Freeman vs. Reesing

[kstate16]

I will give Reesing one thing... that is a tough little S.O.B. he has taken some hits this year. I think that ku has topped out, or the offense would be getting better. That tells me one of two things - one - ku is satisfied at the production or two - the offense is getting figured out. I think that the good players will leave after this season, who wouldn't? Flash in the pan year - boosts the draft status (but not the height, Reesing will be back).

The only player that would leave early from ku is Aquib Talib. The losses that they'll take will be McAnderson, Mcclinton, Talib (most likely) and I think that's it.. Rivera's only a junior, correct? I also forget what year Fine is.

You're mostly correct.  BTW, Fine is a senior.  The only other player that I think has the option of leaving early would be our starting LT, Anthony Collins.  He's around 6'5 315 and can really open up some holes for the running back.  Other than that, Kansas should be in good shape next season and possibly even better. 

Isn't Mcclinton pretty much the main reason their D is good this year? Without him I think they're D drops off considerably. Without him taking up 2 blockers and disrupting the run game, the makeup of their D is a lot different.Take out a lock down corner and thats a pretty big loss defensively.  McAnderson is a huge part of their offense and losing him is a big time blow as well. Fine sucks and drops passes every time i watch him play. No dropoff there.

BTW, had to listen to the ku play by play, holy wow are they a bunch of FW(whiney)P. The sideline guy just whines about every call they dont get.

he's not the main reason, but a big part of stopping the run, that's for sure.  yeah my family listened to some of the game on the radio coming back from the game and it was pretty fracking annoying.

[waks]

I will give Reesing one thing... that is a tough little S.O.B. he has taken some hits this year. I think that ku has topped out, or the offense would be getting better. That tells me one of two things - one - ku is satisfied at the production or two - the offense is getting figured out. I think that the good players will leave after this season, who wouldn't? Flash in the pan year - boosts the draft status (but not the height, Reesing will be back).

The only player that would leave early from ku is Aquib Talib. The losses that they'll take will be McAnderson, Mcclinton, Talib (most likely) and I think that's it.. Rivera's only a junior, correct? I also forget what year Fine is.

You're mostly correct.  BTW, Fine is a senior.  The only other player that I think has the option of leaving early would be our starting LT, Anthony Collins.  He's around 6'5 315 and can really open up some holes for the running back.  Other than that, Kansas should be in good shape next season and possibly even better. 

Isn't Mcclinton pretty much the main reason their D is good this year? Without him I think they're D drops off considerably. Without him taking up 2 blockers and disrupting the run game, the makeup of their D is a lot different.Take out a lock down corner and thats a pretty big loss defensively.  McAnderson is a huge part of their offense and losing him is a big time blow as well. Fine sucks and drops passes every time i watch him play. No dropoff there.

BTW, had to listen to the ku play by play, holy wow are they a bunch of FW(whiney)P. The sideline guy just whines about every call they dont get.

Yeah, they will take a hit on the defensive side of the ball but what makes ku good is that they don't blow coverages/assignments and they make their tackles. They are sound all around with two or three guys that put them over the top defensively. While Talib does have a tendency to get burned sometimes, he also makes huge plays that not many cornerbacks could make. They don't have much turnover for next year so it will be interesting to see how they do with a much tougher schedule. I think they'll probably get to about eight wins next year.

[jmlynch1]

Their O-line is surprisingly amazing

[Dirty Sanchez]

reesing is kind of like Trent Dilfer/Kerry Collins in the Super Bowl a few years ago.  Not great.  Just have to go out there and not suck.

[PittsburgJayhawk]

reesing is kind of like Trent Dilfer/Kerry Collins in the Super Bowl a few years ago.  Not great.  Just have to go out there and not suck.

Pretty much dead on.  We have a dominating O-Line this year and a pair of very good backs.  It makes me laugh to think of Hatter, before the season, describing Brandon McAnderson as a "fat toad of a fullback playing tailback."

The thing that has been best about Todd so far is that he's been nails when we've needed him.  After KSU got the score the on the halfback pass to take the lead late in the game, Todd was perfect on the ensuing drive.  He did the same thing against Colorado.  They score on the fake fumble play, Todd marches the team right back down the field to take the lead.

