Date: 28/07/25 - 07:50 AM   48060 Topics and 694399 Posts

Author Topic: Waks, do you like your MacBook?  (Read 2414 times)

January 14, 2008, 04:18:09 PM
Read 2414 times

kougar24

  • Scout Team Wildcat

  • Offline
  • **

  • 6966
  • Personal Text
    shame on you, non-believers
If so, why? Be specific, plz.

ECN has already weighed in heavily on this issue. He's fighting the good fight for Apple. Your turn.

January 14, 2008, 04:34:28 PM
Reply #1

pissclams

  • Administrator
  • All American

  • Offline
  • ********

  • 16026
  • Personal Text
    (worst non-premium poster at ksufans.com)
the gf has a mac book pro, i love it and want one very badly.


Cheesy Mustache QB might make an appearance.

New warning: Don't get in a fight with someone who doesn't even need to bother to buy ink.

January 14, 2008, 06:54:51 PM
Reply #2

ew2x4

  • Classless Cat
  • Senior Cub

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3510
  • Personal Text
    I'm with Coco.
I used a Macbook for 9 months during an internship. For a casual user, it's very good (sans the inflated price). Simple and clean. For a power user, I would not recommend it as there are many problems. If you want me to go further, let me know. I'm not sure what you'd use it for.

January 14, 2008, 07:06:20 PM
Reply #3

waks

  • Second String Wildcat

  • Offline
  • ****

  • 10290
  • Personal Text
    KSU Super Fan
I have a Pro and yeah, it's pretty sweet. I just dig the simplicity of it. I understand everything that's going on with it. It offers a lot more applications than any PC I've ever had and it's much more innovative. Haven't had a problem with it yet and everyone I've ever talked to that's owned a Mac seems to like it just as much. I just use it recreationally so I have no idea if it would work well with whatever it is that you would want to do with it but it more than meets my needs (music, movies, internet, etc.)

January 14, 2008, 07:32:52 PM
Reply #4

dr00d

  • Cub

  • Offline

  • 1301
    • EMAW
I'm going to make my comments- take them for what it is worth.  No, I'm not bagging on Waks personally or anyone else, but I think there are plenty of arguments to be made.  I will try to be fair and unbiased.

I have a Pro and yeah, it's pretty sweet. I just dig the simplicity of it.

To me, this sounds like a fifty year old that is overwhelmed with technology.  "I'm dumb and can't understand my computer" comes to mind.-- With simplicity, you lose functionality.  How do I queue up songs again without making a playlist in itunes?  Again, I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but these are the kind of things that make me beat my head into a wall... seriously guys, mp3 players have been out for 15 years and you can't make a hot list for on-the-fly queuing?

 
I understand everything that's going on with it. It offers a lot more applications than any PC I've ever had and it's much more innovative.

Huh?  What are you talking about?  AFAIK, 99% of Mac applications can be used on PC.  However only about half of PC applications can be used on a Mac.  I'd like some references on this, seriously.  Are they still giving people one button mouses? (I truly don't know the answer, not being a smart ass).  Give me hard examples of innovative features, please.


 
Haven't had a problem with it yet and everyone I've ever talked to that's pwn3d a Mac seems to like it just as much.

This where you hear the 'well...Mac uses the same proprietary hardware.  Therefore you don't have to write applications to work with a billion video cards, therefore you will have less bugs, therefore you will have less errors and problems with your machine...  It is all about the hardware my friends and while you can upgrade, you are paying twice the price because they have no competition in hardware.  The chances are good that most computers having issues should be blamed on the user itself rather than the operating system.  Now obviously, windows isn't a perfect system, but you have to admit that it made GIANT steps with XP.  Just having universal driver installation was a godsend in itself.

 
I just use it recreationally so I have no idea if it would work well with whatever it is that you would want to do with it but it more than meets my needs (music, movies, internet, etc.)

So you don't play games?  The only games that are made for Mac consistently are Blizzard games, every other company you have to hope and pray they make it compatible.  I suppose if you don't play games, then great, but I can buy a computer half the price to listen to music, movies, or internet...  On the same subject, if you use Firefox, you will have half the problem you have with IE 6/7 and it's lovely ability to grab spyware and malware among other things.

