J-Po with Wefald

[PCR]

After seeing the uneducated clown that CU just hired to run their "University", I have to say that I'm exceedingly proud to have a guy like Wefald around for 20 years.  He turned the school from a laughingstock to a place that people are actually proud to be associated with now.  The Faculty salaries suck, and I think that's a major sticking point with his administration, but on the whole it's been a very impressive turnaround in all aspects. 

Oh I loved this from the article:

Then Huggins came in to talk with Wefald and Weiser. He said his alma mater, West Virginia, wanted him to come back as coach. They talked for three hours, and when the discussion ended, Wefald felt sure that Huggins would stay. He left anyway.

“I was …” Wefald begins, and then he stares at the wall for 10 seconds, 15 seconds, as he tries to come up with the right word. “I was … disappointed. Is that the right word? … I like Bob. I still like him. I just talked to him yesterday. But, yes, I felt like we had given him an opportunity, a chance to come back, he would tell you that himself. So I was … I’m having trouble coming up with the right word.”


I think I know what word you were groping for....   

[mjrod]

That's right mj.

I was around when K-State was headed down the drain under Duane Acker, so I appreciate Wefald for that. 

But because he convinced Bill Snyder to come to K-State (He didn't find Bill Snyder by-the-way) he deluded himself into thinking that he was an athletic director, same with Bob Krause.   Thus we ended up with a roll over contract with Tom Asbury, a 6 year run of Mediocrity with Jim Wooldridge, and the Jon Wefald social experiment with Ron Prince. 

For those that liked Tim Weiser (and I did on certain things) you can thank Jon Wefald and Bob Krause for Weiser no longer being the K-State AD.

I'm beginning to think that ku fans might have some merit into you being delusional.

I thought Weiser got a new job?  You think he was pushed out because Wefald wants Krause in there?

And it was Steve Miller that was the AD at the time when Snyder was hired.   It was Miller that wanted Snyder and Krause was not exactly sure it was a good hire.   In fact, it was Krause that wanted to look for a proven coach to begin with.

[feralchat]

He's odd but overall he's been very positive for K-State. He came to Manhattan when the school was seeing declining enrollment and about to be tossed out of the Big-8.
He's missed on occassion -- his failed 1990 university reorganization scheme probably cost him the opportunity to move on to the U. of Minnesota (and then there's Prince) -- but when he gets fixated on a goal, it gets done.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I tend to think that there are good reasons behind why certain individuals are sitting in big chairs making big decisions.  

I also think that there are good reasons why some people choose to voice their criticism through channels that grant the comfort and safety of anonymity.  

[sonofdaxjones]

You're mixing things up mj (big surprise).

I'll bullet point this for you:

-Wefald let Snyder's success delude him into thinking he should continue to exert great influence over KSU's future coaching hires . . . this lead K-State basketball down the road of its worst run since prior to Jack Gardner.

-Steve Miller and Jim Epps found Bill Snyder.  In regards to Krause his "influence" really didn't come along until later.

-Okay, if you don't want to believe that Wefald/Krause didn't lock horns with Weiser over a contract extension for a certain football coach, than by all means you can believe that.

Jesus . . . I'll put you squarely in the corner of those that think Jon Wefald is bigger than K-State until further notice.  Mj is right there with you.

[mjrod]

You're mixing things up mj (big surprise).

Perhaps in detail, not in view point.. you have a knack for tabloid cynicism.

I'll bullet point this for you:

-Wefald let Snyder's success delude him into thinking he should continue to exert great influence over KSU's future coaching hires . . . this lead K-State basketball down the road of its worst run since prior to Jack Gardner.

Who cares.  When K-State had a football program, the university benefited from the exposure more than basketball.   You cannot deny that.   It was sad that the university let it's traditional program go down, but on the other hand,  the national exposure by the football program has done more for the university than any other feat.

-Steve Miller and Jim Epps found Bill Snyder.  In regards to Krause his "influence" really didn't come along until later.

