A prediction on KSU football's future

[michigancat]

Due to a combination of jealousy of ku, ridiculous expectations, and the fact that Ron Prince isn't Bill Snyder, he will be fired within four years, and his predecessor will be fired three or four years after that with a much worse record than Prince had.

Just a hunch.

[waks]

I kind of agree.



Hopefully our AD isn't that retarded.

[ECN]

the dream ... is over.

[catzacker]

Maybe.  But if he misses a bowl game this year, definitely w/in 4 years.  Next year's defense will be even worse and no Jordy for the offense to rely on.  We will have a more/as difficult schedule next year (I think our conference schedule is entirely more difficult).  

It will be interesting because I don't think Wefald will be here longer than 4 more years, and I suspect neither will Weiser.  

[waks]

If he goes back to back years without going to a bowl then yeah, start looking at new options. But right now we are a game out of bowl eligibility and we have a coach that took us to a bowl in his first year (something a KSU coach had never done before him).

[ECN]

our offense is boring. predictable.
i believe jarsh is not being used at his full potench.

i dream of the day we have a passing spread like mU and Tech.

[Legore]

It could happen who knows but I think it's just too early to really know anything.  If Prince gets fired I think it will be because of his own doing not because he's not Bill Snyder or because of anything ku does.   He'll get a fair chance to succeed or fail and he's going to do things his own way and it will either work or it won't.  

It's just hard to tell we're down now because we lost to Iowa State and we shouldn't have.  But last year when Mangino was blowing games to Baylor and to Toledo who would have thought he'd do what he's doing this year?  Pinkel had moments in his first 4 years or so where it looked like he was about to get canned and look at him now.  On the other hand Callahan won the big 12 North in his third year and looked like maybe he was turning a corner and then boom look what happens.  You just don't know for sure Prince has been a mixed bag his first couple of years but I think the same can be said for every new coach that has come through this division the last 10 years or so.  

[pufizzle]

I think the chance that Prince is fired within 4 years is the same chance we have of going to a BCS bowl game in the next 3.  

[~WabashRoll~]

It will be interesting because I don't think Wefald will be here longer than 4 more years, and I suspect neither will Weiser.  

Disagree on Weiser.  To posh a set-up.  10 year contract, the best pheasant hunting in the country, and a fan base with zero winning expectations.  He'll milk this bitch for years.  

[michigancat]

I think the chance that Prince is fired within 4 years is the same chance we have of going to a BCS bowl game in the next 3.  

Pretty decent?

Josh, as a senior, will win the north.  When you win the north, you have a good chance of going to a BCS game.

[ksuno1stunner]

Remember how ku blew every game last year?  Maybe we can follow our season up with what they're doing now!

[waks]

It will be interesting because I don't think Wefald will be here longer than 4 more years, and I suspect neither will Weiser. 

Disagree on Weiser.  To posh a set-up.  10 year contract, the best pheasant hunting in the country, and a fan base with zero winning expectations and doesn't give a sh*t that he takes the dumbed down, cheap approach to absolutely everything.  He'll milk this bitch for years 

[pufizzle]

I think the chance that Prince is fired within 4 years is the same chance we have of going to a BCS bowl game in the next 3.  

Pretty decent?

Josh, as a senior, will win the north.  When you win the north, you have a good chance of going to a BCS game.

So you think that we will definitely win the North in 2 years and have a decent shot at a BCS (obviously if we win or lose the CCG).  Yet, you think Prince will be fired within 4 years? 

So is RP's future success as a coach 100% dependant on Freeman? 

[waks]

I think the chance that Prince is fired within 4 years is the same chance we have of going to a BCS bowl game in the next 3. 

Pretty decent?

Josh, as a senior, will win the north.  When you win the north, you have a good chance of going to a BCS game.

So you think that we will definitely win the North in 2 years and have a decent shot at a BCS (obviously if we win or lose the CCG).  Yet, you think Prince will be fired within 4 years? 

So is RP's future success as a coach 100% dependant on Freeman? 

That is true to most head coaches. Their success depends often on their starting quarterback.

[michigancat]

I think the chance that Prince is fired within 4 years is the same chance we have of going to a BCS bowl game in the next 3. 

Pretty decent?

Josh, as a senior, will win the north.  When you win the north, you have a good chance of going to a BCS game.

So you think that we will definitely win the North in 2 years and have a decent shot at a BCS (obviously if we win or lose the CCG).  Yet, you think Prince will be fired within 4 years? 
 

Yeah, if he goes to two Texas bowls after a north title, he'd get fired.

And he might get fired before Josh's senior year.

[pufizzle]

I think the chance that Prince is fired within 4 years is the same chance we have of going to a BCS bowl game in the next 3. 

Pretty decent?

Josh, as a senior, will win the north.  When you win the north, you have a good chance of going to a BCS game.

So you think that we will definitely win the North in 2 years and have a decent shot at a BCS (obviously if we win or lose the CCG).  Yet, you think Prince will be fired within 4 years? 
 

Yeah, if he goes to two Texas bowls after a north title, he'd get fired.

And he might get fired before Josh's senior year.

You can't be serious about him being fired before Josh's senior year. 

Let's say we hired Leavitt/BV instead of RP.  Do you see us significantly better than we are right now.  I don't.......at all.

[michigancat]

Let's say we hired Leavitt/BV instead of RP.  Do you see us significantly better than we are right now.  I don't.......at all.

