very sad

[sys]

worst in the big 12.  no wonder ksu is sinking.

http://huskerhoopscentral.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=113259&p=3&topicID=15686511

[MOKSUAZ]

worst in the big 12.  no wonder ksu is sinking.

http://huskerhoopscentral.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=113259&p=3&topicID=15686511

nebrasketball = very, very HBBIQ.  don't ever question a husker.

[michigancat]

The "top tier" list for coaching is the about the same as the "bottom tier" list for recruiting "bottom tier" list for coaching is about the same as the "top tier" list for talent.

[sys]

The "top tier" list for coaching is the about the same as the "bottom tier" list for recruiting "bottom tier" list for coaching is about the same as the "top tier" list for talent.

only coaches w. no talent can coach their players to exceed their inherent abilities.  coaches w. talent can only induce underperformances.

this is why everone is always saying wait till next season to see how good martin is.

although no one mentions it, we'll only see how bad capel is next year w. warren and grif (assuming he stays) for the same reason.

[catzacker]

The "top tier" list for coaching is the about the same as the "bottom tier" list for recruiting "bottom tier" list for coaching is about the same as the "top tier" list for talent.

only coaches w. no talent can coach their players to exceed their inherent abilities.  coaches w. talent can only induce underperformances.

this is why everone is always saying wait till next season to see how good martin is.

although no one mentions it, we'll only see how bad capel is next year w. warren and grif (assuming he stays) for the same reason.

QFT.  I enjoy the people who say "we'll know if Matin can coach next year".  If you can't make that decision after this year, you can't after next year.  If MB and BW stayed, would we have to wait until '09? 

[mcmwcat]

i couldn't give 2 $H!ts about coaching abilities when stacked against recruiting abilities.

[michigancat]

I think the Bz love is at least ridiculous as the Martin hate.

[michigancat]

i couldn't give 2 $H!ts about coaching abilities when stacked against recruiting abilities.

and there you have it.  I agree 100%!

[sys]

I think the Bz love is at least ridiculous as the Martin hate.

you must have missed where he kicked silas off the team.  ++ coaching move.

if martin were to kick walker off of ksu's team, he would move up into the middle tier.

[Saulbadguy]

I think the Bz love is at least ridiculous as the Martin hate.

if martin were to kick walker off of ksu's team, he would move up into the middle tier.

We should investigate that. 

[catzacker]

i couldn't give 2 $H!ts about coaching abilities when stacked against recruiting abilities.

Where does Drew and Sutton fall in this conversation?  Sys is restricted from commenting on Drew.  

[cireksu]

How can we justify going 9-7 with 2 NBA players on our team?

[steve dave]

I hate nebrasketball the most of all. I hope we play them in the Big 12 Tourney second round. I bet we beat them by 22 and Stadler gets an A+ for excellent coaching.

[sys]

Where does Drew and Sutton fall in this conversation?  Sys is restricted from commenting on Drew.  

sutton = ++ for recruiting, - for player retention.  sum = +

drew =   (as mandated)

[cireksu]

Drew's done a heckuva job down there in waco.

[sys]

How can we justify going 9-7 with 2 NBA players on our team?

2 nba players, 10 d2 players?

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=23786.0

[cireksu]

How can we justify going 9-7 with 2 NBA players on our team?

2 nba players, 10 d2 players?

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=23786.0

:sarcasm:

[michigancat]

i couldn't give 2 $H!ts about coaching abilities when stacked against recruiting abilities.

Where does Drew and Sutton fall in this conversation?  Sys is restricted from commenting on Drew. 

Here's my thoughts:  things like "x's and o's" and "chemistry" are pretty much unknowns unless you're hiring a "slam dunk" coach.  Things like recruiting relationships, recruiting plan, plan for hiring assistants, and quality of actual recruits landed (via things like RSCI), etc. are much easier to define and evaluate.  If you can consistently get quality talent into the program, like Drew and Sutton are, you will leave the next coach in a better situation than someone who wants to "coach 'em up" and fails.