My bad.  Either way, it was Miller looking to get Snyder.  Epps wanted a more proven coach.  I remember the newspaper article I read a couple years afterwards regarding the hire pretty well.

-Okay, if you don't want to believe that Wefald/Krause didn't lock horns with Weiser over a contract extension for a certain football coach, than by all means you can believe that.

That wasn't the issue.   The issue was that Wefald got another job at the Big 12 office and somehow you've managed to take an issue and cast it as being THE reason he's gone.   I know of SEVERAL disagreements between Wefald and Weiser that have occurred.   It's not like Weiser didn't have opportunities to leave before.  I could easily say "sonofdaxjones was ultimately responsible for Weiser leaving because he became a huge thorn in his side and that started the spiraling downfall of the AD."

Jesus . . . I'll put you squarely in the corner of those that think Jon Wefald is bigger than K-State until further notice.  Mj is right there with you.

I didn't say he was.  I was merely commenting on what he's done for K-State, something you don't deny.  He's just got an ego that competes with yours.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well, from what I understand, Weiser wasn't interested in the Big 12 job, and when JW and BK were pressuring him to give a football coach a contract extension which he didn't feel was warranted, he pro actively sought out the Big 12 job.   It was quite a little blowup.

[mjrod]

Well, from what I understand, Weiser wasn't interested in the Big 12 job, and when JW and BK were pressuring him to give a football coach a contract extension which he didn't feel was warranted, he pro actively sought out the Big 12 job.   It was quite a little blowup.

Weiser had told family and friends he was going to take the job but didn't want to leave until the NCAA finished it's investigation.

He told Wefald that he wasn't going to extend Ron's contract until another couple of years passed, and explained his position.   It was never heated.  Your source probably is the same one that is running around telling anyone that will listen.   I've heard that story about three times and twice as many have said it didn't happen.

You can put two and two together anyway you like, but you and I both know you're just hoping this red-herring will be bigger than it is.

[treysolid]

i hate to step in the middle of a good 'rod/dax showdown, but i have a nugget about the weef you may or may not have known.  wefald is a HUGE germophobe.  all those "dude, wash your hands" posters in the bathrooms around campus are due mainly to him.  the guy who does that research was giving a talk here, wefald went to see the talk, talked with the guy privately afterward, and then made him an offer he couldn't refuse.

[sonofdaxjones]

So are you invited to the Weefers house for the big send off celebration for Weiser??   Because the Weef's comments after the Weiser announcement while nice, weren't exactly ringing of any sense of loss.

 "Twice as many" . . . interesting.  I can only imagine what that crowd consists of . . . any in the PPM?? (Powertard Propaganda Ministry).

I'd attempt to explain why the Weefer and Krause were emphatic about a contract extension, but that would likely be considered another "red herring" in your eyes MJ.

But let us not forget, that the Board of Regents hired Weefer to do exactly what he did.  So congrats to him for executing a plan to make it happen, but lets remember he did EXACTLY what he was told to do when he was hired.

[mjrod]

So are you invited to the Weefers house for the big send off celebration for Weiser??   Because the Weef's comments after the Weiser announcement while nice, weren't exactly ringing of any sense of loss.

No, and I'm sure you didn't get one either, so I'm not exactly sure what that all means, except I know you're trying to read as much as you can to validate your belief that something nefarious is going in Anderson Hall.   Your cynicism is high today.

"Twice as many" . . . interesting.  I can only imagine what that crowd consists of . . . any in the PPM?? (Powertard Propaganda Ministry).

LOL.  Yep, all the koolaid drinkers are dax's enemy.  Funny stuff.

I'd attempt to explain why the Weefer and Krause were emphatic about a contract extension, but that would likely be considered another "red herring" in your eyes MJ.

I never disputed that.  I disputed your view that was why Weiser is gone and that the discussion was heated exchange on the subject.    As of yet, you've really offered nothing of substance to prove your point.

But let us not forget, that the Board of Regents hired Weefer to do exactly what he did.  So congrats to him for executing a plan to make it happen, but lets remember he did EXACTLY what he was told to do when he was hired.

