"Interest" from Miami is like a fart in a whirlwind.

[ksuno1stunner]

http://mb21.scout.com/fkansasstatefrm3.showMessage?topicID=15014.topic

 

[opcat]

Even funnier.

Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir

[ksuno1stunner]

Even funnier.

Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir

sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far.  however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.

Rivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.

With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).

So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.

crap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.

is Akron even 1a anymore?

[FBWillie]

Even funnier.

Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir

sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far.  however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.

Rivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.

With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).

So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.

crap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.

is Akron even 1a anymore?

[ksuno1stunner]

Even funnier.

Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir

sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far.  however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.

Rivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.

With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).

So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.

crap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.

is Akron even 1a anymore?

POST 69 ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  HAHAHAHAHAHA

69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   [/color][/size]
                                                     

[ksuno1stunner]

Even funnier.

Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir

sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far.  however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.

Rivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.

With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).

So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.

crap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.

is Akron even 1a anymore?

or judging from the other offers, it could be guaged now

[FBWillie]

only if you're agreeing with seattlehusker1 that

"scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.

[FBWillie]

Even funnier.

Cue ksuno1stunner with a derogatory comment about Amir

sorry, i have not yet ripped amir so far.  however, it blows my mind when fans actually spin interest into offers.

Rivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.

With that said, you can't measure "offers" until signing day either. Miami notoriously offers late. Schools like USC may be waiting on academic qualification OR offer late as a backup to a kid they lost (i.e. Marlon Lucky).

So, in summary "interested schools" is bogus and "scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.

crap, I was dissapointed. I thought I had some ammo to use against those jerks that talk bad about our recruits because very few of them have impressive offers or any offfers at all. I agree with those that say interest isn't an offer. Alot of big name teams send out questionaires to hundreds of kids to judge their interest in that team. Then they get back the questionaires and follow up with the kid and if they like him they will ask him to camp and or send tape of the player.

is Akron even 1a anymore?

POST 69 ALERT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  HAHAHAHAHAHA

69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   69   [/color][/size]
                                                     

Way to provide credibility that you're not a dumb ass.
Also, Nice edit.

[ksuno1stunner]

only if you're agreeing with seattlehusker1 that

"scholarship offers" should only be used as a guage of quality of recruit at the end of the recruiting process.

Rivals/Scout "interested" schools cannot be trusted. From my understanding those come directly from the kids who each have their own definition of "interested schools". For example, it could simply be they've received a letter from each of the schools. It always sounds more impressive to say that a perennial Top 10 team is interested you rather than Temple. This is why there are 4-5 schools listed on almost every Top 100 player in the country. During Nebraska's pinnacle of success at least 75% of the Top 100 listed kids mentioned Nebraska. Only a couple would actually commit to Nebraska but is sounds good to say the defending national champions want me.

however, that's his main point (notice the length of it in comparison, and him replying to a thread about "interest").  anyways, look at it realistically, he's been offered by east carolina, akron, and some other lowly schools.  there's a 99% chance miami won't offer.  nothing wrong with judging now

[ksuno1stunner]

Way to provide credibility that you're not a dumb ass.
Also, Nice edit.

you had to edit too.  what's the big deal?  i replied to you first, and then you highlighted it in red.

also i didn't want the smilies 69ing each other vertically.

[ksuno1stunner]

i thought i'd edit this post to elaborate a little bit...

Also, Nice edit.

« Last Edit: Today at 04:40:07 PM by FBWillie »

[FBWillie]

Way to provide credibility that you're not a dumb ass.
Also, Nice edit.

you had to edit too.  what's the big deal?  i replied to you first, and then you highlighted it in red.

also i didn't want the smilies 69ing each other vertically.

----My edit was to put greater emphases on a particular section of a post that I had already emphasized by making bold... after seeing it, I realized it needed greater emphasis... Hence the red text....    You deleted a post entirely.  

---- Merely pointing out 69 proves just how immature and childlike you are.