Absolutely not.  That's kind of my point.

[pufizzle]

Let's say we hired Leavitt/BV instead of RP.  Do you see us significantly better than we are right now.  I don't.......at all.

Absolutely not.  That's kind of my point.

Good.  I'm glad I could prove it for you.

So you are saying that no matter who we hired, they would have been run out in 4-5 years unless they were winning 10-11 games a year because of unrealistic expectations by our fans?  I don't think Weiser is that unrealistic.  I dunno, maybe I am being  but I just don't see that happening.

[michigancat]

Good.  I'm glad I could prove it for you.

So you are saying that no matter who we hired, they would have been run out in 4-5 years unless they were winning 10-11 games a year because of unrealistic expectations by our fans?  I don't think Weiser is that unrealistic.  I dunno, maybe I am being  but I just don't see that happening.

Those guys wouldn't be fired because they're white and are Snyder disciples.

And I think our fanbase is dumb enough that they will be calling for Prince's head after this season.  (many are now.)  I guarantee you there's big money that really hates losing to ku.  Big money talks.

[waks]

Good.  I'm glad I could prove it for you.

So you are saying that no matter who we hired, they would have been run out in 4-5 years unless they were winning 10-11 games a year because of unrealistic expectations by our fans?  I don't think Weiser is that unrealistic.  I dunno, maybe I am being  but I just don't see that happening.

Those guys wouldn't be fired because they're white and are Snyder disciples.

[pufizzle]

Good.  I'm glad I could prove it for you.

So you are saying that no matter who we hired, they would have been run out in 4-5 years unless they were winning 10-11 games a year because of unrealistic expectations by our fans?  I don't think Weiser is that unrealistic.  I dunno, maybe I am being  but I just don't see that happening.

Those guys wouldn't be fired because they're white and are Snyder disciples.

And I think our fanbase is dumb enough that they will be calling for Prince's head after this season.  (many are now.)  I guarantee you there's big money that really hates losing to ku.  Big money talks.

Last years ku loss was sorta a fluke, 6 TO's and not a single healthy receiver kind of doomed us.  This year we lost in the last minutes to a top 5 BCS team ( ).  If the fans don't realize this they are retarded.  (Most of them are)

[g2brg]

Remember how ku blew every game last year?  Maybe we can follow our season up with what they're doing now!

Prince gains 250-300 pounds and Josh gets 9" shorter in off season..........we repeat the ku turnaround!

[Bullfn33]

Nothing is ever as bad as it seems(losing to Iowa State) and nothing is ever as good as it seems(beating Texas).  Take it for FWIW.  I still think Prince knows what he's doing.  I think we need to give him time to learn and build.  It might actually take something called time for this to happen.

[Super PurpleCat]

It took Mangino and Pinkel 5-6 years to get to the season they are both having now.  And even now, I'm still not convinced these guys are all that and a bag of chips.

I think all this Prince talk in here is crazy talk.

[Newbie]

Let's say we hired Leavitt/BV instead of RP.  Do you see us significantly better than we are right now.  I don't.......at all.

BV = significantly worse (think Mike Stoops).
Leavitt = significantly better.

That's how I see it.

[waks]

Let's say we hired Leavitt/BV instead of RP.  Do you see us significantly better than we are right now.  I don't.......at all.

BV = significantly worse (think Mike Stoops).
Leavitt = significantly better.

That's how I see it.

Really? Leavitt's great South Florida team has three straight losses now. Maybe you weren't following closely.

[Newbie]

Let's say we hired Leavitt/BV instead of RP.  Do you see us significantly better than we are right now.  I don't.......at all.

BV = significantly worse (think Mike Stoops).
Leavitt = significantly better.

That's how I see it.

Really? Leavitt's great South Florida team has three straight losses now. Maybe you weren't following closely.

Well, Leavitt is a proven winner.  Last year he went 9-4, and played ku closer than we did.  This year he beat Auburn (and we didn't).

[Hawkish]

Let's say we hired Leavitt/BV instead of RP.  Do you see us significantly better than we are right now.  I don't.......at all.

BV = significantly worse (think Mike Stoops).
Leavitt = significantly better.

That's how I see it.

Really? Leavitt's great South Florida team has three straight losses now. Maybe you weren't following closely.

Well, Leavitt is a proven winner.  Last year he went 9-4, and played ku closer than we did.  This year he beat Auburn (and we didn't).

Prince will get better. He'll change some things. While I think you guys could have hired someone who was initially better a few years ago, what you have now will make a winning team that is good.

His recruiting seems a bit... less than what I'd want, but at ku we take anyone and let the coaches sort it out.

You guys do need a new Defensive Coordinator. Ian Campell should be shot when flashing the Lynch Mob.

[sonofdaxjones]

I'd say it's still at least 50/50 that Prince can amount to something.  A few weeks ago if asked the same question I'd have given it 60/40 in favor of him actually doing something noteable at KSU.  But given the "going through motions" effort of last week and the pathetic performance yesterday that's two years in a row where the season has gone on and things have gotten worse not better.

I'd also put a lot of the keys to KSU's success on Weiser for too many reasons to mention here.  But there's a climate of "will" developing in the Big 12 North, and Timmy Weiser just doesn't have the charisma to get it done.

[waks]

LOL @ changing your stance after one game (most KSU fans). You hate Weiser so much.