You think?  Imagine that.  Somebody doing what they're hired to do.   Can't explain how much smarter I am for reading that statement from you.

[sonofdaxjones]

On that last bit . . . that's why I roll my eyes everytime somebody acts like K-State is going to fall off the planet if the Weefer retires.   The point was . . . hello, the guy was hired and told to get enrollment up and improve football.   It wasn't rocket surgery.

Plus, you've offered no substance to refute my point . . . unless you consider "I've heard from twice as many . . . " substance.   

The Weef and Bob were all paranoid that Weiser was going to do what he did to Huggins and not proactively offer him a pay raise and contract extension, and offer his staff a pay raise . . . so they were all up Weiser's ass to give Ronnie a contract extension, and Timmy didn't take to that too well. 

I know Powertard logic dictates that Huggins had already made up his mind to go to West Virginia, but in reality, he hadn't at first, but it sure made it a lot easier when Huggins got pissed about the fact that Weiser hadn't so much as hinted at any kind of pay raise/contract extension et. al. 

Oh wait, that's probably not enough "substance".

[mjrod]

On that last bit . . . that's why I roll my eyes everytime somebody acts like K-State is going to fall off the planet if the Weefer retires.   The point was . . . hello, the guy was hired and told to get enrollment up and improve football.   It wasn't rocket surgery.

Plus, you've offered no substance to refute my point . . . unless you consider "I've heard from twice as many . . . " substance.   

The Weef and Bob were all paranoid that Weiser was going to do what he did to Huggins and not proactively offer him a pay raise and contract extension, and offer his staff a pay raise . . . so they were all up Weiser's ass to give Ronnie a contract extension, and Timmy didn't take to that too well. 

I know Powertard logic dictates that Huggins had already made up his mind to go to West Virginia, but in reality, he hadn't at first, but it sure made it a lot easier when Huggins got pissed about the fact that Weiser hadn't so much as hinted at any kind of pay raise/contract extension et. al. 

Oh wait, that's probably not enough "substance".

You haven't backed up your "assertion" that Weiser is gone because Wefald wanted to give Ron a contract extension.    All  you have done is thrown in more meaningless and irrelevant discussion about what Wefald's purpose is.   Gee, do you think for a moment that when someone is hired as a university President, that there are no goals?   Come on Dax, stop acting like you just discovered this.

To support your original assertion, you're now adding Huggins leaving, and implying that it was somehow Weiser's fault for not giving pay raises?   You could get a job for the National Enquirer!

LOL!

Come on Dax, people aren't stupid.  No one is going to buy this argument, especially since Ron Prince was WEISER'S hire..

Funny stuff.

[sonofdaxjones]

I didn't say that was the entire reason Rod . . . god damn, seriously.  Can you comprehend??  Now, you can chose to believe that or not, but it comes from someone who would know.  Someone who was actually inside the Huggins' house during the last couple of days at KSU.

Plus, if you think Ron Prince was truly Weiser's hire, than you're just not thinking very clearly Rod.  You've let the PPM creep into your brain.

Plus, I never once said there wouldn't be any "goals" for a University President.  I am merely saying the guy was hired and given about 3 or 4 specific mandates by the Board of Regents.  He did them, good for him, I am glad he did.  But at some point he started to think he was really the Athletic Director because the football prime directive was pulled off under his watch. 

Overall, I like the guy, like what he's done for KSU.  I just get tired of the PPM and others thinking the guy is untouchable. 

[waks]

I didn't say that was the entire reason Rod . . . god damn, seriously.  Can you comprehend??  Now, you can chose to believe that or not, but it comes from someone who would know.  Someone who was actually inside the Huggins' house during the last couple of days at KSU.

Garth?


 

[Dirty Sanchez]

wefald is such a tard.

You have managed to make yourself the boards most uninformed asshole.

Congratulations.

seriously he's a tard.  the faculty hate him.  he also guest lectured one of my hist. classes back in the day and sucked a large dick.

Most likely because you didn't like history class rather than him being bad.  It was most likely a lecture about the Mongols.  I attended that one back in the day.  One of the more engaging class lectures I've ever witnessed.