----I followed the whole 'interest' and 'offers' argument... What I was stating is there are so many factors to why a big school wouldn't offer this early.  You have no idea if big schools would offer this guy because no one hardly offers this early... So what he's not a top 10 guy?  Did we have top 10 guys in 98?  Judging now is basing your argument off of speculation and hearsay... NOT FACTUAL INFORMATION.  Have you watched film on these guys?  Do you know these guys personally?  Have you played against them?  What gives you any idea that they are bust other than they don't have offers from Schools that NEVER offer 8 months before signing?  Why is it so damn hard to believe that these kids are just as likely to excel as to fail?  And if the percentage of either one of those outcomes is even than you stating that they are either bust or hidden gems is only a claim to say I told you so if in fact they actually turn out busts.  YOU ARE ONLY BEING NEGATIVE BECAUSE YOU FEEL IT IS THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO AND HAVING SUCH BRILLIANT PROGNISTACATION SKILLS GIVES YOU SOME CONFIDENCE IN YOUR SAD PATHETIC LIFE.

What I see when I look at our commits are guys with the framework to become solid football players.  Will all of them pan out?  NO… Does every 5 star commit pan out? NO.  Do I have any other information than Height, weight, speed? NO.  Do you?  NO  
Does anyone know exactly what and how many offers these kids will have before they sign? NO

[swish1]

Way to provide credibility that you're not a dumb ass.
Also, Nice edit.

you had to edit too.  what's the big deal?  i replied to you first, and then you highlighted it in red.

also i didn't want the smilies 69ing each other vertically.

----My edit was to put greater emphases on a particular section of a post that I had already emphasized by making bold... after seeing it, I realized it needed greater emphasis... Hence the red text....    You deleted a post entirely. 

---- Merely pointing out 69 proves just how immature and childlike you are.

----I followed the whole 'interest' and 'offers' argument... What I was stating is there are so many factors to why a big school wouldn't offer this early.  You have no idea if big schools would offer this guy because no one hardly offers this early... So what he's not a top 10 guy?  Did we have top 10 guys in 98?  Judging now is basing your argument off of speculation and hearsay... NOT FACTUAL INFORMATION.  Have you watched film on these guys?  Do you know these guys personally?  Have you played against them?  What gives you any idea that they are bust other than they don't have offers from Schools that NEVER offer 8 months before signing?  Why is it so damn hard to believe that these kids are just as likely to excel as to fail?  And if the percentage of either one of those outcomes is even than you stating that they are either bust or hidden gems is only a claim to say I told you so if in fact they actually turn out busts.  YOU ARE ONLY BEING NEGATIVE BECAUSE YOU FEEL IT IS THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO AND HAVING SUCH BRILLIANT PROGNISTACATION SKILLS GIVES YOU SOME CONFIDENCE IN YOUR SAD PATHETIC LIFE.

What I see when I look at our commits are guys with the framework to become solid football players.  Will all of them pan out?  NO… Does every 5 star commit pan out? NO.  Do I have any other information than Height, weight, speed? NO.  Do you?  NO 
Does anyone know exactly what and how many offers these kids will have before they sign? NO

they will not respond to your argument with any kind of actual evidence but rather say the same bull they have been saying for awhile now about how can prince be smarter than everyone else....  blah blah blah

[ksuno1stunner]

----My edit was to put greater emphases on a particular section of a post that I had already emphasized by making bold... after seeing it, I realized it needed greater emphasis... Hence the red text....    You deleted a post entirely.

actually i didn't.  i replied to when you had the whole thing bold, and when you changed it, my reply didn't quite fit with yours, so i had to edit it.  i still kept the 69 alert thoguh

---- Merely pointing out 69 proves just how immature and childlike you are.

it was a little sarcasm...something me and a few other posters use around here, but is always taken seriously

----I followed the whole 'interest' and 'offers' argument... What I was stating is there are so many factors to why a big school wouldn't offer this early.  You have no idea if big schools would offer this guy because no one hardly offers this early... So what he's not a top 10 guy?  Did we have top 10 guys in 98?  Judging now is basing your argument off of speculation and hearsay... NOT FACTUAL INFORMATION.  Have you watched film on these guys?  Do you know these guys personally?  Have you played against them?  What gives you any idea that they are bust other than they don't have offers from Schools that NEVER offer 8 months before signing?  Why is it so damn hard to believe that these kids are just as likely to excel as to fail?  And if the percentage of either one of those outcomes is even than you stating that they are either bust or hidden gems is only a claim to say I told you so if in fact they actually turn out busts.  YOU ARE ONLY BEING NEGATIVE BECAUSE YOU FEEL IT IS THE MOST LIKELY SCENARIO AND HAVING SUCH BRILLIANT PROGNISTACATION SKILLS GIVES YOU SOME CONFIDENCE IN YOUR SAD PATHETIC LIFE.

