Another yr like this and Prince needs to go........

[cat99]

Today was the straw that broke the camels back for me.  Some of you may remember me from the gopowercat, that pussy  fitzgerald got tired of the truth about our teams and kicked me off. 

Having witnessed every game in person over the last 10 years I have never seen a 3 game stretch like the last 3.  There is absoultely no emotion from this team, from warm ups to the final buzzer 99% of this team looks like they are heading to a quantum physics class instead of getting ready to play a football game.  As much as we would all like to blame the players for this, it is not necessarily their fault, its coaching and failing to recruit young people that can develop into the leaders you need to have a successful football program.  Some of you may say that since he's only had one real recruiting class and we should wait, I don't think you are off base.  The only thing I can say to that is he is trying to make Freeman a leader, he isn't a natural leader and that won't change, but Prince will never change his  thinking that leaders are made, not born.

Failure to secure recruits that can lead a football team isn't the only problem, actually it may be the least of our problems.  While it's true that, and no one can really say otherwise, that our offensive and defensive lines are very poor at best, that is no excuse for the fact that that there is not continual development of our lineman's skills in any phase of either run or pass blocking, or getting off blocks, rip and swim techniques for the defensive line.  In fact I dare say at this juncture those skills among the offensive lineman are actually diminishing!  Stepping with the wrong feet, not taking proper angels, leaning into your blocks and pass protection, not keeping your head on a swivel, just knowing who you are to block on every play, all have been getting worse by the game the last three games.  Outside of Jordy there is no development in the WR's to run clean routes and catch the ball.  The tight ends are still very poor blockers and have suspect hands, and the rb's seem to be stuck at one skillset level.

I think you have to ask yourself are the players getting better everyday?  I say no, and its been a consistent no, time to move on and get a coach with a proven track record of being a winner and developing players, that is not Prince. 

[fatty fat fat]

Son of a bitch. You are right.

[kstate16]

other teams get better as the year goes by....we get exponentially worse. prince's scary smart strategy.

[acceleration_man]

I don't know if it comes down to that quite yet... but you're for sure spot on when you say "I think you have to ask yourself are the players getting better everyday?" It sure is hard to argue that this has happened on a consistent basis. This was Snyder's measuring stick. I'll run with that, TYVM.

I changed my mind. It does come down to that. I'll give Prince one more year, but measurable improvement needs to be visible throughout the year.

[Bookcat]

We need SOOOOOOO much help in the trenches.  We have no push on either side of the ball. The 3-4 ruined our pass rush.

[S. Parker]

I think Prince is a pretty good coach, and I think you are jumping the gun a little bit on this talk.

Snyder was a great coach, but he really didn't leave Prince with much, and in the DL and OL especially you guys are hurting, which we knew coming into this season. That takes time to fix.

I think Prince has gotten a lot out of what he was given thus far, and I would be patient.

[chum1]

Does Prince want the players to be business like?  I kinda think so.

[acceleration_man]

Parker... from out of nowhere! WB.

The hammer hasn't dropped on Prince yet, but I'm not going to tolerate any of the coaches tolerating this type of loss. Accountability starts at the top.

[PCR]

ku and MU have been pretty patient with their coaches--and you see what that got them!!!!  Mediocre play year in and year out, that's what!  Oh... you say they're in the top 5 of the BCS this year?  nevermind

[acceleration_man]

ku and MU have been pretty patient with their coaches--and you see what that got them!!!!  Mediocre play year in and year out, that's what!  Oh... you say they're in the top 5 of the BCS this year?  nevermind

Um... in case you haven't noticed, ku/Missou haven't been ranked in the top 10, experienced 6 eleven win seasons, been sending players to the NFL, etc. over the last 15 years. If you want to say that it's 1989 all over again, I'm saying that I'm not going to accept that.

[chum1]

I don't think we want to wait until the most f-ed up college football season ever comes around to get ranked in the top ten, either.

[S. Parker]

Parker... from out of nowhere! WB.

