Some thoughts .....

[PowercatPosse]

1) Leon Patton just continues to look pathetic.  Why we like to run him on 1st in 10 is beyond me.  He carried 4 times today on 1st and 10 and gained a combined 5 yds (meening 2nd and 9 ave).   Johnson needs to be in there 80 percent of the time from now on.

2) Viers continues to play like the worst center in the Big 12. 2 bad snaps, a false start on a snap infraction and he always gets manhandled by the other teams DT.

3) It took an entire half before we realized that having herndon at OLB and Campbell at DE was not working today.  Herndon is not a OLB and is terrible on run support.   Isu was 6 for 8 on 3rd downs in the first half, and 10 for 12 throwing the ball

4) Watts is turning into Tetuan more and more as the season goes on.   I would much rather get Chandler and Carney experience then let one of my "captains" play pathetic week in and out on D. 

5) Once again, some play calling in the red zone.  Had to settle for 3 FGs and turned the ball over on downs.   FG, FG, Miss FG, Downs, INT = 5 times inside the 30 and got only 6 pts out of it. 

[ksuno1stunner]

was the reverse really worth trying?

[catzacker]

The reverse and the jordy pass were terrible calls.  Not because they didn't work, but because we just didn't need to do them.  Especially the Jordy pass, it was 2nd and long and we run an all or nothing play that wasn't designed to even give an option of making 3rd down manageable. 

Also, not only is Watts an FP, but Houlik is approaching FP status as well. 

[PowercatPosse]

Or running the Jordy pass trick play "in the red zone" really needed.  People have scouted that play and it is not going to work real good when the field is shortened because of being in the red zone.  

I know we did have the ball much in the first half, but JJ only had 4 carries in the first half.    That can't happen.  

[PowercatPosse]

Houlik and Walker both have been disappointing for the last month.  That is why IMO we need Ian to play OLB.  He can help on run support, gives us more size at OLB and defenses have to account for him more playing OLB and not lined up inside as a DE.

Houlik is a soph, so hopefully he gets better, but Watts is a senior and is playing so F'ing pathetic that i want our other 2 safeties to get as much PT so we have a stud duo next year. 

[Chet Stedman]

Think they may have had film on us?  Both trick plays were blown up, the play where Murphy starts in the backfield and swings around was blown up...and of course the QB sneak with the empty backfield.  We tried the same stuff as in previous weeks and they were ready for it.  Oh also Ernie Pierce....what a freaking bust. 

[Legore]

-play calling in general was bad.  Johson  had 95 yards 14 carries should have had it more then he did.  

-Viers had a tough day for sure but he's young and will be a good player.  He wasn't getting dominated by their DT's and hasn't since the ku game.  

-Defense was good in the second half after starting out very poorly.  The first half sucked but to me we blew it in the second half because we dominated the play on the field and didn't make up any gound on the scoreboard.  Casued by a combination of bad plays and bad decision making by the staff.

-VS. announcers are flat terrible.  Jordy was making plays all over the field and the announcer kept saying that the plays that hurt us where the times that Josh tried to force the ball to him.  Stupid comment neither INT was intended for Jordy hell I wish Josh would have forced him the ball on those plays because he probably would have either caught it or at least kept it away from the defender.  

[PowercatPosse]

 Oh, and instant replay in CFB is a f'ing JOKE.      Seriously, the play is dead when he gets called for stepping out?? WTF? It is not like the whistle blew and stopped the action.    

[mjrod]

I don't think the play calling was all that bad, it's just that our defense isn't really where it needs to be.  We out yarded them and you take a play here or there, and have it just execute, then we escape with a win.

The key was that Iowa State, and for that matter, all the teams that have beaten us, have made adjustments to our defense because it over pursues.   The backward screens, the QB runs, etc, to areas where players are vacating spaces for pursuit allowed Iowa state to move the ball and score.

You take out the interception for TD, add Johnson's TD (that was incorrectly called out of bounds) and KSU wins this game, if you just don't allow them to do anything else.

[ChicagoCat]

The reverse and the jordy pass were terrible calls.  Not because they didn't work, but because we just didn't need to do them.  Especially the Jordy pass, it was 2nd and long and we run an all or nothing play that wasn't designed to even give an option of making 3rd down manageable. 

Also, not only is Watts an FP, but Houlik is approaching FP status as well. 

QFT.  No need to run trick plays on drives that are moving the ball just fine.  Or offense will be able to stall enough times that there will be good times to call them

[michigancat]

Only problem was turnovers.

Other than that, meh.  Not great, but decent enough to win.

[ksuno1stunner]

Fumble on the kick return

[PowercatPosse]

No, it was more than TOs.  Defense was very bad in the first half.  They had a chance to stop Isu's first drive with the short field and let a 3rd and 7 QB draw get a 1st down. 

