"What do you specifically see that makes you think Frank Martin can't coach?"

[catzacker]

I have to admit, I was damn impressed with Frank Martin's Bill Self's coaching job in that Xavier Villanova game.  To keep it within 26 21 was a testament to how well-coached and fundamentally sound K-State's ku's team is.

FYP.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=250220222

[sonofdaxjones]

I noticed the Top 3 winning coaches since 1999 were all guys who usually get favorable treatment by officials within conference play . . . once they get to the tourney though, they have a propensity to get bounced despite their supposed "superstar" talent.   Those 3 guys have combined for a whole 2 national titles since 1999, and one walked into the best talent he's ever had.    The other, hasn't made the Final Four yet.

[I_have_purplewood]

I can't believe no one has hit on this yet, he's Cuban or Puerto Rican or something.  When was the last time they did anything in the Olympics?

[sonofdaxjones]

I'll say in the first 4 games of the conference season Frank has done a good job of just rolling the ball out there and letting them play.  It's been great to see the guys come up with their own offensive sets, call their own defense . . . when Beasley called those half court chase/trips against ISU and CU, and put on the token full court pressure to change the pace of the game . . . pure genius. 

If Mike gets hurt, he could coach D1 almost immediately.

Frank has excelled at letting the guys run the show.

[WilliamTheWildcat]

BUT....

I think we can all agree getting players like Beasley and Walker to Manhattan is an anomaly.  I reserve right to judgment on his capability until we see a more realistic amount of talent in Manhattan.  I could see this whole thing imploding in 2-3 years.  I could also see him having a reasonable amount of success with slightly less talent.

So in order to prove himself, Martin has to go get inferior talent and then coach it up to to being superior talent.

Hell, I'd love to see a LOT of coaches do that.

[McGrowlTowelZac]

Nothing.  He has done a better job than I imagined he could have putting together the puzzle of this team.  I thought he would have problems finding a spot for so many similar players and a superstar in Beasley.

Walker's improvement (playing to original expectations) and Beasley's phenomenal year has made Frank's job easier, but it still could have imploded with the other guys not seeing the ball as much.  Also he has been able to get these amazing players to actually play defense; I also thought he would struggle with that.

I am willing to say he is a better coach and far exceeded expectations I had for him thus far...

BUT....

I think we can all agree getting players like Beasley and Walker to Manhattan is an anomaly.  I reserve right to judgment on his capability until we see a more realistic amount of talent in Manhattan.  I could see this whole thing imploding in 2-3 years.  I could also see him having a reasonable amount of success with slightly less talent.

I would grade his coaching ability as - "Too Soon to Tell; but looks promising" which is a huge upgrade from - "What a joke they hired that guy."

Way to go out on a limb there.  Martin will either be a good coach or he will suck.  What a bold analysis.

[Ben]

I'll say in the first 4 games of the conference season Frank has done a good job of just rolling the ball out there and letting them play.  It's been great to see the guys come up with their own offensive sets, call their own defense . . . when Beasley called those half court chase/trips against ISU and CU, and put on the token full court pressure to change the pace of the game . . . pure genius. 

If Mike gets hurt, he could coach D1 almost immediately.

Frank has excelled at letting the guys run the show.

If K-State went 13-3 in the Big 12 this year (with a team dominated by underclassmen) and won the Big 12 Tournament would Frank Martin be considered a good coach?

[WilliamTheWildcat]

I'd have to say "Yes". 

 

[JavaCat]

OMG! HE SCREAMS AND HE CURSES!

[sys]

If K-State went 13-3 in the Big 12 this year (with a team dominated by underclassmen) and won the Big 12 Tournament would Frank Martin be considered a good coach?

martin would.  self wouldn't.  which is fair.

[dohminator]

The reason I think that Frank Martin can coach is that we have seen consistent improvement in the players from the beginning of the season.  We have a lot of freshmen, and they are all playing much much better than at the beginning of the year.  That's to be expected, but even returning players have improved over the season.  Just look at Darren Kent or Stewart as my prime examples.  Granted some players like Colon haven't improved much, but improvement over the season and year to year is something that we didn't see much of under people like Woolridge.  Under him, you were roughly as good as a senior as you were a freshman.  Maybe a little improvement, but not much.

