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I'm rushing fraternities this spring and have gotten quite a few phone calls from different ones.  Which ones should i look into if i'm looking for a frat that's not real nerdy but has some bright guys (engineers and such) and preferrably a wet house, attracts decent girls, and such.

I ask for those of you that hate on frats to stay out cuz i've already decided to do it, but if any of you have some suggestions that would be great.

February 28, 2008, 11:06:12 PM
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February 28, 2008, 11:09:33 PM
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Don't worry about money or high connections- there are lots of fraternities here at KSU and most all of them are very approachable.

There is really not much of a formal rush process at KSU . When I was there, we had a 4 day period where the houses were supposed to have representatives on hand from 2-6 in the afternoon to meet anyone who came by looking for more info. That was all they had.

And unless I am mistaken, even that is not done today. So the burden is pretty much completely on you to take initial steps if you want to get a good look at a large number of houses.

Roundup is coming soon and that is the first point when a lot of potential fall rushees will be coming up to check things out. From there, summer rush goes on from the end of the spring semester right up until the fall- though the real concentration of events begins in late June.

You have picked the right time to start doing your homework, and I would suggest you contact friends of yours in fraternities at KSU - or better still women you know who are in sororities and who know you well enough to give you their honest advice about where to focus your efforts. A good friend in a sorority is your best resource for starting the rush process.

Some houses will send you invitations to events- either because someone knows you or because they got a list of high school seniors and invite everybody since that school has been a good recruiting ground in the past. Don't assume that a group that sends you an unexpected invitation is a low-tier organization pushing for new members. It could just as easily be a top-tier group that has already heard good things about you.

Roundup and July 4th are two pretty significant rush periods- generally speaking. Your best bet is to talk to friends now and try to get their advice on where to focus those initial efforts since you will be best off heading into Roundup planning to rush at just a couple of places.

The majority of bids extended at most houses are given out over the summer or right at the start of the year- long before "formal rush" begins. So it is important to get moving now so that you will be all set for this summer. It varies by house, but generally speaking a serious fraternity that makes a careful selection of good potential candidates will want to see you at 3 events before a bid is extended. So you will have some serious rushing to do. Even if you come into rush with several people knowing you, a good house will not give you a bid the first time you come to a rush event.

Be careful about any situation where you get a bid the first time you meet with a fraternity. Most groups, large and small, take their time before making a decision. And it is my observation that the few groups who do give bids to everyone they can right away will tend to have very high dropout rates in pledgeship among other issues. Texas is a very expensive place to exist, which is why some groups just go for the numbers and the money- but the result is not usually what most would call a great chapter. And I will also note those chapters are where a disproportionate number of risk management tragedies take place. I will not name names, but you will figure it out as you start getting around and meeting people.

Two final pieces of advice,

1. Don't get drunk, tear up hotel rooms or do other illegal things. A lot of rushees seem to think they are expected to cut loose, but it is not true. A HUGE part of rush is making sure that potential rushees have a certain degree of discretion and social maturity.

2. When speaking with sorority women you are friends with, you can have honest conversations comparing fraternities and how their particular character may or may not make them a good home for you. But when talking to the guys where you rush, it is best to not even mention the other houses. Focus on learning about that house when you are there- and do your comparing in the company of a neutral party.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

February 28, 2008, 11:17:02 PM
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Don't worry about money or high connections- there are lots of fraternities here at KSU and most all of them are very approachable.

There is really not much of a formal rush process at KSU . When I was there, we had a 4 day period where the houses were supposed to have representatives on hand from 2-6 in the afternoon to meet anyone who came by looking for more info. That was all they had.

And unless I am mistaken, even that is not done today. So the burden is pretty much completely on you to take initial steps if you want to get a good look at a large number of houses.

Roundup is coming soon and that is the first point when a lot of potential fall rushees will be coming up to check things out. From there, summer rush goes on from the end of the spring semester right up until the fall- though the real concentration of events begins in late June.

You have picked the right time to start doing your homework, and I would suggest you contact friends of yours in fraternities at KSU - or better still women you know who are in sororities and who know you well enough to give you their honest advice about where to focus your efforts. A good friend in a sorority is your best resource for starting the rush process.

Some houses will send you invitations to events- either because someone knows you or because they got a list of high school seniors and invite everybody since that school has been a good recruiting ground in the past. Don't assume that a group that sends you an unexpected invitation is a low-tier organization pushing for new members. It could just as easily be a top-tier group that has already heard good things about you.

Roundup and July 4th are two pretty significant rush periods- generally speaking. Your best bet is to talk to friends now and try to get their advice on where to focus those initial efforts since you will be best off heading into Roundup planning to rush at just a couple of places.

