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November 11, 2007, 01:14:03 PM
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It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

November 11, 2007, 01:21:28 PM
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JMart nails it again.
Scary time for ksu fball.

November 11, 2007, 02:32:25 PM
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Martin nails it, exactly. It basically shifts the focus to Wieser and what should be done about him - if anything?
Is Wieser expendable in the near future, to set up a situation where the new AD would evaluate Prince and make the ultimate decision?

It's easy to talk about replacing this person or that one, but who would replace TW? What are the options for K-State?
R.J.

November 11, 2007, 04:32:31 PM
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Answer me these questions.  If we didn't have the personnel to run the 3-4, how come we looked like a near dominant defense earlier in the season?  IMO, the defense looks worlds different right now because of two reasons:

1. The players aren't playing with any emotion like they were at the beginning of the season.  They look disinterested, like maybe they feel like they have failed already because after losses to Oklahoma State and Iowa State, they were mathematically an also ran in the North.  Did Prince set them up to fail by harping on San Antonio Dec. 1 so many times as the main goal and after falling short, they feel there is little to play for besides another meaningless bowl game?  The bottom line is their body language says it all.  They looked like Nebraska has all year.  Just disinterested and no emotion whatsoever.

2. Depth has taken a huge hit because of injuries and disqualifications.  This isn't an excuse, this is reality, on both sides of the ball.  We aren't able to rotate quality players as often as this defense needs and it shows, especially up front.

I feel that saying we don't have the personnel to play the 3-4 when it has proven to be effective against top 25 teams is a cop out.  What has changed since then?  Not the formation.

Next question:  Would the balance of power in football in the state have been termed shifting at this point last season?  When ku was struggling to make bowl eligibility but falling short and we beat Texas and went to a bowl game?  My point is, how can it shift so rapidly in 1 season?  Maybe if ku plays for a National title, I could see it, but that is a LONG shot right now.  Really long.  Beating Missouri and Oklahoma, both top 10 teams, in back to back weeks when they haven't even played a legit top 25 team all season is a monumental task for Kansas.  I mean, what if KSU goes on a similar run next year when ku is struggling against Texas and Oklahoma and hits the skids?  That's a real possibility.  Would it still have shifted in favor of Kansas at that point?  The fact remains they have no signature win to prove they are worthy of a top 10 ranking.  They are just beating a bunch of mediocre to bad teams because they have a schedule sent from heaven.  One season doesn't make a complete shift in the strength of a program.  It takes a good 3-4 years at a minimum for that to happen.
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Show me defense.

November 11, 2007, 04:36:27 PM
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Scary time for ksu fball.

There is nothing "scary" about death.  Simply accept it and the fear is removed.

November 11, 2007, 04:40:30 PM
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Injuries to starters.

November 11, 2007, 04:45:40 PM
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Answer me these questions.  If we didn't have the personnel to run the 3-4, how come we looked like a near dominant defense earlier in the season?  IMO, the defense looks worlds different right now because of two reasons:

1. The players aren't playing with any emotion like they were at the beginning of the season.  They look disinterested, like maybe they feel like they have failed already because after losses to Oklahoma State and Iowa State, they were mathematically an also ran in the North.  Did Prince set them up to fail by harping on San Antonio Dec. 1 so many times as the main goal and after falling short, they feel there is little to play for besides another meaningless bowl game?  The bottom line is their body language says it all.  They looked like Nebraska has all year.  Just disinterested and no emotion whatsoever.

2. Depth has taken a huge hit because of injuries and disqualifications.  This isn't an excuse, this is reality, on both sides of the ball.  We aren't able to rotate quality players as often as this defense needs and it shows, especially up front.

I feel that saying we don't have the personnel to play the 3-4 when it has proven to be effective against top 25 teams is a cop out.  What has changed since then?  Not the formation.

Next question:  Would the balance of power in football in the state have been termed shifting at this point last season?  When ku was struggling to make bowl eligibility but falling short and we beat Texas and went to a bowl game?  My point is, how can it shift so rapidly in 1 season?  Maybe if ku plays for a National title, I could see it, but that is a LONG shot right now.  Really long.  Beating Missouri and Oklahoma, both top 10 teams, in back to back weeks when they haven't even played a legit top 25 team all season is a monumental task for Kansas.  I mean, what if KSU goes on a similar run next year when ku is struggling against Texas and Oklahoma and hits the skids?  That's a real possibility.  Would it still have shifted in favor of Kansas at that point?  The fact remains they have no signature win to prove they are worthy of a top 10 ranking.  They are just beating a bunch of mediocre to bad teams because they have a schedule sent from heaven.  One season doesn't make a complete shift in the strength of a program.  It takes a good 3-4 years at a minimum for that to happen.

do you honestly believe KSU would be 10-0 with this schedule this year?  hell no, ku is a good fball team this year.  people just need to come to terms with this.  and they only lose one guy off each side of the ball next year. 

November 11, 2007, 05:11:30 PM
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Answer me these questions.  If we didn't have the personnel to run the 3-4, how come we looked like a near dominant defense earlier in the season?  IMO, the defense looks worlds different right now because of two reasons:

1. The players aren't playing with any emotion like they were at the beginning of the season.  They look disinterested, like maybe they feel like they have failed already because after losses to Oklahoma State and Iowa State, they were mathematically an also ran in the North.  Did Prince set them up to fail by harping on San Antonio Dec. 1 so many times as the main goal and after falling short, they feel there is little to play for besides another meaningless bowl game?  The bottom line is their body language says it all.  They looked like Nebraska has all year.  Just disinterested and no emotion whatsoever.