Then allowed Isu to go 90 yds and 68 yds on the 3rd and 4th Isu drives to go for TDs.   

Coming in Isu had only 17 TDs all year in 9 games, and they had 3 TDs and nearly 200 yds halfway through the 2nd quarter.   

The D played much better in the 2nd half, but the D was a big part of us getting into a 21-3 defecit.   I meen make them try 1 FG and not get 3 TDs and it is a different game going into halftime IMO.

[michigancat]

No, just turnovers.

When you outgain a team by 80 yards and lose, it's because of turnovers or special teams.

[LumberCat]

Strong teams don't need to use trick plays.

[PowercatPosse]

Ksu = FG, FG, miss FG ........  6 pts on 3 drives that all got inside the 30

Isu = 3 TDs on 3 drives when they got inside the 30 in the first half.   

Yes TOs hurt, but execution down inside the 30 for both teams was a HUGE difference.   

I did not even count turning the ball over on downs, because i did not know if you considered that a turnover because it does not acutally count as a turnover.

turnovers= bad
execution when it counted = worse

[ksdb]

The trick plays were called at a terrible time. We were moving the ball fine at that point without them. Also, was Freeman putting too much juice on the ball. We had way too many dropped and tipped passes (turning into interceptions).

[kougar24]

The dropped balls were no one's fault but the receivers who dropped them.

[Bullfn33]

-Prince is relying on Freeman to make a play with his arm every damn play except for the three times we run the ball.  He's still maturing and cannot play like he did against Oklahoma State every weekend.  Establish some form of a running game!  This one is on the offense for not running the ball and when we do our linemen turn into FPs.  I hardly ever seen a &@#%ing running lane for our backs.  It's always Johnson trying to cut back across field because of the mass of FP's stacked up on the side of the play call.

-Get a &@#%ing running game!  It doesn't have to be spectacular but you must run the &@#%ing ball more than 10% of the time.

-Defense played horrible but still good enough to win at ISU.  We essentially shut them down in the second half despite being inept in the first half.

-I'm officially off the play on ESPN against BCS studs at all costs in the non conference bandwagon.  All that matters is winning and then you will be on TV more in the end.  You won't have guys injured or emotionally bent by Week 8.  Plus you get rewarded for winning, not who you play, just look at where Kansas is ranked.  When we get some depth and can afford guys dropping like flies, then you can go play a BCS powerhouse.  Snyder knew what he was doing.  It's a long season and it's nearly impossible to get through it without let downs.  The more big games you have to get up for through the course of the season the more likely you are to fade at the end, UNLESS you are just a great &@#%ing football team...we aren't. 

-Why do we always get &@#%ing screwed on calls?  We were playing horrible but had a chance to make up for it with a comeback but the refs &@#% us over and negate it.  The ref that blew the play dead should have his head chopped off in a guillotine.  We can't beat ISU and the refs on the road.  Second road game where we get &@#%ed by refs in a-hole.  Why even play the game when you are up against BS calls.  Did anyone even mention the catch Murphy made on the sideline near the start of second half?  Would have kept drive going but not even a review!  He juggled but regained control with foot still on ground in bounds.  Not even reviewed!  This is the craptiest part of being a KSU fan. srsly beyond tired of it.

[RegWalker53]

How bout our D noy being able to stop a screen pass we got fooled on the same play almost everytime i think one time we stopped a screen pass it was gettin a lil pathetic

[KSUTOMMY]

I think that playing decent teams in the non con can only help us - so on that point I disagree. Had ku beaten someone with a pulse in the non con, they would be ranked higher and might be in the NC conversation.

The ref talk - well, that is a puddle of horse skin, bones and a little small intestine. Face it, bad calls happen (a lot) and the only time it really fu*ks with me is when it decides the out come of the game, like at the end of the game.

[michigancat]

-Get a fracking running game!  It doesn't have to be spectacular but you must run the fracking ball more than 10% of the time.

Why?

that's just stupid.  moving the ball was not a problem today.  You're just repeating what you hear idiot announcers who played in the 70's say.

[mjrod]

-Get a fracking running game!  It doesn't have to be spectacular but you must run the fracking ball more than 10% of the time.

Why?

that's just stupid.  moving the ball was not a problem today.  You're just repeating what you hear idiot announcers who played in the 70's say.

Prince has said we need a running game and it's important we run.  I thought we did OK in the running game.  The sacks and trick play failures hurt our numbers.

And I agree, we could move the ball, we just couldn't get it into the endzone.

[michigancat]

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-Get a fracking running game!  It doesn't have to be spectacular but you must run the fracking ball more than 10% of the time.

Why?

that's just stupid.  moving the ball was not a problem today.  You're just repeating what you hear idiot announcers who played in the 70's say.