The one thing I will consistently give Mac credit for is in the graphic arts department.  Every year they seem to put together a system that can render drawings faster than PC.  To me, this is the major advantage.

The other thing that I hear as an absurd argument is that 'macs get no viruses.'  While it might be true in its present form, don't you believe as Mac gets a greater marketshare that these so called keyboard tough-guys will turn their sites to the Mac and cause the same havoc for you?  It is unrealistic to assume that Mac is so great that you cannot find any bug or any hole to sneak a trojan in the back door (and I'm not talking about your old rubbers, either). :goodevil:

Who knows 'what is best'--maybe I should just use ubuntu instead.

January 14, 2008, 07:41:37 PM
Reply #5

fatty fat fat

  • Premium Member
  • Hall of Fame

  • Offline
  • *******

  • 29013
  • Personal Text
    The very best.
don't mess with dr00d. he can crush your feelings.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

January 14, 2008, 09:03:01 PM
Reply #6

catdude33

  • Guest
Macs definitely look prettier.

January 14, 2008, 09:42:13 PM
Reply #7

ew2x4

  • Classless Cat
  • Senior Cub

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3510
  • Personal Text
    I'm with Coco.
dr00d- graphics is now basically identical. The move to Intel for Apple presented some advantages and huge disadvantages. Advantages are it can keep up speed wise with PC's. Disadvantage is the reliability. Macs suffer with being very reliable when running high end programs on the Intels. With all of the "it just works" nonsense Apple spews, I was highly disappointed with just how many crashes and bugs are found in OS X. But, it depends on what you'll use it for. So what will be its main purpose, Koug?

January 15, 2008, 12:38:14 AM
Reply #8

ksuno1stunner

  • Guest
vmware fusion FTW

i'm assuming waks has at least 2gb ram

January 15, 2008, 09:08:57 AM
Reply #9

kougar24

  • Scout Team Wildcat

  • Offline
  • **

  • 6966
  • Personal Text
    shame on you, non-believers
Hooray for dr00d. I finally have found a PC advocate to participate in this little debate. Hadn't found one until now.

I'll be using it for a lot of photoshopping and video creation (so I'll get programs like Final Cut and PS CS3). I'll also do some programming on it, more's the pity (C++, Java, PHP primarily).

I don't play games on it, so that's not an issue.

I made a pretty nice little spreadsheet to weigh how important each computer spec is to me personally, and rank computers side-by-side accordingly. Here are the weights (higher number = more important):

Code: [Select]
Processor      210
Memory         300
Hard Drive     40
Screen         20
Weight         210
Battery Life   240
Thickness      75
OS             20   (OS X gets 20, XP gets 10, Vista 0)
CNET Review    96
Price          250


And here's how the laptops I've looked at rank so far:

Code: [Select]
1 Apple MacBook               292
2 Dell Inspiron 1420          274
3 Dell XPS M1330              271
4 Toshiba Satellite U305      255
5 Lenovo ThinkPad T61         238
6 HP Pavilion dv9500t         227


As you can see, giving OS X Leopard 20 "bonus points" over Vista is all that separates the MacBook from the 2 Dells. Thoughts?

January 15, 2008, 10:00:15 AM
Reply #10

ew2x4

  • Classless Cat
  • Senior Cub

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3510
  • Personal Text
    I'm with Coco.
If you're using CS3, I'd highly suggest not getting a Mac. There are various reasons. First is the color correction. Apple makes their monitors without the ability to adjust colors. Nvidia drivers are so poor for Macs, there are no color correction options. And most printer drivers are so poor, there are no color correction options for those either. Second, it's much more resource intensive on OSX. I have no idea why, but I had twice the RAM on my mac as my vista machine and it crashed every chance it got.

In all honesty, I'd recommend a Dell Latitude. Check these out:

http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/dec_blank_page?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

Right now there is a huge sale on them. They come with a 3 year warranty. etc.

January 15, 2008, 10:05:10 AM
Reply #11

dr00d

  • Cub

  • Offline

  • 1301
    • EMAW
How can you work on video and graphics and have a hard-drive as a 40?  I don't understand. 

This list of computers versus your spreadsheet really doesn't do a whole lot for me.  I have no idea how you set this up. 

