The plan...(to keep KSUFANS alive)

[waks]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

How much traffic are you talking about?

How big is your server?

Dual Xeon, 2G ecc, 750GB HD Raid5...its a shared platform running CentOS with PLESK and mod_security, mod_evasive, mod_dosevasive and ossec-hids.  Very secure.  don't have to worry about sql-injections.  i only have 3 domains on it now as it's just a hobby i'm trying to get going. 

No offense, but I don't think we should leave this site at the mercy of a ku fan.   

I agree, fwiw. This guy might even be real cool but I don't think we should leave it in the hands of anyone that might have an ulterior motive at anytime.

[JavaCat]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

Well, if you start low and it doesn't work out, most hosting sites can give you the load measurements to figure out what you need to upgrade to. So you start low, go over the CPU usage policy, find out your load measurements, and then are better able to make a decision on what service you need. You then upgrade to a higher service with the money of the basic plan for the first month going into the increase for the VPS or dedicated service.

[Saulbadguy]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

Well, if you start low and it doesn't work out, most hosting sites can give you the load measurements to figure out what you need to upgrade to. So you start low, go over the CPU usage policy, find out your load measurements, and then are better able to make a decision on what service you need. You then upgrade to a higher service with the money of the basic plan for the first month going into the increase for the VPS or dedicated service.

Agree - but I think we have different ideas of what low may be.  I'm thinking around 40-60 a month to start.  I think a $60 plan may be fine. 

[waks]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

Well, if you start low and it doesn't work out, most hosting sites can give you the load measurements to figure out what you need to upgrade to. So you start low, go over the CPU usage policy, find out your load measurements, and then are better able to make a decision on what service you need. You then upgrade to a higher service with the money of the basic plan for the first month going into the increase for the VPS or dedicated service.

Agree - but I think we have different ideas of what low may be.  I'm thinking around 40-60 a month to start.  I think a $60 plan may be fine. 

You sure the wife will let you put up $50-100 a month for a message board?

[j@yh@wks]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

How much traffic are you talking about?

How big is your server?

Dual Xeon, 2G ecc, 750GB HD Raid5...its a shared platform running CentOS with PLESK and mod_security, mod_evasive, mod_dosevasive and ossec-hids.  Very secure.  don't have to worry about sql-injections.  i only have 3 domains on it now as it's just a hobby i'm trying to get going. 

No offense, but I don't think we should leave this site at the mercy of a ku fan.   

I agree, fwiw. This guy might even be real cool but I don't think we should leave it in the hands of anyone that might have an ulterior motive at anytime.

So you only want a host that's a KSU fan???  My "real" life has nothing to do with my "sports fan" life. 

[Saulbadguy]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

Well, if you start low and it doesn't work out, most hosting sites can give you the load measurements to figure out what you need to upgrade to. So you start low, go over the CPU usage policy, find out your load measurements, and then are better able to make a decision on what service you need. You then upgrade to a higher service with the money of the basic plan for the first month going into the increase for the VPS or dedicated service.

Agree - but I think we have different ideas of what low may be.  I'm thinking around 40-60 a month to start.  I think a $60 plan may be fine. 

You sure the wife will let you put up $50-100 a month for a message board?

Yeah.  The ad revenues will pay for it.

[j@yh@wks]

i won't cost you 50 -100/month to start off either 

[waks]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

How much traffic are you talking about?

How big is your server?

Dual Xeon, 2G ecc, 750GB HD Raid5...its a shared platform running CentOS with PLESK and mod_security, mod_evasive, mod_dosevasive and ossec-hids.  Very secure.  don't have to worry about sql-injections.  i only have 3 domains on it now as it's just a hobby i'm trying to get going. 

No offense, but I don't think we should leave this site at the mercy of a ku fan.   

I agree, fwiw. This guy might even be real cool but I don't think we should leave it in the hands of anyone that might have an ulterior motive at anytime.

So you only want a host that's a KSU fan???  My "real" life has nothing to do with my "sports fan" life. 

I'm just saying. I don't want somebody running this site to all of a sudden get upset with the content and start banning people or threatening to shut it down. That's not what this site is for.

[j@yh@wks]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

How much traffic are you talking about?

How big is your server?