big schools seem to have already offered many of texas's recruits.  the only way they'll offer a guy like this would be if their top choices committed elsewhere, and they need a filler guy.  i'm not saying he's going to be a bust.  he could be a hidden gem.  ksu has a great history of that, but i wouldn't count on a whole class of finding hidden gems.  the main reason i started this thread was because of the retarded fans that think interest=offers.  funny you mention "factual information".  like that one poster said in the thread, interest could mean a variety of things, and very well could be to make him look better on paper.  offers are pretty much set in stone.  another fact for you is that historically, higher ranked classes=higher ranked teams.  once again, he could turn out to be pretty good, but offer-wise, it's not impressive, and there's no way you can spin that into something positive.

also, do you really think prince knows more than every other coach?

[MrWhite]

Butch Davis is like a fart in a whirlwind.

[FBWillie]

big schools seem to have already offered many of texas's recruits.  the only way they'll offer a guy like this would be if their top choices committed elsewhere, and they need a filler guy.  i'm not saying he's going to be a bust.  he could be a hidden gem.  ksu has a great history of that, but i wouldn't count on a whole class of finding hidden gems.  the main reason i started this thread was because of the retarded fans that think interest=offers.  funny you mention "factual information".  like that one poster said in the thread, interest could mean a variety of things, and very well could be to make him look better on paper.  offers are pretty much set in stone.  another fact for you is that historically, higher ranked classes=higher ranked teams.  once again, he could turn out to be pretty good, but offer-wise, it's not impressive, and there's no way you can spin that into something positive.

also, do you really think prince knows more than every other coach?

Who's to say he does or doesn't?    3 weeks ago you would have said something along the lines.... '15 one star guys?'  but now we have 13 un-rated guys and two 4 stars.... crap we could have 5 four stars guys 10 three stars now... no one really knows; Doesn't sound like a terrible class to me.  Especially considering most 5 star guys rarely make up their mind until the end of the recruiting season. We could pick up a couple of 5 star guys between now and the next 7 months.    Class could pretty easily turn out just like every recruiting class we've ever had.  Or it could be the best we've ever had. Not you, nor I, nor anyone alive knows exactly what it looks like now or even what it will look like at the end of the season. 

Texas? Big deal, why wouldn't other schools try and recruit THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS commits... If I were a coach and I was deciding who I was going to look at, I would assume that the defending National Champions non-rated recruits are better athletes than Kansas State's Non rated recruits... excuse the metaphor, but a lot of people are interested in what Bill Dance has in his tackle box, because he's Bill Dance. Yet don't care about what other people are out-fishing him with.

 Also, funny you try to spin everything I say, yet never answer any of my questions.... DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION? Keep in mind that offers from other schools holds absolutely no bearing on what kind of an athlete a kid CAN be THIS EARLY IN THE RECRUITING PROCESS.  Before you go on a rant... Answer these questions for me... If you can't I'll assume that you're a coward.
1.  Have you watched film of both KSU's commits, ku's Commits, UT's Commits, NU's Commits, All recruits in Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, etc, etc. etc.
2. Have you met with these guys and know them personally? Have you spoken with anyone that knows them personally?
3. Have you played against these guys?
4. Are you even qualified to assess talent?  Are you more qualified to assess talent than a professional that is making several thousands of dollars a year and spending several hundred hours breaking down players from all over the region?

Lastly, I have never disputed that higher ranked recruiting classes = Higher ranked teams...  GET THIS THROUGH YOU FU#$1ng SkuLL.  THE OFFICIAL RANKINGS FOR THESE CLASSES WON'T COME OUT UNTIL AFTER SIGNING DAY.  ARE YOU SO STUPID TO B1TC# ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE AND WON'T BE TRUE FOR ANOTHER 7 MONTHS...   Please do us all a favor and admit that it isn't over for a long time now, and this could be a great recruiting class in 7 months or a terrible recruiting class in 7 months; and you have no idea and no opinion on which way it will go. Otherwise we'll all just be ashamed that we have ignorant Wildcat fans among us.