The majority of bids extended at most houses are given out over the summer or right at the start of the year- long before "formal rush" begins. So it is important to get moving now so that you will be all set for this summer. It varies by house, but generally speaking a serious fraternity that makes a careful selection of good potential candidates will want to see you at 3 events before a bid is extended. So you will have some serious rushing to do. Even if you come into rush with several people knowing you, a good house will not give you a bid the first time you come to a rush event.

Be careful about any situation where you get a bid the first time you meet with a fraternity. Most groups, large and small, take their time before making a decision. And it is my observation that the few groups who do give bids to everyone they can right away will tend to have very high dropout rates in pledgeship among other issues. Texas is a very expensive place to exist, which is why some groups just go for the numbers and the money- but the result is not usually what most would call a great chapter. And I will also note those chapters are where a disproportionate number of risk management tragedies take place. I will not name names, but you will figure it out as you start getting around and meeting people.

Two final pieces of advice,

1. Don't get drunk, tear up hotel rooms or do other illegal things. A lot of rushees seem to think they are expected to cut loose, but it is not true. A HUGE part of rush is making sure that potential rushees have a certain degree of discretion and social maturity.

2. When speaking with sorority women you are friends with, you can have honest conversations comparing fraternities and how their particular character may or may not make them a good home for you. But when talking to the guys where you rush, it is best to not even mention the other houses. Focus on learning about that house when you are there- and do your comparing in the company of a neutral party.
kinda made me  :confused:

either way, some good advice, thanks.

February 28, 2008, 11:26:16 PM
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Damnit. Missed that one.

I'm sure it applies @ KSU also.

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It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

February 28, 2008, 11:27:06 PM
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I'm rushing fraternities this spring and have gotten quite a few phone calls from different ones.  Which ones should i look into if i'm looking for a frat that's not real nerdy but has some bright guys (engineers and such) and preferrably a wet house, attracts decent girls, and such.

I ask for those of you that hate on frats to stay out cuz i've already decided to do it, but if any of you have some suggestions that would be great.

Theta Xi?
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February 29, 2008, 01:02:31 AM
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Don't get drunk, tear up hotel rooms or do other illegal things. A lot of rushees seem to think they are expected to cut loose, but it is not true. A HUGE part of rush is making sure that potential rushees have a certain degree of discretion and social maturity.

This is true of so many situations in life.  One of these days I'll have to tell you guys about the intern who spent a lazy Saturday at a little soirée on a partner's boat.  He was drunk before he arrived, pissed over the side of the boat in plain view of all attendees during the first hour, spent the next few hours groping a senior partner's trophy wife, and for a coup de grâce barfed over the rail all the way back to shore at the end of the evening.  Sadly these types of events are all too common.
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February 29, 2008, 08:50:19 AM
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Damnit. Missed that one.

I'm sure it applies @ KSU also.

 ;)

Probably so, except for the roundup part.  That sounds like a strictly Texas thing.  And it sounds a little bit disconcerting.

February 29, 2008, 11:42:46 AM
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I'm rushing fraternities this spring and have gotten quite a few phone calls from different ones.  Which ones should i look into if i'm looking for a frat that's not real nerdy but has some bright guys (engineers and such) and preferrably a wet house, attracts decent girls, and such.

I ask for those of you that hate on frats to stay out cuz i've already decided to do it, but if any of you have some suggestions that would be great.

Theta Xi?
yeah, they invited me to a rush event next saturday, will probably end up going. you a member?

February 29, 2008, 11:49:12 AM
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March 04, 2008, 05:27:39 PM
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go with a wet house.
and a good question to ask is if they have had the chapter house at less than capacity recently, say like 2 years. this will occasionaly happen to a lot of houses, but if it consistently happens, it is a sign of bad things.

March 04, 2008, 10:11:23 PM
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Here's some advice: Don't go greek.

It's more expensive and you'll have more fun on your own.

Plus greeks are kind of a laughing stock.

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March 05, 2008, 01:03:25 AM
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Don't worry about money or high connections- there are lots of fraternities here at KSU and most all of them are very approachable.

There is really not much of a formal rush process at KSU . When I was there, we had a 4 day period where the houses were supposed to have representatives on hand from 2-6 in the afternoon to meet anyone who came by looking for more info. That was all they had.

And unless I am mistaken, even that is not done today. So the burden is pretty much completely on you to take initial steps if you want to get a good look at a large number of houses.

Roundup is coming soon and that is the first point when a lot of potential fall rushees will be coming up to check things out. From there, summer rush goes on from the end of the spring semester right up until the fall- though the real concentration of events begins in late June.

You have picked the right time to start doing your homework, and I would suggest you contact friends of yours in fraternities at KSU - or better still women you know who are in sororities and who know you well enough to give you their honest advice about where to focus your efforts. A good friend in a sorority is your best resource for starting the rush process.

