What are you more scared of?

[michigancat]

I was reading the article about how Frank hasn't signed a contract, and it got me thinking...

Are you more worried about Frank being a disaster, or going back to Wooly-esque "coach 'em up" type coaches?

I don't know, I just think Frank has a shot at far greater things than a Chris Lowery or Gregg McDermott, and I really don't want to go back to that type of coach.

http://www.kansascity.com/165/story/510562.html

[Saulbadguy]

I'm worried about recruiting.  Other than that, don't care.

[michigancat]

I'm worried about recruiting.  Other than that, don't care.

Yeah, that's the main why I'm worried about the McDermott type of coach.  FM/DH have shown they can bring in elite recruits.  JUST KEEP IT GOING, DAMMIT.

[catzacker]

Recruiting.  Frank appears to be a competent enough "coach".  My worry is when 'Te leaves and with it our DC Assault pipeline.  Hopefully by that time Frank has made enough connections/contacts with that organization to still effectively recruit it.  Figgers needs to earn his paycheck this off season. 

[michigancat]

Recruiting.  Frank appears to be a competent enough "coach".  My worry is when 'Te leaves and with it our DC Assault pipeline.  Hopefully by that time Frank has made enough connections/contacts with that organization to still effectively recruit it. 

He could also hire another AAU coach.  I'm guessing coaching Mike Beasley this year has kind of given him a sense of how valuable a guy like Dalonte is.  Dalonte isn't the only guy in the country with similar connections that would work at KSU for $300k/year.

[sys]

Are you more worried about Frank being a disaster, or going back to Wooly-esque "coach 'em up" type coaches?

neither really.  i'm very sanguine about ksu hoops right now.  i guess the only thing that slightly worries me is the poss. of hiring some dick of an a.d. that martin will dislike, causing him to bail after 3-4 years of great bball.

[michigancat]

I wish Josh Oppenheimer had come here.

[yosh]

I wish Josh Oppenheimer had come here.

QFT   

[Bookcat]

If we land Cousins alot of people in the country will take notice of Frank's ability to recruit.

I'm still skeptical.

[yosh]

If we land Cousins alot of people in the country will take notice of Frank's ability to recruit.

I'm still skeptical.

I'm not sure about how realistic Cousins is, but a class like Dashonte Riley, McGruder, Judge and Reid would be very possible at this point.
That's a top 10 class

[steve dave]

I'm still dumbfounded we don't have a single DC kid wrapped up for the '08 class.  

[sys]

I'm still dumbfounded we don't have a single DC kid wrapped up for the '08 class.  

martin had the recruit in ´08.  hill got '09.  just luck of the draw when they were dividing up.

hopefully texas is strong in ´11 (figger).

[Saulbadguy]

I believe they are still recruiting like they are uncertain about the scholarship situation for next year.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Am I crazy in thinking that Richard Katz is behind this KC Star article just like he was behind the onslaught of media attention to the fact that Huggins was unsigned for a while?  If you remember, Katz was quoted in the same fashion several times as it relates to contract negotiations for Huggins.  

If Dick Katz can create a stir and an environment of panic by feeding this story to a major news outlet, isn't that him just doing a good job of negotiating through the media for his client?  I wish Dick Katz was my attorney/agent.  

[pissclams]

you guys act like it's easy to find 'te's. 

[KSU4ME]

Recruiting.  Frank appears to be a competent enough "coach".  My worry is when 'Te leaves and with it our DC Assault pipeline.  Hopefully by that time Frank has made enough connections/contacts with that organization to still effectively recruit it.  Figgers needs to earn his paycheck this off season. 

I wish he could learn an offense effective against a zone.

[michigancat]

you guys act like it's easy to find 'te's. 

To find 'Te's that bring in Beasley's?  Yeah.  But te's that bring in DeAndre Jordan's and Joseph Jones's and Cartier Martin's?  Notsomuch.

Still, I'm all for paying Dalonte whatever he wants.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

To find 'Te's that bring in Beasley's?  Yeah.  But te's that bring in DeAndre Jordan's and Joseph Jones's and Cartier Martin's?  Notsomuch.

You're not talking about 'Te's, you're talking about Melvins. And yes, they grow on trees. 

[sys]

in remembering just how lucky we are to have martin at ksu, let's not forget that he's insane.

remember how great of a coach john chaney was?  frank could get there.

http://dubiousquality.blogspot.com/2008/02/stabber.html

[catzacker]

Recruiting.  Frank appears to be a competent enough "coach".  My worry is when 'Te leaves and with it our DC Assault pipeline.  Hopefully by that time Frank has made enough connections/contacts with that organization to still effectively recruit it.  Figgers needs to earn his paycheck this off season. 

I wish he could learn an offense effective against a zone.

We get so many open looks against zone. Our guards have refused to hit open jumpers with any consistency the 3 games (sans Pullen against UT), regardless of man2man or zone.  We drilled MU when they went to zone.  And we quickly got A&M out of zone in the 2nd half by hitting shots.  

[michigancat]

To find 'Te's that bring in Beasley's?  Yeah.  But te's that bring in DeAndre Jordan's and Joseph Jones's and Cartier Martin's?  Notsomuch.

You're not talking about 'Te's, you're talking about Melvins. And yes, they grow on trees. 

No, I'm talking more about Salinises and Byrons:

http://www.aggieathletics.com/coaches.php?SID=MBB&CID=214

You know Joseph Jones was KSU's to lose, right?

[ksu_FAN]

I am not surprised at all about our 08 recruiting.  Sure, it would've been nice to dream and have some top 100 DC Assault kid locked up, but there were a ton of unknowns going into this season.

