching at KSU in 2010 and KSU is still playing sloppy, ass grabbing baseball and still finishing last.

[Super PurpleCat]

College baseball is one of the most retarded sports in the NCAA.  The NCAA looks the other way while the season starts when more than half the country is still covered in snow.  The only place it is "blowing up" are at the handful of sunny-state schools where it is popular.  And the ESPN goons who covered the CWS (which is only popular because guess what other sport events are on at the time?  That's right, nothing) can slobber all over that small little school from California/Louisiana/Texas/Florida to show how open, clean and competitive the sport is.  Unless you're in any major conference not called the Big 10, Big East or anything north of Miami, Baylor of Cal-State Fullerton.  You know what a "large" baseball crowd is?  5,000 whoopin' Aggies on a Wednesday night.  In other words, the size of a Nebraska women's volleyball crowd.

Give the scholarships to the basketball team and shut it down.

[ksu_FAN]

College baseball is one of the most retarded sports in the NCAA.  The NCAA looks the other way while the season starts when more than half the country is still covered in snow.  The only place it is "blowing up" are at the handful of sunny-state schools where it is popular.  And the ESPN goons who covered the CWS (which is only popular because guess what other sport events are on at the time?  That's right, nothing) can slobber all over that small little school from California/Louisiana/Texas/Florida to show how open, clean and competitive the sport is.  Unless you're in any major conference not called the Big 10, Big East or anything north of Miami, Baylor of Cal-State Fullerton.  You know what a "large" baseball crowd is?  5,000 whoopin' Aggies on a Wednesday night.  In other words, the size of a Nebraska women's volleyball crowd.

Give the scholarships to the basketball team and shut it down.

You didn't even touch on the partial scholarships business.  The numbers of scholarships for a team (usually 30 or more players) is 11.78.

"You look really good.  We might be able to give you 3/4 of a scholarship."

[sonofdaxjones]

K-State can't just "move the scholarships"  . . . the other sports at K-State give out the total scholarship totals they are allowed.  In order to stay full time D1 K-state would have to start another sport, and since K-State is at the minimum for full time D1 status now, it may even have to be another men's sport.

So . . . Wrestling??  Men's Tennis??

[Skycat]

This is season 4 I believe.  He won at least 1 DII title at CMSU.  It sure "looked" like a good hire.

I knew a guy (brother of a good friend) that played for his NC team.  He thought Hill would be a success at K-State.

Looks like he was wrong.

[Skycat]

So . . . Wrestling??  Men's Tennis??

With the relatively high quality of youth wrestling in the state, and the low facility/equipment cost that I assume goes with it, wrestling would seem like a natural.

[sonofdaxjones]

I looked it up, to be a full time D1 program, you have to have at least 14 sports covering all seasons (fall, winter, summer) it can be 7 and 7 men/women or 6 and 8 men/women.    To be full time D1, a school has to offer a minimum dollar amount of grants in aid (scholarships, rides etc. etc.) .

[catzacker]

Drop baseball.  Add Wrestling. More or at least equal in state talent and less operating costs. 

[waks]

We need to add wrestling and softball as our next sports. It's stupid that we don't have either sport when tons of talent come out of the state every year in each. Numerous national champions have came out of Kansas for wrestling.