LOL @ WoW commericals.

[ChicagoCat]

Pretty donkish statement.  Maybe short term, but long term it's 100% skill.  Until I started visiting poker forums, I had no idea how much crap you need to know.

 

Long term with great skill and bankroll management you should come out ahead.  However, one tourny a year with 8K people and only hoping for first, you will have to be as lucky as good.  Howver, if you are really skilled, you should make the cash in the tourny enough too make up for the entry.  That said, if you can only barely scratch together 10K, even with all the skill in the world it is prob a bad idea to enter, bad bankroll management.

[ksuno1stunner]

I guess it is for the WSOP, but really, that's not where most of them make their money.

[ChicagoCat]

I guess my whole point is to read up on those boards about bankroll management.  Its like on TV, Matusow is a pretty good player but is always broke because bad bankroll management.  If you put all your eggs in one basket (one tourney) you are leaving a lot to luck, however by spreading it out over many smaller tournaments, you can hedge your bets and force bad luck to beat you about 10 times, assuming you rock.

[dr00d]

Pretty donkish statement.  Maybe short term, but long term it's 100% skill.  Until I started visiting poker forums, I had no idea how much crap you need to know.

How many of the pure skill players made it to the final table this year, what about last year?  Of any of the guys on the final table this year, how many started playing poker in the last two-three years? 

 1. Jerry Yang $ 8,250,000 
 2. Tuan Lam $ 4,840,981 
 3. Raymond Rahme $ 3,048,025 
 4. Alexander Kravchenko $ 1,852,721 
 5. Jon Kalmar $ 1,255,069 
 6. Hevad (RainKhan) Khan $ 956,243 
 7. Lee Childs $ 705,229 
 8. Lee Watkinson $ 585,699 
 9. Phillip Hilm $ 525,934 
 10. Steve Garfinkle $ 476,926

Lee Watkinson was the most experienced and dare I say most skilled person on that table.  He has cashed in 10 seperate tournaments back to 2004!

If you want to play in the WSOP as a goal, then great dude, I don't blame you.  I'm sure it will be hella fun and I hope to get there too, but I'll be damned if I'm throwing down 10k bones for it.  That is just ridiculous.  Either you have too much money or your ego is HUGE to think you can get through all these people and walk right into the final table based on skill.

Look at Moneymaker, that is all you need to see.  The guy made two good plays the entire tournament.  The rest was dumb ass luck.

I plan on playing in the 200 dollar buyins at harrah's this year to roll into the tournament.  This is by far your best shot.  It gives you table/tourney experience and it doesn't cost nearly as much.  At least at these tournaments there are normally only ~80ish people to play.  If you want to meet up, let me know.  I'm going to start getting my game ready again.  It is so much different on the table.

[ksuno1stunner]

Pretty donkish statement.  Maybe short term, but long term it's 100% skill.  Until I started visiting poker forums, I had no idea how much crap you need to know.

How many of the pure skill players made it to the final table this year, what about last year?  Of any of the guys on the final table this year, how many started playing poker in the last two-three years? 

 1. Jerry Yang $ 8,250,000 
 2. Tuan Lam $ 4,840,981 
 3. Raymond Rahme $ 3,048,025 
 4. Alexander Kravchenko $ 1,852,721 
 5. Jon Kalmar $ 1,255,069 
 6. Hevad (RainKhan) Khan $ 956,243 
 7. Lee Childs $ 705,229 
 8. Lee Watkinson $ 585,699 
 9. Phillip Hilm $ 525,934 
 10. Steve Garfinkle $ 476,926

Lee Watkinson was the most experienced and dare I say most skilled person on that table.  He has cashed in 10 seperate tournaments back to 2004!

If you want to play in the WSOP as a goal, then great dude, I don't blame you.  I'm sure it will be hella fun and I hope to get there too, but I'll be damned if I'm throwing down 10k bones for it.  That is just ridiculous.  Either you have too much money or your ego is HUGE to think you can get through all these people and walk right into the final table based on skill.

Look at Moneymaker, that is all you need to see.  The guy made two good plays the entire tournament.  The rest was dumb ass luck.

I plan on playing in the 200 dollar buyins at harrah's this year to roll into the tournament.  This is by far your best shot.  It gives you table/tourney experience and it doesn't cost nearly as much.  At least at these tournaments there are normally only ~80ish people to play.  If you want to meet up, let me know.  I'm going to start getting my game ready again.  It is so much different on the table.

Yea, I was just trying to disagree with you due to our internet rivalry.

Yang was by far the worst player, but he did the best thing he could to maximize his chance at winning.  He had good cards, and with the blinds so high, all he had to do was push and let luck take over.  A lot of players are good though, I think Kravchenko has a bracelet and RainKhan is insane.

I would love to buy in 200, but I'm not quite old enough Find me in one year.  It's not too good of odds either, 80:1 chance so it'd be like paying a buy-in of 16,000 in the long run, however, you're probably better than that.  WSOP isn't really a goal though, my main goal is trying to eventually crush medium stakes NL online, since then everything else will take care of itself: 10,000 would just be pocket change, and I wouldn't have to worry about money ever again (winning players at MSNL usually average $200+ per hour multitabling, even with variance figured in).  Easier said then done though, the faq I'm trying to study up on has so much material to learn, and that's just for micro stakes.  You should check out the link though, even though it's micro and for cash games, they have a lot of good info that will help you get your basics down.  You'll learn a lot more on that site than articles and even books.  LMK how you do this year.

I feel like I'm namedropping poker a lot, so I will STFU if anyone asks.

[fatty fat fat]

is poker the one where you add up the #'s and hope to hit 31?

[ksuno1stunner]

is poker the one where you add up the #'s and hope to hit 31?

You're really good at math and all that crap, you could destroy online poker if you wanted to.

Course, I am too, that's why I'm giving it a shot.

Top 2 guys at WSOP were asian!