[ksuno1stunner]

Who's to say he does or doesn't?    3 weeks ago you would have said something along the lines.... '15 one star guys?'  but now we have 13 un-rated guys and two 4 stars.... crap we could have 5 four stars guys 10 three stars now... no one really knows; Doesn't sound like a terrible class to me.  Especially considering most 5 star guys rarely make up their mind until the end of the recruiting season. We could pick up a couple of 5 star guys between now and the next 7 months.    Class could pretty easily turn out just like every recruiting class we've ever had.  Or it could be the best we've ever had. Not you, nor I, nor anyone alive knows exactly what it looks like now or even what it will look like at the end of the season.

ksu will not pick up any 5 star guys.  4 stars are almost all decided, some more could be added.  this is how i see they will be rated, based on offers.  i've followed recruiting long enough to know offers=stars.  of course there's NO WAY of knowing how it will turn out, no crap sherlock.  but we can make a pretty good projection based on size/speed/offers.  save this thread until the end of the year.  i can see one or two 2 stars making the jump to 3, or a 3 making a jump to 4.  not 100% of course, but it'll be close.

brown-4
aufner-3
bell-3
cuba-3
kirk-3
reed-3
rohleder-3
sonier-3
whitmore-3
cherry-2
drinkgern-2
freeze-2
matthews-2
mullins-2
woods-2

NOT GOOD...average of 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667

Texas? Big deal, why wouldn't other schools try and recruit THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS commits... If I were a coach and I was deciding who I was going to look at, I would assume that the defending National Champions non-rated recruits are better athletes than Kansas State's Non rated recruits... excuse the metaphor, but a lot of people are interested in what Bill Dance has in his tackle box, because he's Bill Dance. Yet don't care about what other people are out-fishing him with.

ok.  florida, fsu, usc, etc.  unless you don't think ksu can compete with them...(course i don't think ksu will ever be on their level, but they could still steal some of their recruits, snyder did all the time)

Also, funny you try to spin everything I say, yet never answer any of my questions.... DO YOU HAVE ANY FACTUAL INFORMATION? Keep in mind that offers from other schools holds absolutely no bearing on what kind of an athlete a kid CAN be THIS EARLY IN THE RECRUITING PROCESS.  Before you go on a rant... Answer these questions for me... If you can't I'll assume that you're a coward.
1.  Have you watched film of both KSU's commits, ku's Commits, UT's Commits, NU's Commits, All recruits in Missouri, Nebraska, Kansas, Colorado, etc, etc. etc.
2. Have you met with these guys and know them personally? Have you spoken with anyone that knows them personally?
3. Have you played against these guys?
4. Are you even qualified to assess talent?  Are you more qualified to assess talent than a professional that is making several thousands of dollars a year and spending several hundred hours breaking down players from all over the region?

nope.  i did have premium for a while, and noticed how offers correlates to stars.  funny you keep talking about factual information.  everything you're asking me would be based on opinion. i'm basing everything i'm saying on size/speed/offers, you know, information that cannot be spun.  if you want opinions, coaches should be the best judge of talent out of everybody, including recruiting "experts".  so i'm just echoing their opinions towards recruits.  just think about it, maybe it will make sense.  i'm not saying these guys won't be players.  but these guys can't go unnoticed for forever.  when prince first started getting these guys, it was "wait until the big dogs offer".  not that offers are being thrown out, barely any to ksu recruits, you HAVE to be concerned.

Lastly, I have never disputed that higher ranked recruiting classes = Higher ranked teams...  GET THIS THROUGH YOU FU#$1ng SkuLL.  THE OFFICIAL RANKINGS FOR THESE CLASSES WON'T COME OUT UNTIL AFTER SIGNING DAY.  ARE YOU SO STUPID TO B1TC# ABOUT SOMETHING THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE AND WON'T BE TRUE FOR ANOTHER 7 MONTHS...   Please do us all a favor and admit that it isn't over for a long time now, and this could be a great recruiting class in 7 months or a terrible recruiting class in 7 months; and you have no idea and no opinion on which way it will go. Otherwise we'll all just be ashamed that we have ignorant Wildcat fans among us.