Some houses will send you invitations to events- either because someone knows you or because they got a list of high school seniors and invite everybody since that school has been a good recruiting ground in the past. Don't assume that a group that sends you an unexpected invitation is a low-tier organization pushing for new members. It could just as easily be a top-tier group that has already heard good things about you.

Roundup and July 4th are two pretty significant rush periods- generally speaking. Your best bet is to talk to friends now and try to get their advice on where to focus those initial efforts since you will be best off heading into Roundup planning to rush at just a couple of places.

The majority of bids extended at most houses are given out over the summer or right at the start of the year- long before "formal rush" begins. So it is important to get moving now so that you will be all set for this summer. It varies by house, but generally speaking a serious fraternity that makes a careful selection of good potential candidates will want to see you at 3 events before a bid is extended. So you will have some serious rushing to do. Even if you come into rush with several people knowing you, a good house will not give you a bid the first time you come to a rush event.

Be careful about any situation where you get a bid the first time you meet with a fraternity. Most groups, large and small, take their time before making a decision. And it is my observation that the few groups who do give bids to everyone they can right away will tend to have very high dropout rates in pledgeship among other issues. Texas is a very expensive place to exist, which is why some groups just go for the numbers and the money- but the result is not usually what most would call a great chapter. And I will also note those chapters are where a disproportionate number of risk management tragedies take place. I will not name names, but you will figure it out as you start getting around and meeting people.

Two final pieces of advice,

1. Don't get drunk, tear up hotel rooms or do other illegal things. A lot of rushees seem to think they are expected to cut loose, but it is not true. A HUGE part of rush is making sure that potential rushees have a certain degree of discretion and social maturity.

2. When speaking with sorority women you are friends with, you can have honest conversations comparing fraternities and how their particular character may or may not make them a good home for you. But when talking to the guys where you rush, it is best to not even mention the other houses. Focus on learning about that house when you are there- and do your comparing in the company of a neutral party.

lo freakin l.  none of that really has any merit @ KSU.

ummmm, i'm sad to say, as it may ruin my board cred, but i was Director of IFC recruitment for KSU 2 years ago, which means that I was the Director of KSU Fraternity recruitment, so if you need any help pm me.

Here's some advice: Don't go greek.

It's more expensive

not true. its actually cheaper at a lot of places.

as far as the rest of that post it depends on your perspective and what you are looking to do with your life in college and out of college.

god damnit.... this better not make me the ultra frat guy on this board.


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March 05, 2008, 02:42:17 AM
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Don't worry about money or high connections- there are lots of fraternities here at KSU and most all of them are very approachable.

There is really not much of a formal rush process at KSU . When I was there, we had a 4 day period where the houses were supposed to have representatives on hand from 2-6 in the afternoon to meet anyone who came by looking for more info. That was all they had.

And unless I am mistaken, even that is not done today. So the burden is pretty much completely on you to take initial steps if you want to get a good look at a large number of houses.

Roundup is coming soon and that is the first point when a lot of potential fall rushees will be coming up to check things out. From there, summer rush goes on from the end of the spring semester right up until the fall- though the real concentration of events begins in late June.

You have picked the right time to start doing your homework, and I would suggest you contact friends of yours in fraternities at KSU - or better still women you know who are in sororities and who know you well enough to give you their honest advice about where to focus your efforts. A good friend in a sorority is your best resource for starting the rush process.

Some houses will send you invitations to events- either because someone knows you or because they got a list of high school seniors and invite everybody since that school has been a good recruiting ground in the past. Don't assume that a group that sends you an unexpected invitation is a low-tier organization pushing for new members. It could just as easily be a top-tier group that has already heard good things about you.

Roundup and July 4th are two pretty significant rush periods- generally speaking. Your best bet is to talk to friends now and try to get their advice on where to focus those initial efforts since you will be best off heading into Roundup planning to rush at just a couple of places.

The majority of bids extended at most houses are given out over the summer or right at the start of the year- long before "formal rush" begins. So it is important to get moving now so that you will be all set for this summer. It varies by house, but generally speaking a serious fraternity that makes a careful selection of good potential candidates will want to see you at 3 events before a bid is extended. So you will have some serious rushing to do. Even if you come into rush with several people knowing you, a good house will not give you a bid the first time you come to a rush event.

Be careful about any situation where you get a bid the first time you meet with a fraternity. Most groups, large and small, take their time before making a decision. And it is my observation that the few groups who do give bids to everyone they can right away will tend to have very high dropout rates in pledgeship among other issues. Texas is a very expensive place to exist, which is why some groups just go for the numbers and the money- but the result is not usually what most would call a great chapter. And I will also note those chapters are where a disproportionate number of risk management tragedies take place. I will not name names, but you will figure it out as you start getting around and meeting people.