1) Could Frank coach.  All competent recruits and parents knew why Frank was hired, I think its fair that most would want to see what he could do.  How much freedom would his stars get?  What kind of system?  How much success?  I think for the most part he's done well, but probably still some questions for some kids.

2) Sutton/Samuels.  No one knew if either one of these kids would make it.  It took until December to know for sure.

3) Beasley/Walker.  Of course we seem to be recruiting like they are gone, but nothing is certain now.  

4) Hoskins.  His injury and the question on if/when he can get a hardship leave another ship up in the air.

5) Bennett.  It looks like we're going to lose one scholarship b/c he left in bad academic standing.

It wasn't like we were going to get some kid to say "sure, I'm going to Kansas State if they have a scholarship for me.  They'll let me know in March or April."  That wasn't going to happen.  

So now we're at a place where we don't know for sure if we have any scholarships to give in April.  Technically right now we might have none to give.  We won't know until we find out for sure if Beasley or Walker are leaving.  Hoskins we might not know for a while after the signing period starts.  It seems pretty certain that we've lost a scholarship b/c of Bennett.  

Then there is the factor that if we've got a better shot at some better 09 kids, go after them.  I think if we can get WW we'll go for it, but some of these other borderline Top 150 kids we may be fine to wait another year.

[ksu_FAN]

Recruiting.  Frank appears to be a competent enough "coach".  My worry is when 'Te leaves and with it our DC Assault pipeline.  Hopefully by that time Frank has made enough connections/contacts with that organization to still effectively recruit it.  Figgers needs to earn his paycheck this off season. 

I wish he could learn an offense effective against a zone.

We get so many open looks against zone. Our guards have refused to hit open jumpers with any consistency the 3 games (sans Pullen against UT), regardless of man2man or zone.  We drilled MU when they went to zone.  And we quickly got A&M out of zone in the 2nd half by hitting shots.  

Yeah, Frank's philosophy seems to shoot your way out of it.  Unfortunately we haven't hit shots for a while.  And then to compound it we really only have one guard that can consistently get inside a zone off the dribble and create.  We're sort of limited in our options and if open shooters don't hit shots its going to get ugly.  I don't think that's much different than most teams in the country.

[Pete]

I wish Josh Oppenheimer had come here.

Oppenheimer's wife is a cvnt.

[KSU4ME]

Yeah, Frank's philosophy seems to shoot your way out of it.  Unfortunately we haven't hit shots for a while.  And then to compound it we really only have one guard that can consistently get inside a zone off the dribble and create.  We're sort of limited in our options and if open shooters don't hit shots its going to get ugly.  I don't think that's much different than most teams in the country.

Our passing is too slow around the perimeter as well.  This is partly due to poor spacing, our passes have to be too long.  Anything over 12 feet or so allows defenders time to react. 

[sonofdaxjones]

It looks like Captain Tinfoil hat over on phog is all over this as per usual.

Sad little guy there.

[catzacker]

Recruiting.  Frank appears to be a competent enough "coach".  My worry is when 'Te leaves and with it our DC Assault pipeline.  Hopefully by that time Frank has made enough connections/contacts with that organization to still effectively recruit it.  Figgers needs to earn his paycheck this off season. 

I wish he could learn an offense effective against a zone.

We get so many open looks against zone. Our guards have refused to hit open jumpers with any consistency the 3 games (sans Pullen against UT), regardless of man2man or zone.  We drilled MU when they went to zone.  And we quickly got A&M out of zone in the 2nd half by hitting shots.  

Yeah, Frank's philosophy seems to shoot your way out of it.  Unfortunately we haven't hit shots for a while.  And then to compound it we really only have one guard that can consistently get inside a zone off the dribble and create.  We're sort of limited in our options and if open shooters don't hit shots its going to get ugly.  I don't think that's much different than most teams in the country.

When the entire defense collapses on Beasley and/or Walker when they get the ball in the post, there's not much to do but shoot the wide open 3pt shot that's available....but Clent has sucked and Pullen has been inconsistent.  I mean, if Bill just doesn't play like a scrub  (one f'ing point?) against UT, we win because we got good production from 2 guys, just needed it from another.  The only thing that I get frustrated by is that we don't use a high/low with MB/Bill enough, imo.  

[ksu_FAN]

When the entire defense collapses on Beasley and/or Walker when they get the ball in the post, there's not much to do but shoot the wide open 3pt shot that's available....but Clent has sucked and Pullen has been inconsistent.  I mean, if Bill just doesn't play like a scrub  (one f'ing point?) against UT, we win because we got good production from 2 guys, just needed it from another.  The only thing that I get frustrated by is that we don't use a high/low with MB/Bill enough, imo.  

Completely agree on the high-low.  Otherwise guys have to hit some open shots.  We had a bunch of open looks in the first 10 minutes of the UT game.

[sys]

It looks like Captain Tinfoil hat over on phog is all over this as per usual.

if you reference, you really should cut and paste.  it's only fair.

[pissclams]

you guys act like it's easy to find 'te's. 

To find 'Te's that bring in Beasley's?  Yeah.  But te's that bring in DeAndre Jordan's and Joseph Jones's and Cartier Martin's?  Notsomuch.

Still, I'm all for paying Dalonte whatever he wants.

maybe i'm missing something but if these aau coaches aligned with 5 stars are growing on tree's, why isn't every program in the country going after them.  and if the answer is, they are, then what makes you think we have a chance to stay in the market?

imo 'te's don't grow on trees