2. Depth has taken a huge hit because of injuries and disqualifications.  This isn't an excuse, this is reality, on both sides of the ball.  We aren't able to rotate quality players as often as this defense needs and it shows, especially up front.

I feel that saying we don't have the personnel to play the 3-4 when it has proven to be effective against top 25 teams is a cop out.  What has changed since then?  Not the formation.

Next question:  Would the balance of power in football in the state have been termed shifting at this point last season?  When ku was struggling to make bowl eligibility but falling short and we beat Texas and went to a bowl game?  My point is, how can it shift so rapidly in 1 season?  Maybe if ku plays for a National title, I could see it, but that is a LONG shot right now.  Really long.  Beating Missouri and Oklahoma, both top 10 teams, in back to back weeks when they haven't even played a legit top 25 team all season is a monumental task for Kansas.  I mean, what if KSU goes on a similar run next year when ku is struggling against Texas and Oklahoma and hits the skids?  That's a real possibility.  Would it still have shifted in favor of Kansas at that point?  The fact remains they have no signature win to prove they are worthy of a top 10 ranking.  They are just beating a bunch of mediocre to bad teams because they have a schedule sent from heaven.  One season doesn't make a complete shift in the strength of a program.  It takes a good 3-4 years at a minimum for that to happen.

do you honestly believe KSU would be 10-0 with this schedule this year?  hell no, ku is a good fball team this year.  people just need to come to terms with this.  and they only lose one guy off each side of the ball next year. 

No, I know they are a legit team this year.  My point is Kansas isn't the better program because they have one good season.  I know they are a very good team this year.  I believe they are a top 15 team but I don't believe that means they have surpassed our program.  They don't have a better program, they just have the better team this year.  I will admit, they have caught up to us.
Show me defense.

November 11, 2007, 05:40:07 PM
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Answer me these questions.  If we didn't have the personnel to run the 3-4, how come we looked like a near dominant defense earlier in the season?
I can't remember who it was that said it, I think either Fan or Rusty, but they nailed it when they said it's because the 3-4 has been put on film.  Coordinators didn't know how to attack it early on in the season because they hadn't seen it.  Now they've got plenty of gamefilm and know exactly where to attack it.

November 11, 2007, 05:53:25 PM
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Answer me these questions.  If we didn't have the personnel to run the 3-4, how come we looked like a near dominant defense earlier in the season?
I can't remember who it was that said it, I think either Fan or Rusty, but they nailed it when they said it's because the 3-4 has been put on film.  Coordinators didn't know how to attack it early on in the season because they hadn't seen it.  Now they've got plenty of gamefilm and know exactly where to attack it.

But if players aren't playing at the level and intensity they are suppose to, it won't matter what you're in or what the other team does, they will gain yards and score.  All you had to do was look at the players body language.  I refuse to believe it's the formation that is causing such a collapse just because it was put on film.  It's way more than that.
Show me defense.

November 11, 2007, 06:46:32 PM
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no depth and marginal talent has caught up.

November 11, 2007, 06:54:44 PM
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Answer me these questions.  If we didn't have the personnel to run the 3-4, how come we looked like a near dominant defense earlier in the season?
I can't remember who it was that said it, I think either Fan or Rusty, but they nailed it when they said it's because the 3-4 has been put on film.  Coordinators didn't know how to attack it early on in the season because they hadn't seen it.  Now they've got plenty of gamefilm and know exactly where to attack it.

But if players aren't playing at the level and intensity they are suppose to, it won't matter what you're in or what the other team does, they will gain yards and score.  All you had to do was look at the players body language.  I refuse to believe it's the formation that is causing such a collapse just because it was put on film.  It's way more than that.
I agree we're not playing as hard on defense.  You can blame that on a lot of things, the players, the coaches, being disheartened because the weakspots of our defense keep getting abused and we're unable to do anything about it, lack of depth, injuries on top of all that..The list goes on.

November 11, 2007, 08:18:53 PM
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Answer me these questions.  If we didn't have the personnel to run the 3-4, how come we looked like a near dominant defense earlier in the season?
I can't remember who it was that said it, I think either Fan or Rusty, but they nailed it when they said it's because the 3-4 has been put on film.  Coordinators didn't know how to attack it early on in the season because they hadn't seen it.  Now they've got plenty of gamefilm and know exactly where to attack it.

But if players aren't playing at the level and intensity they are suppose to, it won't matter what you're in or what the other team does, they will gain yards and score.  All you had to do was look at the players body language.  I refuse to believe it's the formation that is causing such a collapse just because it was put on film.  It's way more than that.

Dude, there was a case study on this a few years ago:  the KC Chiefs defense under Greg Robinson.  All the players and fans said was "it's the system, it's the system"....then Gunther comes in and changes the system and what happens?....suckage continues.....it's only until they get D. Johnson, T. Hali, and others added to their defense (basically get better players) and magically they have a good defense. 

The defense sucks for the following reasons, in this order:

(1) players suck - the roster didn't have the players for a 4-3, let alone a 3-4.  thank bill Snyder and Co for forgetting to recruit.

(2) coaching sucks - we've been put on film and teams do the exact same thing to us week in and week out.  it's freaking groundhog day out there and we make no adjustments, but even if we did, see #1 as to why they won't matter anyways.