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July 10, 2006, 02:26:25 PM
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It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

July 10, 2006, 02:29:41 PM
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July 10, 2006, 02:32:36 PM
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Back to an old topic, why do the Ape Room and The Shack Board kick so much ass while Aggieville and In the Suburbs suck so bad?
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

July 10, 2006, 02:35:29 PM
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No kidding. I think this thread needs to be moved.

July 10, 2006, 04:41:38 PM
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July 10, 2006, 04:49:21 PM
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July 10, 2006, 05:45:14 PM
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Oh you didn't hear.... Are recruiting classes for 07 are done.  Which of course will dictate our record this year as well as our 08 class.  Prince is fired, but has chose to finish out atleast 50% of his contract.  We won a NC in basketball in 07, and Coach Venables will replace Former Coach prince, but it doesnt' really matter anyway because we are a basketball school again.
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July 10, 2006, 06:06:47 PM
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July 10, 2006, 08:10:15 PM
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Oh you didn't hear.... Are recruiting classes for 07 are done.  Which of course will dictate our record this year as well as our 08 class.  Prince is fired, but has chose to finish out atleast 50% of his contract.  We won a NC in basketball in 07, and Coach Venables will replace Former Coach prince, but it doesnt' really matter anyway because we are a basketball school again.

venables :love:

July 10, 2006, 08:12:22 PM
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It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

July 11, 2006, 03:42:56 PM
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July 11, 2006, 03:50:18 PM
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yeah, i just checked.  all of ku's recruits are ranked.  we still have 2 that are unranked.  Even if both those guys get 1 star, which is no guarantee our average will drop under ku's.  So, umm :thumbsup:.   

July 11, 2006, 04:09:53 PM
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am i wrong in thinking drinkgern has been rated (as unrated) because he's a kansas kid and kansas was updated already?


if so, then we only have 1 player yet to be rated, whitmore.

July 11, 2006, 04:18:58 PM
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"am i wrong in thinking drinkgern has been rated (as unrated) because he's a kansas kid and kansas was updated already?


if so, then we only have 1 player yet to be rated, whitmore."

that would be the case.  if the Kansas kids have been ranked, and he has no ranking then he is a 0 star.  I don't think a 0 star is going to help  us in the  star average.

July 11, 2006, 04:32:13 PM
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Shown here about to lose to Texas A&M, then pack up his suitcase and head south to Norman with Mikey and Fatty and a bunch of KSU recruits to win the national championship in two years.

Rot in hell.  (Hell = Norman, OK).   :mad:

July 11, 2006, 04:36:36 PM
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You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen.

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July 11, 2006, 04:45:59 PM
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"You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen."

2 reasons.  Snyders ego and KSU's bank account.

July 11, 2006, 05:49:58 PM
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"You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen."

2 reasons.  Snyders ego and KSU's bank account.


That's not why.  But I can understand your lack of knowledge about KSU football.

July 11, 2006, 06:49:48 PM
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You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen.

Okay, I'm not into the whole bashing Prince or whomever before they even get to coach and prove what they can do, but it doesn't seem like Venables lack of head coaching experience would have too much influence on him being chosen as our head coach. You know, because of the whole Ron Prince thing.

What I want to know is what kind of recruiting were people expecting? We're coming off of 4 and 5 win seasons, we don't have a storied football program, Manhattan isn't some glitzy place that's going to attract all kinds of recruits, and we got a first-time coach that has to build relationships with the areas we're going to be pulling most kids from. Were people expecting the best recruits out there to be banging down the door to come play at KSU?

July 11, 2006, 07:02:23 PM
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You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen.


What I want to know is what kind of recruiting were people expecting? We're coming off of 4 and 5 win seasons, we don't have a storied football program, Manhattan isn't some glitzy place that's going to attract all kinds of recruits, and we got a first-time coach that has to build relationships with the areas we're going to be pulling most kids from. Were people expecting the best recruits out there to be banging down the door to come play at KSU?

Okay, this is a good argument. Trying to argue that stars don't matter is retarded. Trying to argue that we are recruiting as good as Nebraska because (offers and stars don't matter) is retarded as well.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

July 11, 2006, 08:03:41 PM
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"That's not why.  But I can understand your lack of knowledge about KSU football"

sure.  KSU has tons of money, but they opted out of getting a well known coach that could come in right away and off his name alone land a top notch class of recruits because they wanted to save that money.  And Snyder had no ill feelings at all about Venables jumping ship, cause snyder didn't have those feelings

am I getting closer to your level of stupidity?

July 11, 2006, 08:56:01 PM
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You know with all that head coaching experience Venebles has had, I just don't understand why Venebles wasn't chosen.