It doesn't really matter though since you have some an 'awesome apartment' in Olathe of all places.  I'm just going to look like the poor asshole in the end.

January 15, 2008, 10:17:19 AM
Reply #12

kougar24

  • Scout Team Wildcat

  • Offline
  • **

  • 6966
  • Personal Text
    shame on you, non-believers
How can you work on video and graphics and have a hard-drive as a 40?  I don't understand. 

This list of computers versus your spreadsheet really doesn't do a whole lot for me.  I have no idea how you set this up. 

It doesn't really matter though since you have some an 'awesome apartment' in Olathe of all places.  I'm just going to look like the poor asshole in the end.

The internal hard drive is not important to me for 2 reasons: 1) Every model I looked at has a HD that's more than sufficient (120+ gigs) for me, and 2) if I do run out of space, external HDs are easy to come by and cheap. Therefore, the HD is not a deciding factor for me.

The list logic is quite simple: each computer gets awarded a portion of the "weight" points based on its proportion of that spec to its competitors. I.e., if the Weight for Memory was 90, and Computer 1 had 3GB while Computer 2 had 2GB, Computer 1 would get 54 points ([3/5]*90), while Computer 2 would get 36 points ([2/5]*90). And so on and so forth. The weights aren't in any unit of measurement; just an arbitrary number I assigned so that the specs are ranked in the proportion I want them to be.

ew2x4: You are going to have a war on your hands with ECN shortly, I'd wager.
« Last Edit: January 15, 2008, 10:23:26 AM by kougar24 »

January 15, 2008, 10:23:34 AM
Reply #13

ECN

  • Classless Cat
  • Second String Wildcat

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 12184
If you're using CS3, I'd highly suggest not getting a Mac. There are various reasons. First is the color correction. Apple makes their monitors without the ability to adjust colors. Nvidia drivers are so poor for Macs, there are no color correction options. And most printer drivers are so poor, there are no color correction options for those either. Second, it's much more resource intensive on OSX. I have no idea why, but I had twice the RAM on my mac as my vista machine and it crashed every chance it got.

In all honesty, I'd recommend a Dell Latitude. Check these out:

http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/dec_blank_page?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

Right now there is a huge sale on them. They come with a 3 year warranty. etc.

its a little early in the morn for crack, eh?
We all know there's been a conspiracy. Only the failures have been recorded.
We all pay too much attention to Icarus, and not enough to his father.

January 15, 2008, 10:26:41 AM
Reply #14

ew2x4

  • Classless Cat
  • Senior Cub

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3510
  • Personal Text
    I'm with Coco.
If you're using CS3, I'd highly suggest not getting a Mac. There are various reasons. First is the color correction. Apple makes their monitors without the ability to adjust colors. Nvidia drivers are so poor for Macs, there are no color correction options. And most printer drivers are so poor, there are no color correction options for those either. Second, it's much more resource intensive on OSX. I have no idea why, but I had twice the RAM on my mac as my vista machine and it crashed every chance it got.

In all honesty, I'd recommend a Dell Latitude. Check these out:

http://www.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/dec_blank_page?c=us&cs=04&l=en&s=bsd

Right now there is a huge sale on them. They come with a 3 year warranty. etc.

its a little early in the morn for crack, eh?

Which emo black turtle neck did you wear today?

January 15, 2008, 10:28:52 AM
Reply #15

ECN

  • Classless Cat
  • Second String Wildcat

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 12184
damn that steve dave!!

when i get done doing things in cs3 on my mac with no problem, while also running 5 other apps, ill respond better to this thread. but for now, ive got work to do.
We all know there's been a conspiracy. Only the failures have been recorded.
We all pay too much attention to Icarus, and not enough to his father.

January 15, 2008, 10:30:39 AM
Reply #16

kougar24

  • Scout Team Wildcat

  • Offline
  • **

  • 6966
  • Personal Text
    shame on you, non-believers
Less with the smack, more with the helping me buy a computer.

Oh, and no Latitudes, ew. If I get a Dell, it'll be one of the two I listed, which are Dell's best options at the moment.