Dual Xeon, 2G ecc, 750GB HD Raid5...its a shared platform running CentOS with PLESK and mod_security, mod_evasive, mod_dosevasive and ossec-hids.  Very secure.  don't have to worry about sql-injections.  i only have 3 domains on it now as it's just a hobby i'm trying to get going. 

No offense, but I don't think we should leave this site at the mercy of a ku fan.   

I agree, fwiw. This guy might even be real cool but I don't think we should leave it in the hands of anyone that might have an ulterior motive at anytime.

So you only want a host that's a KSU fan???  My "real" life has nothing to do with my "sports fan" life. 

I'm just saying. I don't want somebody running this site to all of a sudden get upset with the content and start banning people or threatening to shut it down. That's not what this site is for.

you missed my earlier posts.  I DO NOT want to run ksufans.com.  Only host it.  See i get a good traffic site like this on my new server i get a little bit of word-of-mouth of my new server and maybe get a few more domains on it. 

[j@yh@wks]

and my most expensive plan is cheaper than 50 - 100

[Saulbadguy]

and my most expensive plan is cheaper than 50 - 100

Well, do you think your server can handle it?  We could try it out.

[Saulbadguy]

Once I can get the usage stats, i'll send them to you.

[j@yh@wks]

and my most expensive plan is cheaper than 50 - 100

Well, do you think your server can handle it?  We could try it out.

it's a Dual Xeon machine which translates to 8 cores.  It's sitting at 100% idle on 7 cores and 99% idle on the other.  so yeah i would guess it could handle it.  I may have to upgrade the RAM a bit if the site gets draggy. MJROD> if i can ask what are the hardware specs it's on now.

[j@yh@wks]

also is the DB mysql?

[mjrod]

and my most expensive plan is cheaper than 50 - 100

Well, do you think your server can handle it?  We could try it out.

it's a Dual Xeon machine which translates to 8 cores.  It's sitting at 100% idle on 7 cores and 99% idle on the other.  so yeah i would guess it could handle it.  I may have to upgrade the RAM a bit if the site gets draggy. MJROD> if i can ask what are the hardware specs it's on now.

Your machine has much more capability than mine.

My issue is the bandwidth.  You sound like you have a partial T-3?

The database is MySQL and it runs PHP.  Currently runs on Windows 2000 server, 4 GB of RAM.   The slowness during peak times is a combination of bandwidth and CPU utilization.

[fatty fat fat]

fitting a jawhawk has a more capable situation.


 

[j@yh@wks]

and my most expensive plan is cheaper than 50 - 100

Well, do you think your server can handle it?  We could try it out.

it's a Dual Xeon machine which translates to 8 cores.  It's sitting at 100% idle on 7 cores and 99% idle on the other.  so yeah i would guess it could handle it.  I may have to upgrade the RAM a bit if the site gets draggy. MJROD> if i can ask what are the hardware specs it's on now.

Your machine has much more capability than mine.

My issue is the bandwidth.  You sound like you have a partial T-3?

The database is MySQL and it runs PHP.  Currently runs on Windows 2000 server, 4 GB of RAM.   The slowness during peak times is a combination of bandwidth and CPU utilization.

Yeah its fract DS3 20M burst to 45M.  I have apache 2, mysql5 and php5 on it. 

[sonofdaxjones]

jayhawks . . . you're paying for this 20Mbps out of your own pocket??

[Saulbadguy]

jayhawks . . . you're paying for this 20Mbps out of your own pocket??

He's probably stealing it.  Sad...

[j@yh@wks]

jayhawks . . . you're paying for this 20Mbps out of your own pocket??

He's probably stealing it.  Sad...

actually my employer pays for it.  I work for an ISP here in nebraska.  and yes..they do know i have a server hooked into it.  I have 2 of my own here actually.  perk of the job.

[jeffy]

So the first time the next Bucknell or Bradley comes along, the new hamster will mysteriously die?  Not sure I like the sound of that.

[Saulbadguy]

jayhawks . . . you're paying for this 20Mbps out of your own pocket??

He's probably stealing it.  Sad...

actually my employer pays for it.  I work for an ISP here in nebraska.  and yes..they do know i have a server hooked into it.  I have 2 of my own here actually.  perk of the job.