Prince has said we need a running game and it's important we run.  I thought we did OK in the running game.  The sacks and trick play failures hurt our numbers.

And I agree, we could move the ball, we just couldn't get it into the endzone.

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I don't think running the ball more (even at 5 yards/carry) makes a lick of difference in the game today.

People just assume that if you lose and have less than 100 yards rushing, it's because you didn't "establish the run".  That's the logic that's stupid.

[catzacker]

We need a new defense.  And entire new defense with entire new players and entire new Def Coordinator.  Less FP's on defense. 

[mjrod]

-Get a fracking running game!  It doesn't have to be spectacular but you must run the fracking ball more than 10% of the time.

Why?

that's just stupid.  moving the ball was not a problem today.  You're just repeating what you hear idiot announcers who played in the 70's say.

Prince has said we need a running game and it's important we run.  I thought we did OK in the running game.  The sacks and trick play failures hurt our numbers.

And I agree, we could move the ball, we just couldn't get it into the endzone.

I don't think running the ball more (even at 5 yards/carry) makes a lick of difference in the game today.

People just assume that if you lose and have less than 100 yards rushing, it's because you didn't "establish the run".  That's the logic that's stupid.

If that's the only reason they use, then I'd agree.

However, this game running wasn't a problem.  It was turnovers and defense.

[PowercatPosse]

It was .....
1) bad defense in the first half.  Letting them be too effective on 3rd downs and not making them settle for FGs (3 TD 0 FG) including a 90 yd freaking drive.

2) turnovers - costly as one was for a pick 6 and another was on 1st play of the game

3) Moving the ball but not making the plays when it counted -- FG try, FG try, FG try and miss, turnover on downs after getting 1st and goal. 

[Bullfn33]

-Get a fracking running game!  It doesn't have to be spectacular but you must run the fracking ball more than 10% of the time.

Why?

that's just stupid.  moving the ball was not a problem today.  You're just repeating what you hear idiot announcers who played in the 70's say.

It's not about moving the ball, it's about scoring points.  Lack of a running game in the red zone prevented us from scoring points.  Who gives a &@#% if we moved the ball ok, we couldn't punch it in because we don't present a threat in the ground game so ISU just had to drop back and cover our receivers and rush the passer.  We left a crap load of points on the field and it's because we are relying on Freeman's arm to make a play every play.  That won't work with a sophomore QB against a good defense.  That's why he ended up throwing a pick six.

[Bullfn33]

-Get a fracking running game!  It doesn't have to be spectacular but you must run the fracking ball more than 10% of the time.

Why?

that's just stupid.  moving the ball was not a problem today.  You're just repeating what you hear idiot announcers who played in the 70's say.

Prince has said we need a running game and it's important we run.  I thought we did OK in the running game.  The sacks and trick play failures hurt our numbers.

And I agree, we could move the ball, we just couldn't get it into the endzone.

I don't think running the ball more (even at 5 yards/carry) makes a lick of difference in the game today.

People just assume that if you lose and have less than 100 yards rushing, it's because you didn't "establish the run".  That's the logic that's stupid.

If that's the only reason they use, then I'd agree.

However, this game running wasn't a problem.  It was turnovers and defense.

You're telling me we can't score more than 24 points against Iowa State?  The highest scoring offense in Big 12 play can't do that?  The defense in the second half gave up 3 points.  As bad as they blew in the first half, they actually gave us a chance to win.  Turnovers were the biggest reason we lost(mainly from a momentum standpoint), then red zone offense, then defense IMO.

[mjrod]

-Get a fracking running game!  It doesn't have to be spectacular but you must run the fracking ball more than 10% of the time.

Why?

that's just stupid.  moving the ball was not a problem today.  You're just repeating what you hear idiot announcers who played in the 70's say.

Prince has said we need a running game and it's important we run.  I thought we did OK in the running game.  The sacks and trick play failures hurt our numbers.

And I agree, we could move the ball, we just couldn't get it into the endzone.

I don't think running the ball more (even at 5 yards/carry) makes a lick of difference in the game today.

People just assume that if you lose and have less than 100 yards rushing, it's because you didn't "establish the run".  That's the logic that's stupid.

If that's the only reason they use, then I'd agree.

However, this game running wasn't a problem.  It was turnovers and defense.

You're telling me we can't score more than 24 points against Iowa State?  The highest scoring offense in Big 12 play can't do that?  The defense in the second half gave up 3 points.  As bad as they blew in the first half, they actually gave us a chance to win.  Turnovers were the biggest reason we lost(mainly from a momentum standpoint), then red zone offense, then defense IMO.

We didn't. That's the point.   We should have been able to crack the goal line every time we go down the field, but we didn't.  Our fault?  ISU's fault?   

We should have not let them score three TD's in the first half.   Then it wouldn't matter how many points we put up.