Gone are the days of the old Wildcat offense

[chum1]

Gone are the days of the old Wildcat offense that was quarterback run, running back run, quarterback run.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5772240

God, that sounds good.  I'm not at all sentimental about the option offense.  Not for a second.

[Dan Rydell]

Yeah, I'm really not gonna miss scoring 30+ every game, either.

[fatty fat fat]

Gone are the days of the old Wildcat offense that was quarterback run, running back run, quarterback run.

http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/5772240

God, that sounds good.  I'm not at all sentimental about the option offense.  Not for a second.

Jesus &@#%. Consider not posting on this board ever again.

[kougar24]

I second that.

[chum1]

Whoaaa...I'm so dizzy...I'm confused...where am I?



We've had two (TWO!) good seasons in the last five years (one of which was only salvaged with a win in the conference championship game).  These are desperate times.  We need a total overhaul.

[fatty fat fat]

Those two "good" seasons where better than anything Mizzou, ku, BU, OSU, TTU have accomplished in a season since the 60's.

I'd give up my friendship with "ds43fan" to  experience 2002 again. What a fun team/season that was.

[Leyton]

Chum said he's not a fan of the option offense, not that he doesn't realize that KSU was successful because of it.  Relax.

[chum1]

Those two "good" seasons where better than anything Mizzou, ku, BU, OSU, TTU have accomplished in a season since the 60's.

Did I miss a memo instructing us to lower our expectations?

Chum said he's not a fan of the option offense, not that he doesn't realize that KSU was successful because of it.

Thanks for the clarification.  I'll try to be a little more diplomatic:  After the past two seasons, I'm looking forward to any and all changes.  I won't miss anything that gets replaced.  And of all the changes that will be taking place, my strongest personal preference concerns the option offense.  I'm not the biggest fan of it.

[Saulbadguy]

Change is....good.

[WILDCAT NATION]

I'll take option football over becoming the kings of the 3-5 yard dump pass any day...which I'm afraid we're about to be...

And, for the record, KSU was FAR from an "option" team.


If the OL still sucks ass, it won't matter.

[sonofdaxjones]

I don't care if they 5 yard dump pass it all day long, as long as they're scoring and moving the ball.

What will piss me off is if it's always a 5 yard dump  pass on 3rd and 8 ... ala a certain NFL team I know.

[catsfan20012002]

This seems like a fair breakdown.

[WILDCAT NATION]

I don't care if they 5 yard dump pass it all day long, as long as they're scoring and moving the ball.

What will piss me off is if it's always a 5 yard dump  pass on 3rd and 8 ... ala a certain NFL team I know.

Exactly my fear.

I actually like the way USC calls plays...power running game (of course, their OL doesn't suck)...and deep strikes...

We need some taller receivers eventually.

[fatty fat fat]

Our accomplishments the past 5 years will trump anything we do in the next 5 years.

[sonofdaxjones]

I think Ron Prince has king of the pre-christmas bowl game written all over him.

He'll be okay I think, but 8 or 9 wins is about the best its going to get IMO, and most years it'll be 7-5, 6-6, and 4-7 this year wouldn't shock me in the least.

[fatty fat fat]

Yes, I don't see many seasons where we go 11-2..where our 2 losses come at a combined 7 points, and we end the season outscoring teams 254-30. Filthy.

[sonofdaxjones]

I see puss ball on offense ... I see a defense that may build back into a real group of hitters, that doesn't give up a lot of points.

[chum1]

I see puss ball on offense

When I started watching a lot of ACC football, I was amazed at how good the offenses looked.  They're less physical than the offenses in the BXII, but the players are much more skilled and teams move faster and with more fluidity.  (I'd say pretty much the same thing about the ACC's basketball teams as well.)  I wouldn't call it puss ball, though.  I'd save that one for the PAC-10.

[PoetWarrior]

The offense we had been running, that Snyder invented, is the single greatest thing to happen to football since the forward pass.

In 10 years, 80% of offenses in all of football will resemble it very closely. It is a huge mistake to go away from it, taking a clear step backwards.

With that being said, our new offense still could be good with the right person at quarterback, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it isn't as different as some believe, less pure option and fullbacks, but similar in other respects.

And on the ACC, of course their offenses look great, that happens when you have incredible athletes, but anyone who saw Texas in the NC saw what happens when you have a tremendous athlete running Snyder's offense, it becomes the most unstopable force imaginable.

