05 vs. 07

[ksuno1stunner]

i thought i'd start a new thread since my post about this is buried in the other one


chandler-ku
childs-asu, csu, iowa, mizzou, t-tech, washington state, tulsa
diehl-asu, csu, colorado, ku, sdsu, wyoming
greer-grayshirt
herndon-ku, tulsa, i don't know about the rest, gp lists g-tech, houston, and vandy, scout doesn't list those
hollis-miss state, nu, baylor, duke
lewis (i know he didn't come, but still a recruiting victory for Snyder)-arkansas, smu, tcu, t-tech, tamu, wisconsin, ok state, ku
lopina-asu, arizona, oregon state
lowe-colorado, baylor, oregon
meyer-nobody
prater-iowa state, ku, michigan
richards-baylor
rosel-nobody
roxas-no F**King clue, i think he had a few pac 10 offers
stringer-ku, mizzou, ok state, oklahoma
taylor-ku, utep
unruh-i don't think anybody, his leg was broken
walker-colorado state, oregon, oregon state, unlv, washington, washington state,

18 hs commits, 50 offers (that i'm positive of), 39 bcs offers


this years class:
KSU
Clyde Aufner   - None
Demetrius Bell - ASU, CSU, Vandy, SMU
Lamark Brown - Indiana, ku, Mizzou, NU
Josh Cherry   - None
Jayson Cuba    - None
Kaleb Drinkgern - None
Colten Freeze   -None
Payton Kirk -None
Kendrick Matthews -UTEP   
J.J. Mullins   - None
Jeremy Reed - ku, Purdue
Kevin Rohleder   -None
Tyrone Sonier   - Indiana, Michigan State, Missouri, UTEP
A.J. Whitmore   - LTU
Justin Woods -None

15 Commits, 16 offers, 10 from BCS schools


of course 07 can catch up, but damn...they got a long ways to go.



edit: i miscounted...but you get the idea

[ksuno1stunner]

did a little more math...

05 averaged 2.78 offers and 2.17 bcs offers per player.

07 averages 1.07 offer (note singular) and .67 bcs offer(s?) per player.  of course this will increase, but still, snyder>prince in this regard.


*i'll do 02, 03, and 04 when i have time*

[chum1]

Any KSU recruiting class is marginal at best.  Making a comparison between any two of them is like trying to decide how much more you prefer your 35th most favorite food to your 60th most favorite food.  After the top ten or so, does it really matter?

[mjrod]

I don't get it.  If the final class hasn't been settled yet, why are you making the final class rankings vs. a class that has 8 more months to go?

Maybe you should go back to the time of the 2005 recruits in June of 2004 and see how many had committed, and if so, what offers they got.  In fact, you should go back and check the offers they got anyway before KSU offered.

That'd be a better comparison.

[ksuno1stunner]

04 Class

Alstatt - Indiana
Bedore - Tulsa
Boss - Kansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Oklahoma
D'Arcy - none
Darks - Arizona, Houston, Kansas, Washington State
Evridge - Colorado State, Iowa State, Nebraska
Faustin - Central Florida, East Carolina, Rutgers, Tulane, Western Michigan
Fisher - Iowa, Texas Tech, Utah
Graham - East Carolina, Iowa, Minnesota
Grigsby - Pittsburgh, Wisconsin
Hafferty - none
Handy - none
Hudson - Iowa State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Tulsa
Parker - none
Patton - 12 offers in june
Rooker - none
Schmidt - North Carolina
Spexarth - Kansas
Wilson - Iowa, Syracuse, West Virginia

19 commits, 47 offers, 38 bcs offers

2.47 offers and 2 bcs offers per player

o-line recruiting appears down in this class...and they are still a weakness

[sonofdaxjones]

It's freakin June and Stunner has it all figured out already.     