January 15, 2008, 10:31:28 AM
Reply #17

ECN

  • Classless Cat
  • Second String Wildcat

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 12184
dude. i yahoo'd you plenty of info.

it was great info.
We all know there's been a conspiracy. Only the failures have been recorded.
We all pay too much attention to Icarus, and not enough to his father.

January 15, 2008, 10:33:13 AM
Reply #18

kougar24

  • Scout Team Wildcat

  • Offline
  • **

  • 6966
  • Personal Text
    shame on you, non-believers
dude. i yahoo'd you plenty of info.

it was great info.

Yes, yes you did. And I appreciate it immensely. But that was only one side of the coin. You've finally got opposition now.

Fight (with computer arguments)! Fight to the death!

January 15, 2008, 11:05:30 AM
Reply #19

steve dave

  • Administrator
  • All American

  • Offline
  • ********

  • 23600
  • Personal Text
    Romantic Fist Attachment
<---------Click the ball

January 15, 2008, 11:21:17 AM
Reply #20

ew2x4

  • Classless Cat
  • Senior Cub

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3510
  • Personal Text
    I'm with Coco.
Have you thought outside the box? Asus makes some great laptops (they used to manufacture Apple laptops, now Clevo does, i think).

http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusf8sv.html

January 15, 2008, 11:29:13 AM
Reply #21

ECN

  • Classless Cat
  • Second String Wildcat

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 12184
bro in law has one of those.
We all know there's been a conspiracy. Only the failures have been recorded.
We all pay too much attention to Icarus, and not enough to his father.

January 15, 2008, 11:30:00 AM
Reply #22

ew2x4

  • Classless Cat
  • Senior Cub

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3510
  • Personal Text
    I'm with Coco.
bro in law has one of those.

How does he like it? I came pretty close to getting one, but it was out of my price range at the time.

January 15, 2008, 11:34:29 AM
Reply #23

kougar24

  • Scout Team Wildcat

  • Offline
  • **

  • 6966
  • Personal Text
    shame on you, non-believers
Have you thought outside the box? Asus makes some great laptops (they used to manufacture Apple laptops, now Clevo does, i think).

http://store.agearnotebooks.com/asusf8sv.html

Yes, I've looked at all kinds of brands, including Asus. Turns out, Dell really does make the best PCs, bang-for-buck-wise.

January 15, 2008, 11:35:16 AM
Reply #24

ECN

  • Classless Cat
  • Second String Wildcat

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 12184
bro in law has one of those.

How does he like it? I came pretty close to getting one, but it was out of my price range at the time.

dude loves it. he has 3 laptops, uses that one most.
We all know there's been a conspiracy. Only the failures have been recorded.
We all pay too much attention to Icarus, and not enough to his father.

January 15, 2008, 11:40:19 AM
Reply #25

dr00d

  • Cub

  • Offline

  • 1301
    • EMAW
Chupa and I don't have to argue on the intarwebs.

January 15, 2008, 11:41:34 AM
Reply #26

kougar24

  • Scout Team Wildcat

  • Offline
  • **

  • 6966
  • Personal Text
    shame on you, non-believers
Chupa and I don't have to argue on the intarwebs.

Yes you do. Chupa is killing you right now, and I'm going to get a MacBook, and it'll be all your fault. So step it up.

January 15, 2008, 11:43:10 AM
Reply #27

dr00d

  • Cub

  • Offline

  • 1301
    • EMAW
Chupa is only killing me with mind bullets.  He ain't got crap on PC.  I'm bringing my replay booth.

January 15, 2008, 11:58:08 AM
Reply #28

ECN

  • Classless Cat
  • Second String Wildcat

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 12184
We all know there's been a conspiracy. Only the failures have been recorded.
We all pay too much attention to Icarus, and not enough to his father.

January 15, 2008, 11:58:42 AM
Reply #29

ew2x4

  • Classless Cat
  • Senior Cub

  • Offline
  • ***

  • 3510
  • Personal Text
    I'm with Coco.
Chupa and I don't have to argue on the intarwebs.

Yes you do. Chupa is killing you right now, and I'm going to get a MacBook, and it'll be all your fault. So step it up.

Have you used OS X before? If so, decide from that. If not, load VM Ware and try it out. That and your status in society are all that's the difference between the Mac and PC.