[chum1]

The offense we had been running, that Snyder invented, is the single greatest thing to happen to football since the forward pass.

In 10 years, 80% of offenses in all of football will resemble it very closely. It is a huge mistake to go away from it, taking a clear step backwards.

Isn't it odd that it would take teams twenty years to catch onto the greatest thing to happen since the forward pass?  Why isn't it catching on more?

And on the ACC, of course their offenses look great, that happens when you have incredible athletes, but anyone who saw Texas in the NC saw what happens when you have a tremendous athlete running Snyder's offense, it becomes the most unstopable force imaginable.

We've had athletes that compare favorably to those on teams like Clemson, Virginia, and NC State.  I'd love to have a Vince Young type of player be our quarterback.  Unfortunately, we weren't able to land the only one that has ever come along.  In any case, USC's defense wasn't exactly a monster.

[mjrod]

Snyder's offense was a juggernaut.

With the right people in the offense, getting 400-500 yards of offense was the norm.   Rarely, did you see a Snyder offense that didn't make that happen.  The 1998 offense scored over 600 points of offense that year.  In 2000, that offense scored almost that same amount.   In 2002 and 2003, over 500 points were scored during the season, and almost 5000 yards of offensive production.

The key, though, is getting the right people into the system and getting them to flourish in it.  Look at Nick Leckey.  No one wanted him more than Snyder and became the only true freshman lineman to start on a Snyder team in 2000.   That says a lot when you consider who was playing for us that year. 

However, it was also predictable and you could hear fans just grumble when they knew what the play was.  When I was at Snyder's final game, the biggest complaint was about how predictable we were.   Of course, once Archer sealed it, the place went nuts.

Snyder was an offensive genius.  Prince would do well to get some pointers from him.

[PoetWarrior]

Isn't it odd that it would take teams twenty years to catch onto the greatest thing to happen since the forward pass?  Why isn't it catching on more?

It is more and more all the time.  We only started using it in '97, so it hasn't even been 10 years since it came into existence.  The more national championships that are won using it, the more other teams will start to pick it up.

P.S.
Legend?  I've never heard of you.

[chum1]

It is more and more all the time.  We only started using it in '97, so it hasn't even been 10 years since it came into existence.  The more national championships that are won using it, the more other teams will start to pick it up.

You said that it would be another ten years before 80% of the teams would be using it.  So, I figured 1997 to 2016 is about twenty years.  As of now, I don't see the evidence to support such a trend, at least not from the top teams.  Va Tech is the only one I can think of that has consistently integrated a lot of designed QB runs into their offense over an extended period of time. 

P.S.
Legend?  I've never heard of you.

It's a dumb joke.  I still like that post, though.
http://mb21.scout.com/fkansasstatefrm14

[opcat]

This is a bullcrap thread.

Prince is also recruiting Michael Bishop type players. Look at the dual threats he's offered.

If he lands one then the system will change to fit abilitiy.  Thats what he said. Fit system to players.

 

[PoetWarrior]

This is a bull@#%$ thread.

Prince is also recruiting Michael Bishop type players. Look at the dual threats he's offered.

If he lands one then the system will change to fit abilitiy.  Thats what he said. Fit system to players.

 

and that's partly why I say even our supposed "West Coast offense" might not be what you think it is.

[pissclams]

I loved the Chad May offense.



MCMW

[ScubaSteve]

Our accomplishments the past 5 years will trump anything we do in the next 5 years.

Not a Prince fan, eh?

There's a good chance you're right about this though.  Sad to say we would have the same result if Snyder would have stayed.

I'm remaining optomistic, however.

[PoetWarrior]

Our accomplishments the past 5 years will trump anything we do in the next 5 years.

I wholeheartedly disagree with that.

I think we have a great chance to at least equal the last 5, which basically means making it to 2 Championship games and 3 bowl games.

We can do that.

[chum1]

Prince is also recruiting Michael Bishop type players...If he lands one then the system will change to fit abilitiy. Thats what he said. Fit system to players.

Is this the same Prince that once said our scheduling philospohy would remain the same?  And that no changes to the uniforms would be made?  How was Hagans utilized at UVA?

I loved the Chad May offense.

That was a fun offense.

[fatty fat fat]

opcat pretty much destroyed you there "chum#1"

This is a bull@#%$ thread.

Prince is also recruiting Michael Bishop type players. Look at the dual threats he's offered.

If he lands one then the system will change to fit abilitiy. Thats what he said. Fit system to players.