[ksuno1stunner]

03 Class

Baldwin - Iowa, Kansas, Wisconsin, Northern Illinois
Coleman - none
Garvin - none
Gaskins - none
Latimore - none
McCardle - Utah
Moran - Indiana
Moreira - Florida
Norwood - Kansas
Thompson - none

10 commits, 8 offers, 7 bcs offers

.8 offer(s?) and .7 bcs offer(s?) per player

  no wonder we suck.  04 and 05 snyder players kick ass though.

[ksuno1stunner]

02 Class

(btw, scout doesn't have all the players, and rivals doesn't have as many articles, so this was a little tougher)

Anders - none?
Archer - Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, North Carolina
Beuthin - Kansas
Clary - Nebraska, SMU
Echols - Colorado, Washington
Grandberry - Oklahoma State, tcu, Texas A&M, Texas Tech
Hedgpeth - NEI
Hill - none
Lowe - NEI
Mack - NEI
McKinney - none
McNeese - NEI
Meier - none
Robinson - NEI
Strozier - NEI
Thomas - NEI
Watts - none

recruiting info has come a long ways

[hubka7]

I say we only recruit players whose name end in -on  or -an or -en
this is can't miss crap right here!
ell roberson
quincy morgan
terrance newman
david allen
eric hickson
andre coleman
jordy nelson
victor mann-close enough
bryan hickman
rashad washington
lamar chapman

I'm sure there are more these are just people I've thought of  

[sonofdaxjones]

ell roberson-3 Stars
quincy morgan-3 stars, redshirted his first year at KSU
terrance newman-2 Offers
david allen-2 Offers
eric hickson-KSU probably wouldn't even look at him today.
andre coleman-unknown out of high school.
jordy nelson-walkon
victor mann-stealth recruit from a small private school in Texas as I recall.
bryan hickman 3 star
rashad washington 3 star
lamar chapman pretty much only ku and KSU interested as I recall.

I appreciate you making my point on how mostly unheralded to 3 star guys have been KSU best players.

Other top players that were basically unheard of out high school or lightly recruited:

Kevin Lockett
Chris Canty
Travis Ochs
Dirk Ochs
Jaime Mendez

[swish1]

http://scout.scout.com/a.z?s=173&p=9&c=8&yr=2002

the recruits from 2002

mckinney was only a 1 star, mo mack a 2, clary a 2, archer a 3, echols a 3, steve cline a 2, meier a 2, webb a 1

then you have the 5 star guys, randy jordan and daniel davis

the 4 stars were john cooper, andy bolman, tony madison, jesse (i cant spell or pronounce his last name), lilja, mike weiner, peni holakeituai

in this case the better team would be made up of the guys who were 3 stars or less and only lilja and jordan made a real difference from 4 and above

edit:  i missed jermaine berry who was a 4 star

[swish1]

and its classes like that why we suck now

[fatty fat fat]

app. the info kuno1stunner.

[Dan Rydell]

It's freakin June and Stunner has it all figured out already. 

As does Prince, obviously.

 

[Andy]

other than texas who notoriously offers early, whats the average offers given out at this point by most bcs schools?  would make this data pretty skewed for now.

[ksuno1stunner]

our 02 and 03 guys didn't have very many offers.  the 04 and 05 teams sucked.  it's easy to point out the good ksu players who didn't have very many offers, and ignore the hundred others who had no impact.  there's definately a higher percentage of high-offer players that panned out than not.

[FBWillie]

our 02 and 03 guys didn't have very many offers.  the 04 and 05 teams sucked.  it's easy to point out the good ksu players who didn't have very many offers, and ignore the hundred others who had no impact.  there's definately a higher percentage of high-offer players that panned out than not.

So you admit that every arguement you are making doesn't mean crap.

[ksuno1stunner]

our 02 and 03 guys didn't have very many offers.  the 04 and 05 teams sucked. it's easy to point out the good ksu players who didn't have very many offers, and ignore the hundred others who had no impact.  there's definately a higher percentage of high-offer players that panned out than not.

So you admit that every arguement you are making doesn't mean S**T.

nope