He's a little too "sandlot" for me at this point, but I'm assuming that will go away with experience.  Another consideration, when comparing statistics, is the fact that his receivers have dropped passes left and right this year.  It's a real problem, and a prediction (a strong receiving corps) that many ku fans, including myself, missed on.  Todd has been absolutely plagued by drops, but he's had his share of mistakes as well.

Freeman appears to be improving rapidly though.  Looks like he's going to be a damned fine QB.

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Their O-line is surprisingly amazing

Their o-line has really helped make their young QB look good. 

Reesing has a 5-7 second countdown to sack clock inside his head after every snap.

Freeman has a 2-3 second countdown to sack clock inside his head after every snap.

That's a world of difference right there.  Imagine what Josh could do if he wasn't running for his life on every play because of the FP O-line we have.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

Good Luck in 2010 when Kale Pick takes over.

Apparently all you have to do to beat Kale Pick is line him up against Garden City. 

[Hawkish]

Meh, I think Freeman said it the best when he talked about how ku may not have the most athletic players, but how our guys don't blow their schemes.

Our defensive ends never once blew their scheme on A&M which made their option-based offense virtually non-existent. It's more about doing the right things than it is about being the best every snap.

[Shenlong]

Freeman:
126-197, 64%, 10.7 yards per completion, 1347 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 132.4 EFF

Reesing:
77-128, 60%, 10.2 yards per completion, 786 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 122.5 EFF

Bottom line:
Freeman continues to separate himself from Reesing.

Honestly those stats are not that different.  You have to take into account the fact that ku has more of a running game than KSU, which is directly reflected in the vast difference in passes attempted.  When separated by less than 10 points in overall efficiency rating, how can you say one is  separating himself from the other?  My whole point is, stat lines dont tell the whole story. 

[ksuno1stunner]

Freeman:
126-197, 64%, 10.7 yards per completion, 1347 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 132.4 EFF

Reesing:
77-128, 60%, 10.2 yards per completion, 786 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 122.5 EFF

Bottom line:
Freeman continues to separate himself from Reesing.

Honestly those stats are not that different.  You have to take into account the fact that ku has more of a running game than KSU, which is directly reflected in the vast difference in passes attempted.  When separated by less than 10 points in overall efficiency rating, how can you say one is  separating himself from the other?  My whole point is, stat lines dont tell the whole story. 

Freeman is better.  End of story.

[Shenlong]

Freeman:
126-197, 64%, 10.7 yards per completion, 1347 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 132.4 EFF

Reesing:
77-128, 60%, 10.2 yards per completion, 786 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 122.5 EFF

Bottom line:
Freeman continues to separate himself from Reesing.

Honestly those stats are not that different.  You have to take into account the fact that ku has more of a running game than KSU, which is directly reflected in the vast difference in passes attempted.  When separated by less than 10 points in overall efficiency rating, how can you say one is  separating himself from the other?  My whole point is, stat lines dont tell the whole story. 

Freeman is better.  End of story.

Hes better simply because you say so?   Im not swaying either way on which one i think is better.  I simply stated that the statline that was posted doesnt really sway either way.

[ksuno1stunner]

Freeman:
126-197, 64%, 10.7 yards per completion, 1347 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 132.4 EFF

Reesing:
77-128, 60%, 10.2 yards per completion, 786 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 122.5 EFF

Bottom line:
Freeman continues to separate himself from Reesing.

Honestly those stats are not that different.  You have to take into account the fact that ku has more of a running game than KSU, which is directly reflected in the vast difference in passes attempted.  When separated by less than 10 points in overall efficiency rating, how can you say one is  separating himself from the other?  My whole point is, stat lines dont tell the whole story. 

Freeman is better.  End of story.

Hes better simply because you say so?   Im not swaying either way on which one i think is better.  I simply stated that the statline that was posted doesnt really sway either way.

The stats say so.  Freeman has passed Reesing, and there's no turning back.

[Shenlong]

Freeman:
126-197, 64%, 10.7 yards per completion, 1347 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 132.4 EFF

Reesing:
77-128, 60%, 10.2 yards per completion, 786 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 122.5 EFF

Bottom line:
Freeman continues to separate himself from Reesing.