[geesiskryst]

I have to admit, I was damn impressed with Frank Martin's coaching job in that Xavier game.  To keep it within 26 was a testament to how well-coached and fundamentally sound K-State's team is.

I have been equally impressed by the way Self can take talent loaded teams and constantly lose to inferior opposition in the tourney.  The man is a genius.

"we're ku and everyone gives us their 'A' game. etc. etc. etc. blah blah blah rock chalk."

[yosh]

I agree that we aren't likely to see many top 10 guys in the future, but we have two other top 100 guys in Sutton and Clemente with 2 committed for the 09 team.  It wouldn't be a stretch at all to say we'll have a starting line-up of all top 100 players within a year after Beasley and Walker are gone.  With that kind of base talent, it might not be impossible to get another top 20 player here or there in the future.

Clemente RSCI#95
Sutton RSCI #81
Kelly RSCI #30
Judge RSCI #40 (top 20 rivals)
McGruder top 100 ESPN, Rivals (top 150 in other RSCI ratings)
Pullen top 100 ESPN (top 150 scout)
Hererra top 100 Scout

7 deep w/ top 100s (and counting) within a year after Beasley and Walker are gone.   I underestimated Frank.  Jus sayin'.

[pissclams]

frank offers boyd and he'll sign imo

[fatty fat fat]

I agree that we aren't likely to see many top 10 guys in the future, but we have two other top 100 guys in Sutton and Clemente with 2 committed for the 09 team.  It wouldn't be a stretch at all to say we'll have a starting line-up of all top 100 players within a year after Beasley and Walker are gone.  With that kind of base talent, it might not be impossible to get another top 20 player here or there in the future.

Clemente RSCI#95
Sutton RSCI #81
Kelly RSCI #30
Judge RSCI #40 (top 20 rivals)
McGruder top 100 ESPN, Rivals (top 150 in other RSCI ratings)
Pullen top 100 ESPN (top 150 scout)
Hererra top 100 Scout

7 deep w/ top 100s (and counting) within a year after Beasley and Walker are gone.   I underestimated Frank.  Jus sayin'.

you slut. I was reading this thread from the beginning (knowing full well it was old) and when I passed by your post I was like, "Damn. Yosh nailed that"

 

btw, wish we'd get that rusty back. 

[treysolid]

frank offers boyd and he'll sign imo

i think boyd claims we have offered.

[pissclams]

frank offers boyd and he'll sign imo

i think boyd claims we have offered.

i heard different but if we have and he didn't commit then me --->   

[treysolid]

The 6-5, 225-pound shooting guard claims offers from Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Marquette, Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Baylor, Western Kentucky and UConn among others.

http://newsok.com/recruiting-notebook/article/3260250/?tm=1214017489

[michigancat]

The 6-5, 225-pound shooting guard claims offers from Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Marquette, Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Baylor, Western Kentucky and UConn among others.

http://newsok.com/recruiting-notebook/article/3260250/?tm=1214017489

[rundown87]

I noticed that he drinks a lot of diet pepsi while coaching.  Personally, I think he should drink Diet Pepsi MAX, he's too laid back while coaching IMO.

[treysolid]

The 6-5, 225-pound shooting guard claims offers from Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Marquette, Kentucky, Pittsburgh, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Illinois, Baylor, Western Kentucky and UConn among others.

http://newsok.com/recruiting-notebook/article/3260250/?tm=1214017489

you calling terrence a liar?   

[doom]

Yes.  Tyree had an offer from Tennessee.   

[treysolid]

Yes.  Tyree had an offer from Tennessee.   

my post was facetious.  see original post.

frank offers boyd and he'll sign imo

i think boyd claims we have offered.

[KansasForever]

I have to admit, I was damn impressed with Frank Martin's coaching job in that Xavier game.  To keep it within 26 was a testament to how well-coached and fundamentally sound K-State's team is.

I have been equally impressed by the way Self can take talent loaded teams and constantly lose to inferior opposition in the tourney.  The man is a genius.

[steve dave]

Well played.  Really no answer for that.

[pissclams]

the streamers on the left of that picture remind me of a tie that Roy Williams once wore         to every game