[sonofdaxjones]

The Weefer isn't particularly popular within the departmental ranks at K-State.   Remember when he tried to get rid of the College of Architecture??

[sys]

Most likely because you didn't like history class rather than him being bad.  It was most likely a lecture about the Mongols.  I attended that one back in the day.  One of the more engaging class lectures I've ever witnessed.

i liked all my history classes quite a bit.  on this particular occasion, my class had to miss one of dr. mcculloh's lectures (great lecturer) so that wefald could get his ego fix for the day.  and of course it was his mongol speech.  it's probably the only thing he knows.  it's a retarded lecture.

[catdude33]

MBTOAT.

[Dirty Sanchez]

Despite being a history grad, I never had the opportunity to take one of his classes, so I don't know how he compares.  The Mongol lecture is important because the expansion of their empire was so important to history, but there really is no coverage of it at KSU. 

I'm just glad he didn't bring up Rhodes, Marshall, Truman and Goldwater scholarships won by the Mongols.

[sys]

Despite being a history grad.

i minored.

[Rick Daris]

On that last bit . . . that's why I roll my eyes everytime somebody acts like K-State is going to fall off the planet if the Weefer retires.   The point was . . . hello, the guy was hired and told to get enrollment up and improve football.  It wasn't rocket surgery.

Plus, you've offered no substance to refute my point . . . unless you consider "I've heard from twice as many . . . " substance.   

The Weef and Bob were all paranoid that Weiser was going to do what he did to Huggins and not proactively offer him a pay raise and contract extension, and offer his staff a pay raise . . . so they were all up Weiser's ass to give Ronnie a contract extension, and Timmy didn't take to that too well. 

I know Powertard logic dictates that Huggins had already made up his mind to go to West Virginia, but in reality, he hadn't at first, but it sure made it a lot easier when Huggins got pissed about the fact that Weiser hadn't so much as hinted at any kind of pay raise/contract extension et. al. 

Oh wait, that's probably not enough "substance".

Talk about a specialized field. Probably pretty lucrative too as long as you don't take medicaid.

[sonofdaxjones]

I understand you can get an online PHd in Rocket Surgery.

[mjrod]

I didn't say that was the entire reason Rod . . . god damn, seriously.  Can you comprehend??  Now, you can chose to believe that or not, but it comes from someone who would know.  Someone who was actually inside the Huggins' house during the last couple of days at KSU.

No, your original claim was that Weiser is not here thanks to Wefald, and the two issues you brought to light implies those were the reasons.. Huggins not happy with the assistants compensation package, and Weiser rejecting a Prince contract extension during an especially heated meeting.  I find it "highly" unlikely that you had access to a source that was in Huggin's home and in the meeting with Weiser and Wefald considering your status at K-State.   I've seen the stuff you've sent and others sent, some of it crossed.  I know that some of the people you communicate with, share your "biased" view of the KSU world.   That happens when people who claim to be in the know, aren't.

Plus, if you think Ron Prince was truly Weiser's hire, than you're just not thinking very clearly Rod.  You've let the PPM creep into your brain.

My bad.  Here I thought it was Weiser doing the hiring.   Why in the world would I think Weiser doesn't hire the football coach.   

Plus, I never once said there wouldn't be any "goals" for a University President.  I am merely saying the guy was hired and given about 3 or 4 specific mandates by the Board of Regents.  He did them, good for him, I am glad he did.  But at some point he started to think he was really the Athletic Director because the football prime directive was pulled off under his watch.

He was given more than that, and he had to interview for the process as well and had to explain his vision if he were hired.   I like that he's a President that cares about athletics, unlike a lot of schools who are more hands off (until something bad happens).   It is your opinion that he thinks he's the AD but I'm pretty certain he doesn't.  He likes to be involved.  Considering your slant on things at K-State, I can understand where you'd get that idea.
 

Overall, I like the guy, like what he's done for KSU.  I just get tired of the PPM and others thinking the guy is untouchable. 