KSU
Clyde Aufner   - None
Demetrius Bell - ASU, CSU, Vandy, SMU
Josh Cherry   - None
Jayson Cuba    - None
Kaleb Drinkgern - None
Colten Freeze   -None
Payton Kirk -None
Kendrick Matthews -UTEP   
J.J. Mullins   - None
Kevin Rohleder   -None
Tyrone Sonier   - Indiana, Michigan State, Missouri, UTEP
A.J. Whitmore   - LTU
Justin Woods -None

13 Commits, 10 offers, 4 from BCS schools

CU

Ballenger - Idaho State
Perkins - None
Smith - ASU, Temple, Virginia, Toledo

3 Commits, 5 offers, 2 BCS Schools



ISU

Bates - NU
Green - UTEP

2 Commits, 2 offers, 1 BCS School


MU

Webb - None
Lambert - None

2 Commits, 0 Offers

ku
Tuck - Arizona
Ballard -  KSU, UGA, ASU, Michgan, UCLA, OU

2 Recruits, 8 offers, 8 BCS offers

NU

Paul - ISU
West - Arizona, ISU, Boise state
Davis - KSU, ku, MU, Alabama, Iowa, CU, Arkie

3 Commits, 12 Offers, 11 BCS offers


OU, 4 commits, 12 BCS offers

OSU, 3 Commits, 1 BCS Offer


Texas, 19 Commits, 6 Billions BCS offers

TTU, 2 Commits, 9 BCS offers

Aggy, 7 commits, 24 BCS offes.

Baylor, 6 commits, 10 BCS offers

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=1753.0

 

[FBWillie]

ksu will not pick up any 5 star guys.  4 stars are almost all decided, some more could be added.  this is how i see they will be rated, based on offers.  i've followed recruiting long enough to know offers=stars.  of course there's NO WAY of knowing how it will turn out, no S**T sherlock.  but we can make a pretty good projection based on size/speed/offers.  save this thread until the end of the year.  i can see one or two 2 stars making the jump to 3, or a 3 making a jump to 4.  not 100% of course, but it'll be close.

brown-4
aufner-3
bell-3
cuba-3
kirk-3
reed-3
rohleder-3
sonier-3
whitmore-3
cherry-2
drinkgern-2
freeze-2
matthews-2
mullins-2
woods-2

NOT GOOD...average of 2.66666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666666667

Wow... Why aren't you making the big bucks recruiting for some big college?  I mean you know everything about these kids just by listening to what the experts are saying... I just stop this argument now, because you can assign stars to kids by looking at their weight, size and speed..  

Why the fu$# would your opinion matter?  And who really cares how the stars end up? I can name 3 star guys that were rockstars for us just like you can name 5 stars commits that were rock stars for their schools. big deal.
 

ok.  florida, fsu, usc, etc.  unless you don't think ksu can compete with them...(course i don't think ksu will ever be on their level, but they could still steal some of their recruits, snyder did all the time)

According to your logic, Florida was the only good example. as they have 9 commits, all who are ranked happen to have 4 stars.
FSU - two commits - one four star.
USC - 5 commits - 1 five star - 3 four stars... Wow their back to back national championship is helping them recruit soo much better than us.
Keep giving me examples, and I'll keep blowing them off as crap stats. 

nope.  i did have premium for a while, and noticed how offers correlates to stars.  funny you keep talking about factual information.  everything you're asking me would be based on opinion. i'm basing everything i'm saying on size/speed/offers, you know, information that cannot be spun.  if you want opinions, coaches should be the best judge of talent out of everybody, including recruiting "experts".  so i'm just echoing their opinions towards recruits.  just think about it, maybe it will make sense.  i'm not saying these guys won't be players.  but these guys can't go unnoticed for forever.  when prince first started getting these guys, it was "wait until the big dogs offer".  not that offers are being thrown out, barely any to ksu recruits, you HAVE to be concerned.