Okay, I'm not into the whole bashing Prince or whomever before they even get to coach and prove what they can do, but it doesn't seem like Venables lack of head coaching experience would have too much influence on him being chosen as our head coach. You know, because of the whole Ron Prince thing.

What I want to know is what kind of recruiting were people expecting? We're coming off of 4 and 5 win seasons, we don't have a storied football program, Manhattan isn't some glitzy place that's going to attract all kinds of recruits, and we got a first-time coach that has to build relationships with the areas we're going to be pulling most kids from. Were people expecting the best recruits out there to be banging down the door to come play at KSU?

I wasn't expecting that Coach Prince was going to be pulling in kids at 4 and 5 stars, I thought he was going to recruit kids that fit his system.   Snyder never went after the kids with the most stars, he went after the kids that were going to work within his system and that included things such as coachability, background influences, values, work ethic, etc.   Kids also have to want to come to KSU or be sold on it.    It's up to the coaches to sell KSU, but the coaches must look at many things from these kids.  KSU wasn't a program built from the top talent all over the country.   You can win, if you can get the right kids in the system.  Snyder never had stars to deal with until the last few years.   Stars only became important when it became financially beneficial to Rivals and Scout to market them that way.  They created bragging rights for fans to become interested in the recruiting process.  I remember when Kevin Lockett came to Kansas State and was recruited by Oklahoma (a school going down hill) and he chose KSU.   Yet, many, many many people in Oklahoma thought he made a mistake and not have a good career at all.   Stories like West Virginia, Boise State, Utah and of course, KSU all demonstrate that the right kids in the system will help you reach the level of success more quickly than getting kids who don't fit, no matter their talent.   When it comes down to it, if these kids come here, excel in the program, we will be successful.

July 11, 2006, 08:57:06 PM
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"That's not why.  But I can understand your lack of knowledge about KSU football"

sure.  KSU has tons of money, but they opted out of getting a well known coach that could come in right away and off his name alone land a top notch class of recruits because they wanted to save that money.  And Snyder had no ill feelings at all about Venables jumping ship, cause snyder didn't have those feelings

am I getting closer to your level of stupidity?

Venables was never offered the position nor was he going to.

Your level of stupidity is amazing.

July 11, 2006, 09:58:54 PM
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Good post mj. I was looking for anybody's opinion, but I guess the question was really directed at those that were expecting KSU to be pulling in this great recruiting class. Nice response nonetheless.

July 12, 2006, 05:37:00 AM
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"Venables was never offered the position nor was he going to.

Your level of stupidity is amazing."

whats stupid is you making this comment.  I never said he was offered, did I.  could you provide the quote to that?  who's stupid now?  atleast you backed away from trying to tell us all that KSU would rather have a HC and an inexperienced staff  then a great and well known staff simply by choice, not by money

July 12, 2006, 06:08:33 AM
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either way, even if we did want venables, or atleast had a former HC that would have allowed us to explore that possability more we could never have afforded him.  there is a reason that we lost all of those assistants.  We pay a crap wage and in turn we get crap loyalty. 

July 12, 2006, 08:38:46 AM
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Leavitt-Offered a D1 head coaching job.

Bobby Stoops-Offered the most money ever given to a coordinator.

Dana Dimel-Left for a D1 head coaching job.

Phil Bennett-Left for a D1 head coaching job.

Bret Bielma-Left to become associate head coach and hand picked successor to Barry Alvarez.

Mike Stoops-Left to coach with his brother.

The only two departures that really, really hurt were Venables, and the coach who went to South Carolina, I can't remember his name. 

The rest of the depatures hurt, but those guys got their chances to be head coaches or get paid a lot of money.


July 12, 2006, 10:40:57 AM
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"Venables was never offered the position nor was he going to.

Your level of stupidity is amazing."

whats stupid is you making this comment.  I never said he was offered, did I.  could you provide the quote to that?  who's stupid now?  atleast you backed away from trying to tell us all that KSU would rather have a HC and an inexperienced staff  then a great and well known staff simply by choice, not by money

Who were the well known coaches that KSU "opted" out of that wanted to come here?

July 12, 2006, 12:03:11 PM
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either way, even if we did want venables, or atleast had a former HC that would have allowed us to explore that possability more we could never have afforded him.  there is a reason that we lost all of those assistants.  We pay a crap wage and in turn we get crap loyalty. 

that and nobody cracked the whip on assistants harder than old Bill.

July 12, 2006, 03:28:07 PM
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"Who were the well known coaches that KSU "opted" out of that wanted to come here?"

nobody top level wanted to come here, that's the problem.  When your only willing to go $750,000 a year the big boys don't even return your calls.  I bet when Venables takes the leap he will be on the market for atleast a half million more than what we got Prince for.  who knows who would have been interested in us if we had 1.5 mill on the table