I never claimed he was untouchable.  Not every endeavor he's attempted has been met with success or without objection.  I don't know of anyone that ever had that capability.

That was not my issue.  The issue is why you think Weiser was forced out.  I guess you don't have anything of substance other than innuendo and perspective.   We'll just leave it at that.

[sonofdaxjones]

Rod since I choose to not read your "war and peace" responses . . . I'll just inform you that TW's future plans for K-State athletics have been completely scrapped by the senior administration at K-State.   They're starting over from square one with their own plan.

But yes, there wasn't any blow up . . . LOL.

I'll not tell you which senior administrator unceremoniously blew Timmy vision out of the water.

[mjrod]

Rod since I choose to not read your "war and peace" responses . . . I'll just inform you that TW's future plans for K-State athletics have been completely scrapped by the senior administration at K-State.   They're starting over from square one with their own plan.

But yes, there wasn't any blow up . . . LOL.

I'll not tell you which senior administrator unceremoniously blew Timmy vision out of the water.

Tap out noted.

And yes, when an AD leaves, there are always changes.  In your view, that's a bad thing, a vote of no confidence in the previous person.   Good job, Dax.. you've managed to portray the changing of the guard as a slap in the face of the previous leader, despite ALL the good Weiser has done for KSU.

You're an idiot.

[sonofdaxjones]

You're an idiot as well Rod . . . you'll believe the party line no matter what.   No $hit there's always changes . . . but well into the six figures was spent on Timmy vision and the powers that be now threw it out at the drop of a hat.   "all the good" . . . good at balancing the books, good at some finances . . . not exactly good at piling up success.  But hey, you're like most k-state fans; the NIT, a bowl game  here and there, that's all you need.   

[mjrod]

You're an idiot as well Rod . . . you'll believe the party line no matter what.   No $hit there's always changes . . . but well into the six figures was spent on Timmy vision and the powers that be now threw it out at the drop of a hat.   "all the good" . . . good at balancing the books, good at some finances . . . not exactly good at piling up success.  But hey, you're like most k-state fans; the NIT, a bowl game  here and there, that's all you need.   

You continue to dig yourself into a hole.

If I don't take your "everything is &@#%ed up" approach, I'm towing the party line and all I care about is mediocrity.   Good one.   The "Me against the World" syndrome is stuck well into your head.   Only SonofDaxJones is the answer to all of K-State's problems.   Yeah, I get it.  No one else could do the job you could do.  And because of it, you got disassociated.   I understand it all right now.

I want KSU to succeed, but if you think that spending money on limestone facades, or what kind of screws are used to secure the bench seating in the north endzone has anything to do with the success, then it's not me that's deluded.

[Kat Kid]

I like Wefald.  To be fair, he sends out really embarrassing "academic" papers that he writes about various topics.  He wrote one about Custer that I read and it was just awful.  Decent guy, big ego, don't really know much more but please carry on.

[sonofdaxjones]

You're an idiot as well Rod . . . you'll believe the party line no matter what.   No $hit there's always changes . . . but well into the six figures was spent on Timmy vision and the powers that be now threw it out at the drop of a hat.   "all the good" . . . good at balancing the books, good at some finances . . . not exactly good at piling up success.  But hey, you're like most k-state fans; the NIT, a bowl game  here and there, that's all you need.   

You continue to dig yourself into a hole.

If I don't take your "everything is fracked up" approach, I'm towing the party line and all I care about is mediocrity.   Good one.   The "Me against the World" syndrome is stuck well into your head.   Only SonofDaxJones is the answer to all of K-State's problems.   Yeah, I get it.  No one else could do the job you could do.  And because of it, you got disassociated.   I understand it all right now.

I want KSU to succeed, but if you think that spending money on limestone facades, or what kind of screws are used to secure the bench seating in the north endzone has anything to do with the success, then it's not me that's deluded.

Then you better go explain that PPM mantra to the senior administrators at K-State, because they're about ready to mortgage the house, the farm, the ranch and the condo in Vail Rod.   Good luck with that.   God damn, you're one dense MoFo.