Are these the same experts that predicted us to win the big 12 north in 2004?  And you're telling me that all a Prince really needs to be a good recruiter is a subsription to premium content?  Wow, I'd better email him and let him know!
Again, Basing everyting off of size/speed/offers is great and all if you're playing playstation and even the experts will admit that there is no science to recruiting and that they are wrong more than they are right.  There might be 5 guys in the country that are guaranteed to be a lock for a future NFL star.  Everyone else is a guess at a successful college career.  Therefore I don't HAVE to be concerned because I believe a good coach can mold most college players to be great athletes... If you want to argue that Coach Prince isn't one of those coaches, you may have an arguement next year as that is more of an exact science than assigning stars.

KSU
Clyde Aufner   - None
Demetrius Bell - ASU, CSU, Vandy, SMU
Josh Cherry   - None
Jayson Cuba    - None
Kaleb Drinkgern - None
Colten Freeze   -None
Payton Kirk -None
Kendrick Matthews -UTEP   
J.J. Mullins   - None
Kevin Rohleder   -None
Tyrone Sonier   - Indiana, Michigan State, Missouri, UTEP
A.J. Whitmore   - LTU
Justin Woods -None

13 Commits, 10 offers, 4 from BCS schools

CU

Ballenger - Idaho State
Perkins - None
Smith - ASU, Temple, Virginia, Toledo

3 Commits, 5 offers, 2 BCS Schools



ISU

Bates - NU
Green - UTEP

2 Commits, 2 offers, 1 BCS School


MU

Webb - None
Lambert - None

2 Commits, 0 Offers

ku
Tuck - Arizona
Ballard -  KSU, UGA, ASU, Michgan, UCLA, OU

2 Recruits, 8 offers, 8 BCS offers

NU

Paul - ISU
West - Arizona, ISU, Boise state
Davis - KSU, ku, MU, Alabama, Iowa, CU, Arkie

3 Commits, 12 Offers, 11 BCS offers


OU, 4 commits, 12 BCS offers

OSU, 3 Commits, 1 BCS Offer


Texas, 19 Commits, 6 Billions BCS offers

TTU, 2 Commits, 9 BCS offers

Aggy, 7 commits, 24 BCS offes.

Baylor, 6 commits, 10 BCS offers

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=1753.0

 

Wow that's great, repost everything that I just stated doesn't mean sh1t this early in the season.... That will emphasize you're point.  I'm getting the feeling that you are 12 years old or a ku fan.

[FBWillie]

Also great to know that KSU Won't pick up any 5 star guys... because we never have....
What ever happened to Daniel Davis & Peni Holakeituai?  Are they in the NFL anywhere?

I'm also sure Freeman isn't coming to KSU and he's really going to end up at Nebraska somehow. 

[FBWillie]

sorry for the delay, but reading back over your post and realized you made my point so clearly that even you can't ignore it:

funny you keep talking about factual information.  everything you're asking me would be based on opinion. i'm basing everything i'm saying on size/speed/offers, you know, information that cannot be spun.  if you want opinions, coaches should be the best judge of talent out of everybody, including recruiting "experts".  so i'm just echoing their opinions towards recruits.

I'm not saying I have factual information, I'm asking you if you or anyone has faction information.  Why you are concerned about OPINIONS.  The factual information will come on the field.  Opinions don't mean sh1t as they are the same opinions that gave D. Davis and P. Holakeituai 5 stars.

[ksuno1stunner]

sorry for the delay, but reading back over your post and realized you made my point so clearly that even you can't ignore it:

funny you keep talking about factual information.  everything you're asking me would be based on opinion. i'm basing everything i'm saying on size/speed/offers, you know, information that cannot be spun.  if you want opinions, coaches should be the best judge of talent out of everybody, including recruiting "experts".  so i'm just echoing their opinions towards recruits.

I'm not saying I have factual information, I'm asking you if you or anyone has faction information.  Why you are concerned about OPINIONS.  The factual information will come on the field.  Opinions don't mean sh1t as they are the same opinions that gave D. Davis and P. Holakeituai 5 stars.

omg, you had to edit your post!!!  hahahahahaha you suck at life!!!!

well, if we had to wait 2-3 years to see the results, that would take out the fun of following recruiting

[ksuno1stunner]

daniel davis and holawetgweagaweoigtewati aren't really 5 stars, and the rest of the 4 star juco class would of been 3 stars.  they gave the top 10 or so 5 stars, and the rest of the top 100 players 4.