The hammer hasn't dropped on Prince yet, but I'm not going to tolerate any of the coaches tolerating this type of loss. Accountability starts at the top.

Sorry I've been gone for awhile. I've pretty much been gone from this board since our season started because i've been busy with work.

I came by tonight because I felt bad about the score. Callahan hates Prince and he is working on his resume, so he was willing to run it up. Sorry about that.

I like watching us beat you guys, of course, but we should have cut it in the fifties. The attempted half-back pass in the final minutes made me kind of sick.

[acceleration_man]

The attempted half-back pass in the final minutes made me kind of sick.

Us too... but for an entirely different reason. 

[kstate16]

every big 12 coach absolutely owns Prince...except hawkins.

[ksdb]

every big 12 coach absolutely owns Prince...except hawkins.

And Mack Brown.

[WildCatzPhreak]

every big 12 coach absolutely owns Prince...except hawkins.

And Mack Brown.

And it is good to get some pent up anxiety released considering how some of our games against those two specific teams have ended over the last 10 years.  If he can consistantly beat A&M too, I'll be pretty content (for a while.)  Sure, losing to teams like ku, NU, and MU sucks, but at least we're finally beating those bastard teams that broke our hearts in past years.  (Specifically CU and A&M.)

[opcat]

Hey Catt99. You make some points.

since I am no expert at coaching football i am not really the one to know but my question is if this Oline works only passblocking in practices?

Prince has said and is on record saying football teams now are not built on the line of scrimmage but on the perimeter meaning wr's.  Boy that is dumb.

[Legore]

changes I would make next year:

In the o-line I'd go back to more physical guys and get rid of the leaner more mobile guys especially in the interior.  my two deep
lt- Alesana/ Aufner  Alesana has actually played ok outside of stupid penalties
lg- Viers or Unruh- put 15 pounds on Viers and don't ask him to snap it he'll be ok
c- Bedore/ Kendall- Bedore easily our best most physical guy
rg- Liu/ Spexarth- Spexarth is soft, Liu is physical struggles on the edge move him inside
rt- Stringer or Garcia- put some freaking weight on stringer already he has tools just no lead in his ass. If he can't gain weight start the big juco kid.

on offense:
RB-I'd recruit a true fullback out of JC and play him about half the time.  Need a more physical run game.  Also look to get Jeremy Reed carries to go along with Patton look what ku has done with the McAnderson and Sharpe duo.  Sounds like we'll sign the kid from coffeyville who is a patton type.  That is fine if we use him right and let Reed compliment the other two

WR- Not a lot you can do here.  Hopefully guys like Lamark and Pierce can develop.  Sign Broderick Smith and the best two JC receivers you can find.  Deon Murphey is the only proven guy we've got coming back.  Maybe look at Justin Woods or Dee Bell as slot WR's.

on defense:
I'd go back to the 4-3 and make the following moves:

Ian Campbell, Eric Childs and Olu Hall to d-end aling wtih Faustin and Kirk.  Childs and Hall both need to get up to about 240.  I'd still recruit probably two more JC d-ends to add to the mix. 

Abana and Rapheal Guidry to DT to go along with Balkcom, X Stewart, G Crews, and J Finau.  I'd also recruit one more JC DT to go with that group.     

LB- I think we need to sign a JC MLB.  A physical badass kind of guy.  Houlik battles but I'm not sure he's got the tools.   Walker needs to play outside in the 4-3.  Antwon Moore needs to be the starting WLB and Patterson back him up.  Patterson needs to hit the weight room for the first time in his life and gain 15 pounds.  Walker can play the strong side and be backed up by Ross Diehl.

DB- Not much we can do here.  Our safety's need to play more physical NU was running routes down the middle of the field with no fear all day Saturday.  Josh Moore back at corner will help a lot.  Cheatam is ok and it looks like we're going to bring in a couple of JC kids.  Maybe Tigner can get into the mix at safety and bring a more physical presence or maybe Courtney Herndon can help in that area.   Chandler seems to have regressed as they year went along.  Carney has good ball skills but he's not phsyical at all. 