Two final pieces of advice,

1. Don't get drunk, tear up hotel rooms or do other illegal things. A lot of rushees seem to think they are expected to cut loose, but it is not true. A HUGE part of rush is making sure that potential rushees have a certain degree of discretion and social maturity.

2. When speaking with sorority women you are friends with, you can have honest conversations comparing fraternities and how their particular character may or may not make them a good home for you. But when talking to the guys where you rush, it is best to not even mention the other houses. Focus on learning about that house when you are there- and do your comparing in the company of a neutral party.

lo freakin l.  none of that really has any merit @ KSU.

ummmm, i'm sad to say, as it may ruin my board cred, but i was Director of IFC recruitment for KSU 2 years ago, which means that I was the Director of KSU Fraternity recruitment, so if you need any help pm me.

Here's some advice: Don't go greek.

It's more expensive

not true. its actually cheaper at a lot of places.

as far as the rest of that post it depends on your perspective and what you are looking to do with your life in college and out of college.

god damnit.... this better not make me the ultra frat guy on this board.
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March 05, 2008, 07:46:36 AM
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Here's some advice: Don't go greek.

It's more expensive

not true. its actually cheaper at a lot of places.

as far as the rest of that post it depends on your perspective and what you are looking to do with your life in college and out of college.

god damnit.... this better not make me the ultra frat guy on this board.

this is complete bullcrap. now i know you were a greek recuriter. you probably wont die if you go into the military either.

greek is way more expensive. if anything else, all the bs phitanthropies and their damn t-shirts. just plan on blowing like $300 on tshirts the next 2 years. not to mention regular parties, date parties and those  party favors, buying booze for chicks, homecoming matching jackets tshirts and panties, and living with a bunch of rich ass joco rats. you have to spend a little extra klink just to not look like a complete hobo by comparison.

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Asava is/has been involved in eleventy-billion groups/commitees/societies in the last 30 minutes.  Christ, if I rolled out of bed in time to make it to class it was a productive day.

good lord.  I know.
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Here's some advice: Don't go greek.

It's more expensive

not true. its actually cheaper at a lot of places.

as far as the rest of that post it depends on your perspective and what you are looking to do with your life in college and out of college.

god damnit.... this better not make me the ultra frat guy on this board.

this is complete bullcrap. now i know you were a greek recuriter. you probably wont die if you go into the military either.

greek is way more expensive. if anything else, all the bs phitanthropies and their damn t-shirts. just plan on blowing like $300 on tshirts the next 2 years. not to mention regular parties, date parties and those  party favors, buying booze for chicks, homecoming matching jackets tshirts and panties, and living with a bunch of rich ass joco rats. you have to spend a little extra klink just to not look like a complete hobo by comparison.

i'm telling you as objectively as possible, and I was including extra money for whatever you wanted to spend it on. rent wise my fraternity was about $500 cheaper per year, and that includes food, laundry, etc... philanthropies don't cost any thing, unless you buy a shirt, i never bought one, i just participated in a few. you seem to think you know a lot about something you probably have never taken the chance to look into. i'm not saying go greek one way or the other, and i'm definitely not promoting it by saying these things. i also think it would be about the most ridiculous thing ever to argue this any further on a message board.



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Asava is/has been involved in eleventy-billion groups/commitees/societies in the last 30 minutes.  Christ, if I rolled out of bed in time to make it to class it was a productive day.

good lord.  I know.

you guys are way better posters than i am, IMHO.


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Asava is/has been involved in eleventy-billion groups/commitees/societies in the last 30 minutes.  Christ, if I rolled out of bed in time to make it to class it was a productive day.

good lord.  I know.

you guys are way better posters than i am, IMHO.

you want to know the cost of that?

You don't want to know the cost of that.
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Asava is/has been involved in eleventy-billion groups/commitees/societies in the last 30 minutes.  Christ, if I rolled out of bed in time to make it to class it was a productive day.

good lord.  I know.

you guys are way better posters than i am, IMHO.

you want to know the cost of that?

You don't want to know the cost of that.

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Asava is/has been involved in eleventy-billion groups/commitees/societies in the last 30 minutes.  Christ, if I rolled out of bed in time to make it to class it was a productive day.

good lord.  I know.

you guys are way better posters than i am, IMHO.

you want to know the cost of that?

You don't want to know the cost of that.

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March 06, 2008, 04:32:12 PM
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the more time you spend with them the more you will get a feel for which fits you the best.  the houses are big enough that they will all have their share of dorks and douches etc.  Go with your gut.

also how well do you deal with peer pressure?  a friend of mine in a house could never say no and racked up an impressive credit card bill his first year going to the bars with his pledge bros that had ID's.

agree with the cost analysis of "being cheaper" is decieving.
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