[ksuno1stunner]

According to your logic, Florida was the only good example. as they have 9 commits, all who are ranked happen to have 4 stars.
FSU - two commits - one four star.
USC - 5 commits - 1 five star - 3 four stars... Wow their back to back national championship is helping them recruit soo much better than us.
Keep giving me examples, and I'll keep blowing them off as crap stats. 

noter dame, miami, tamu, ou, clemson, ucla, michigan, lsu.....

Are these the same experts that predicted us to win the big 12 north in 2004?  And you're telling me that all a Prince really needs to be a good recruiter is a subsription to premium content?  Wow, I'd better email him and let him know!
Again, Basing everyting off of size/speed/offers is great and all if you're playing playstation and even the experts will admit that there is no science to recruiting and that they are wrong more than they are right.  There might be 5 guys in the country that are guaranteed to be a lock for a future NFL star.  Everyone else is a guess at a successful college career.  Therefore I don't HAVE to be concerned because I believe a good coach can mold most college players to be great athletes... If you want to argue that Coach Prince isn't one of those coaches, you may have an arguement next year as that is more of an exact science than assigning stars.

blah blah blah...what the hell am i supposed to argue then?  first you want facts, which size/speed/offers are the only variables set in stone.  then you question my expertise on recruiting, and now i'm supposed to be an excellent judge of talent to criticize ksu's recruiting?  well, i know for one thing, coaches are probably more expert than anyone else out there, and basing your opinion entirely off of offers would reflect the opinion of coaches.  what do you want?

I'm getting the feeling that you are 12 years old or a ku fan.

classic.  i am looking forward to partying it up at ku.  the hawk is tight, and they have tight concerts in lawrence (311, matisyahu, death cab, james blunt, etc) or in kc.

rock chalk jayhawk

[opcat]

Your ranking system flawed and stupid.

Ron Prince may know more than that twit  Crabtree.

Jayson Cuba might be recruited even heavier by OU and Arkansas if it wasn't a strong commit.

[Andy]

the whole circular logic of using offers by "top schools" as part of the rankings decisions is exactly why no one should pay for this information.

Someone someday somewhere will develop a site that evaluates recruiting classes from the past so maybe there can actually be some science to all of this.

for now i'll just hope and pray our staff knows what they are doing and wait for the results.

[mjrod]

Offers from other schools have some weight in the rankings, but there is more to it.

Crabtree evaluates players purely on video from players, their camp ratings, coaches evaluations, and of, course, the schools that have interest in them.  No two recruits with the same star count has the same rating points. Each player is assigned a point value based on their rankings within certain categories. When a team gets a certain number of points, it's not based on how many stars, but the actual value assigned to the recruit.   Schools that have the same number of recruits of the same star value (say 2-4 stars, 8-3 stars, 4-2 stars) may not actually be ranked the same, rather it could be as much as 3-4 position difference because of the value of each recruit.  In other words, you can get a team of highly rated three stars, and might actually have a higher rank than a school with a couple low rated 4 stars, and some decent rated 3 stars.

Ranking recruits is subjective and with all the experts out there, a lot of them consider evaluations from multiple sources.  You'll discover that scout and Rivals offer the most "thorough" rankings because their business is rankings and doing so for all schools.   For other recruiting experts, most of them rank the Top 100 recruits and maybe the Top 25 of each position.

The correlation that you get a better chance of success because your ranking is higher than other schools is a loose correlation that is not definitive.  The tendency is that you "might" have more success with a higher ranked class which seems to be true, on the surface.  What is more definitive are that coaches that have a reputation of player development can do better with their recruits than coaches who cannot despite the actual class rankings.  Snyder, in his early years with Leavitt, Stoops, Miller, Hudson, convinced a lot of recruits to come and play that many schools didn't want, and that included a large number of Kansas kids.  In fact, a lot of the talent that has gone on to the NFL from KSU are kids that came to KSU from Kansas Schools.   I'm pretty certain that given the way we are treating some Kansas kids right now, Simoneau, Newman, Sproles, etc.. would not be receiving offers either like a lot of these kids we have now.. because they didn't when they recruited by KSU. 