[catzacker]

It really doesn't matter if you think Prince is a crapty coach, he still needs at least 2 more years.  Seriously, unless we go like 2-10 next year, then he should get at least his 4th  year.  You can't simply just change coaches after 2 years; no other coach worth a crap would come to KSU.  Hell, after winning the Big 12 and two bad years, all we were left with was Ron.  Leavitt didn't want it, Patterson didn't want it.  And what coach in his right f*cking mind wants to step into the future schedule that Ron has already laid out for the program. 

It's not that I'm happy with Ron's performance, but Bill got his ass handed to him by TT (although not as crappy as NU this year) in '05 and that's after being head coach for 17 years.  Seriously, even if you say Ron won with bill's players, that's something that even Bill couldn't do his final 2 years.   Our offensive and defensive lines have been in shambles since '03...did you think that 1 or 2 recruting classes was going to completely change that?  Part of the blame falls on ron's shoulders for sure, but Ron's where he's at, depth/talent wise, because bill quit recruiting.  Look at our seniors on senior day for f*ck sake.  This senior day will look a lot like '04 (Sproles = Jordy, every other senior no one really gives a crap about).

[michigancat]

The thing I don't get about Leavitt, is why everyone thinks he would do significantly better.  (even more than why everyone thinks he would leave)

I'd guess Gary Barnett wouldn't shy away from Ron's schedule, (which isn't NEARLY as tough as everyone is making it out to be). 

[catzacker]

The thing I don't get about Leavitt, is why everyone thinks he would do significantly better.  (even more than why everyone thinks he would leave)

I'd guess Gary Barnett wouldn't shy away from Ron's schedule, (which isn't NEARLY as tough as everyone is making it out to be). 

At least Schmidt would've stayed if Leavitt was here.  I think KSU fans would have believed more in Leavitt than they obviously do in Prince because he was a previous head coach (and apparently more importantly that he was a coach under Bill).  Basically, it'd just take longer for people to believe less in Leavitt than Prince, which in my opinion comes from having some sort of a track record.  It's easier to convince yourself that Leavitt would know what he's doing/where he's going rather than Prince, if that makes any sense. 

[Pete]

I think Prince has gotten a lot out of what he was given thus far, and I would be patient.

Matt Miller could have coached KSU to 6 wins last year.  The UT win was great, but the subsequent collapse negated that win.

Ron has done NOTHING.

[Pete]

I'd guess Gary Barnett wouldn't shy away from Ron's schedule, (which isn't NEARLY as tough as everyone is making it out to be). 

Remember that when you are making excuses for the next coach about the tough schedule that Ron and Tim left him.

It doesn't really matter either way....KSU football is dead.  We are now Baylor...better start following women's sports.

[michigancat]

I'd guess Gary Barnett wouldn't shy away from Ron's schedule, (which isn't NEARLY as tough as everyone is making it out to be). 

Remember that when you are making excuses for the next coach about the tough schedule that Ron and Tim left him.

It doesn't really matter either way....KSU football is dead.  We are now Baylor...better start following women's sports.

Didn't you tell me to stop being dramatic yesterday?

[swish1]

The thing I don't get about Leavitt, is why everyone thinks he would do significantly better.  (even more than why everyone thinks he would leave)

I'd guess Gary Barnett wouldn't shy away from Ron's schedule, (which isn't NEARLY as tough as everyone is making it out to be). 

you forget that gary barnett hates kstate.  while he is an outstanding coach, he is a dick of a human being and personally i think IF we could get leavitt or someone of that caliber it is worth not hiring the cheating asshat that is gary barnett.

[michigancat]

[KSt8er]

Okay, I'll say this once, and not one of you frackers need share this with the nubbs because he would be their best option evar.   Marty Shottenheimer, is looking for work.

[tmramrod91]

Okay, I'll say this once, and not one of you frackers need share this with the nubbs because he would be their best option evar.   Marty Shottenheimer, is looking for work.

So is Bill Cowher