So, in reality, choosing recruiting over x's and o's is the truly the superior "long term" option.

[catzacker]

How can we justify going 9-7 with 2 NBA players on our team?

This is something that I am having a hard time coming to grips with.  I've been trying to justify it by saying that the surrounding talent is so poor and/or inexperienced that it is causing a lower return.  But at the end of the day, I have no real answer.  Maybe the conference is more difficult?  But that's kind of a cop-out.  

[cireksu]

How can we justify going 9-7 with 2 NBA players on our team?

This is something that I am having a hard time coming to grips with.  I've been trying to justify it by saying that the surrounding talent is so poor and/or inexperienced that it is causing a lower return.  But at the end of the day, I have no real answer.  Maybe the conference is more difficult?  But that's kind of a cop-out.  

It's easy, look at non beas/walker numbers in losses and compare them to games we've won.

beas and walker are always good(at least beas is).  The others are the key.

[catzacker]

How can we justify going 9-7 with 2 NBA players on our team?

This is something that I am having a hard time coming to grips with.  I've been trying to justify it by saying that the surrounding talent is so poor and/or inexperienced that it is causing a lower return.  But at the end of the day, I have no real answer.  Maybe the conference is more difficult?  But that's kind of a cop-out.  

It's easy, look at non beas/walker numbers in losses.

I guess.  Who, besides BW and MB, would start or be 6/7 man for A&M, BU, ku, UT? 

Pullen?

I suppose when you look at it in those terms...but damn, if the rest of the players suck that bad, then why is there any real hope for next year or '09?  It's not like MB and BW aren't getting the rest of the team open shots. 

[cireksu]

depends on what you expect next year?  I'm expecting 7 wins in big 12 8-8 would be good, 9-7 great.

[sys]

other teams that have 2 or more likely nba players:


ut
a&m
ou
osu
ku
isu

[cireksu]

other teams that have 2 or more likely nba players:


ut
a&m
ou
osu
ku
isu

maybe, none on the level of beas, and not many on the level of walker.

[Chingon]

worst in the big 12.  no wonder ksu is sinking.

http://huskerhoopscentral.activeboard.com/index.spark?forumID=113259&p=3&topicID=15686511

That made everything clear to me.  I solved it mathematically and I am now ready to go be greatest coach in world with my team of vergito-ridden midgets.

[sys]

maybe, none on the level of beas, and not many on the level of walker.

the real issue, imo.  even walker types are a dime a dozen in top conferences.

[michigancat]

other teams that have 2 or more likely nba players:


ut
a&m
ou
osu
ku
isu

maybe, none on the level of beas, and not many on the level of walker.

we are also ahead of all but two of those clowns in the standings, fwiw.

LOL at omitting bu from that list, too.

[sys]

LOL at omitting bu from that list, too.

that wasn't out of hate.  i don't see two on that team.  jerrells probably scrapes in.  i don't see any of the other guards getting a shot.  maybe dunn if he improves (certainly he has a shot).

don't see any of the bigs getting in.

drew really has recruited right in the sweet spot of good college players wo nba early out talent.

[michigancat]

LOL at omitting bu from that list, too.

that wasn't out of hate.  i don't see two on that team.  jerrells probably scrapes in.  i don't see any of the other guards getting a shot.  maybe dunn if he improves (certainly he has a shot).

don't see any of the bigs getting in.

drew really has recruited right in the sweet spot of good college players wo nba early out talent.

But you see two on OU, OSU, and ISU?

[sonofdaxjones]

Someone should link that to the "Worst BCS Job" thread over on phogtard.net.

In another thread over there about everyone hating on K-State in the media, I LOL'd when I read Hoax go after JS for "attacking the messenger".  This from a guy who absolutely $hits his pants about every little thing Keitzman says about ku.  There's that ku based Hoaxian logic at work again . . . what a dumbass.