I'm not saying that we shouldn't pursue talent elsewhere, and that we should just settle for scraps the big schools threw away.    Right now, it's way to early to effectively evaluate the talent that has committed because the recruiting situation this early in the process is very fluid.   No kid has been signed, and while some kids may have committed, they may lose their offer down the road when other talent being looked at by the staff may be a better fit.   There is also the prospect that recruits may change their mind, and pursue other offers.   Regardless, we seem to focused too much on what offers DON'T exist for the kid, rather than what the kid MAY DO in our system.   Stars mean little when it comes time to put on the pads and play.  We recruited Robert Johnson a few years back that KSU was pursuing aggressively and he ended up committing to Arkansas.  The kid ended up a nobody there.   Chris Boggas was the top offensive guard out of Texas and the #5 player in the state and we got him in 1999, he quit for a year, then came back, then was dismissed from the team, then arrested.   Daniel Davis was another dud.... Travon McGee.   There are other examples of kids who were highly RATED and still never amounted to anything for us.  The same is true for other programs.   Kids must work hard to play and be on the roster, but there are only 11 positions to play for a team on the field at one time, and you can have a three deep chart with the scholarships available.

KSU has produced NFL talent from kids that were not highly recruited by other big name schools, and we need to understand why.   Is it because of how many stars they had, or was it because of the system?   My belief is that it's a combination of both with an emphasis on the coaching and player development.  This is where the big question mark is.   Prince cannot be evaluated on just the selection of talent alone because the process isn't over.   The development of the kid in the system is critical to the success of the program.  If Prince takes us to a bowl game this year, he will have done it with another coach's players.  That's a great sign because it means he can improve the kids he's working with.  Makes recruiting a little easier.

Bottom line is, can the system take the kids it gets and produce great football players that will be successful at the next level.   Snyder demonstrated that building that turns kids into top quality football players is paramount to a successful program.  After all, the Big Red Machine up north had been doing it for years.  I'll reserve judgement on the kids we're recruiting, but the argument that because we have kids that don't have other offers and it will adversely affect our team is just bunk.   That doesn't mean I don't want the best talent available, my thought is that stars are not indicative of the success of a team.

[FBWillie]

noter dame, miami, tamu, ou, clemson, ucla, michigan, lsu.....

doesn't matter this early idiot.

blah blah blah...what the hell am i supposed to argue then?  first you want facts, which size/speed/offers are the only variables set in stone.  then you question my expertise on recruiting, and now i'm supposed to be an excellent judge of talent to criticize ksu's recruiting?  well, i know for one thing, coaches are probably more expert than anyone else out there, and basing your opinion entirely off of offers would reflect the opinion of coaches.  what do you want?

Are you an idiot... When did I ever say that I wanted facts.... I Asked did you or anyone HAVE facts?  All you have is OPINIONS.  I don't give a sh1t who's opinions they are, because there are obviously opinions out there to contradict your opinions.  What I want is for you to admit that you don't know anything and the only reason you are on here is to ruffle a couple of feathers...

classic.  i am looking forward to partying it up at ku.  the hawk is tight, and they have tight concerts in lawrence (311, matisyahu, death cab, james blunt, etc) or in kc.

rock chalk jayhawk

[fatty fat fat]

classic.  i am looking forward to partying it up at ku.  the hawk is tight, and they have tight concerts in lawrence (311, matisyahu, death cab, james blunt, etc) or in kc.

rock chalk jayhawk

[FBWillie]

omg, you had to edit your post!!!  hahahahahaha you suck at life!!!!

well, if we had to wait 2-3 years to see the results, that would take out the fun of following recruiting

What's this IF?  you do have to wait 2-3 years.... Wait... Wasn't KSU ranked in the top 25 for recruiting in 2002?  Where the hell did that get us the last two years?   Ohh Yeah... Recruiting isn't everything.

[fatty fat fat]

Stunner = Big-time ku fan in a few months. :(