Link to their plans? 

[j@yh@wks]

So the first time the next Bucknell or Bradley comes along, the new hamster will mysteriously die?  Not sure I like the sound of that.

i really hope you don't think i'm that kind of person.  If whom ever is going to run the site wants to talk with me first i'm ok with that. 

[JavaCat]

MJ just provided a hell of a lot of needed info.

Saul, how are you going to afford all that off of $500 up front and google ads?  Promo costs can be eliminated and some of the labor costs can be done pro bono by members, but it still looks bleak.

MJROD's costs were much higher than what ours will be.  I plan on choosing a host that will provide all of that stuff in an up front monthly fee. You see, the hosting services provide the licenses needed for all that software, plus the bandwidth, and server, for a monthly fee. I'm looking to spend around $50-$100 a month on a hosting service. 

Why he didn't choose to do that earlier, I don't know.  Not my concern. 

Why are you looking to start the site with a hosting company that will charge $50-$100 a month when you could most likely go much cheaper and have the same results?  Seems like I would start low and move up if necessary. If you start high, you'll never know if paying a lot less would've been just as satisfactory as far as performance goes. If you start with some basic service at less than $10/month or even a business service at $20/month, if the site violates some CPU usage policy or whatever policy they have in place, at that time you can move up to a dedicated service (or VPS) with very little inconvenience.

I can guarantee you that a cheaper host will shut us down within days.  I'm hoping a VPS will offer us a viable solution.  I'm investigating different services, but i'm all ears if you have some recommendations.  I'm really hoping we do not need a full blown dedicated server, plus i'm hoping we don't have to scale down some of the features in order to save money. 

Well, if you start low and it doesn't work out, most hosting sites can give you the load measurements to figure out what you need to upgrade to. So you start low, go over the CPU usage policy, find out your load measurements, and then are better able to make a decision on what service you need. You then upgrade to a higher service with the money of the basic plan for the first month going into the increase for the VPS or dedicated service.

Agree - but I think we have different ideas of what low may be.  I'm thinking around 40-60 a month to start.  I think a $60 plan may be fine. 

If you think you won't have to ask again for money in the near future when you're paying $50-$100/month then that's cool, but most web host companies won't drop your site if you exceed some limit. You'll be put on a stabilization server with the ability to upgrade if that's what you have to do. Just seems better to me to spend $20-$40 and find out what your load is and then go from there instead of starting too high and wasting money.

[j@yh@wks]

jayhawks . . . you're paying for this 20Mbps out of your own pocket??

He's probably stealing it.  Sad...

actually my employer pays for it.  I work for an ISP here in nebraska.  and yes..they do know i have a server hooked into it.  I have 2 of my own here actually.  perk of the job.

Link to their plans? 

here is their site www.kdsi.net ....my "temp" site for my server is www.atomicsecuredhosting.com (mind you it's still in construction phase)

[jeffy]

So the first time the next Bucknell or Bradley comes along, the new hamster will mysteriously die?  Not sure I like the sound of that.

i really hope you don't think i'm that kind of person.  If whom ever is going to run the site wants to talk with me first i'm ok with that. 

You're a Jayhawk.  All Jayhawks are bad.... even the one I'm married to.

[sonofdaxjones]

So do they have all of their traffic going out on that Frac DS3??  What transport method are they using?? Frame, ATM, MPLS??  Who is the provider?? 

[steve dave]

jayhawks . . . you're paying for this 20Mbps out of your own pocket??

He's probably stealing it.  Sad...

actually my employer pays for it.  I work for an ISP here in nebraska.  and yes..they do know i have a server hooked into it.  I have 2 of my own here actually.  perk of the job.

Link to their plans? 

here is their site www.kdsi.net ....my "temp" site for my server is www.atomicsecuredhosting.com (mind you it's still in construction phase)

Is that a picture of you?  I could prob. take you in our pending fight if I really work out for a while.

[sonofdaxjones]

steve is that going to be a death or cage match, if not both??

[j@yh@wks]

So do they have all of their traffic going out on that Frac DS3??  What transport method are they using?? Frame, ATM, MPLS??  Who is the provider?? 

We have 2 DS3's, one through Qwest and one through Windstream (Qwest is our main highway) using ATM.