Honestly those stats are not that different.  You have to take into account the fact that ku has more of a running game than KSU, which is directly reflected in the vast difference in passes attempted.  When separated by less than 10 points in overall efficiency rating, how can you say one is  separating himself from the other?  My whole point is, stat lines dont tell the whole story. 

Freeman is better.  End of story.

Hes better simply because you say so?   Im not swaying either way on which one i think is better.  I simply stated that the statline that was posted doesnt really sway either way.

The stats say so.  Freeman has passed Reesing, and there's no turning back.

How do the stats say so?  Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.  Yards per completion, completion percentage and overall efficiency are very similiar.  Thats not much of a case to claim one player has passed another.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

How many times have you heard on a national broadcast "Future NFL Star Josh Freeman"

....now, how many times have you heard "Future NFL Star Pee Wee Reesing"

[ksuno1stunner]

Freeman:
126-197, 64%, 10.7 yards per completion, 1347 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 132.4 EFF

Reesing:
77-128, 60%, 10.2 yards per completion, 786 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 122.5 EFF

Bottom line:
Freeman continues to separate himself from Reesing.

Honestly those stats are not that different.  You have to take into account the fact that ku has more of a running game than KSU, which is directly reflected in the vast difference in passes attempted.  When separated by less than 10 points in overall efficiency rating, how can you say one is  separating himself from the other?  My whole point is, stat lines dont tell the whole story. 

Freeman is better.  End of story.

Hes better simply because you say so?   Im not swaying either way on which one i think is better.  I simply stated that the statline that was posted doesnt really sway either way.

The stats say so.  Freeman has passed Reesing, and there's no turning back.

How do the stats say so?  Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.  Yards per completion, completion percentage and overall efficiency are very similiar.  Thats not much of a case to claim one player has passed another.

Just look at Freeman's face.

[Bookcat]

Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.

141 yds/game is a lack of a running game? BTW..did you know James Johnson has only 50 fewer rushing yards than McAnderson and Sharp? and that is with JJ splitting carries with Leon Patton.

You were saying?

[SUPERKSUFAN]

Freeman:
126-197, 64%, 10.7 yards per completion, 1347 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 132.4 EFF

Reesing:
77-128, 60%, 10.2 yards per completion, 786 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 122.5 EFF

Bottom line:
Freeman continues to separate himself from Reesing.

Honestly those stats are not that different.  You have to take into account the fact that ku has more of a running game than KSU, which is directly reflected in the vast difference in passes attempted.  When separated by less than 10 points in overall efficiency rating, how can you say one is  separating himself from the other?  My whole point is, stat lines dont tell the whole story. 

Freeman is better.  End of story.

Hes better simply because you say so?   Im not swaying either way on which one i think is better.  I simply stated that the statline that was posted doesnt really sway either way.

The stats say so.  Freeman has passed Reesing, and there's no turning back.

How do the stats say so?  Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.  Yards per completion, completion percentage and overall efficiency are very similiar.  Thats not much of a case to claim one player has passed another.

Low FBIQ.   

[Shenlong]

Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.

141 yds/game is a lack of a running game? BTW..did you know James Johnson has only 50 fewer rushing yards than McAnderson and Sharp? and that is with JJ splitting carries with Leon Patton.

You were saying?

141 ypg rushing compared to kus 215?  Id say that says a little bit about the difference between rushing and passing attempts. 

[Shenlong]

Freeman:
126-197, 64%, 10.7 yards per completion, 1347 yards, 9 TD, 4 INT, 132.4 EFF

Reesing:
77-128, 60%, 10.2 yards per completion, 786 yards, 6 TD, 3 INT, 122.5 EFF

Bottom line:
Freeman continues to separate himself from Reesing.

Honestly those stats are not that different.  You have to take into account the fact that ku has more of a running game than KSU, which is directly reflected in the vast difference in passes attempted.  When separated by less than 10 points in overall efficiency rating, how can you say one is  separating himself from the other?  My whole point is, stat lines dont tell the whole story. 

Freeman is better.  End of story.

Hes better simply because you say so?   Im not swaying either way on which one i think is better.  I simply stated that the statline that was posted doesnt really sway either way.

The stats say so.  Freeman has passed Reesing, and there's no turning back.

How do the stats say so?  Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.  Yards per completion, completion percentage and overall efficiency are very similiar.  Thats not much of a case to claim one player has passed another.

Low FBIQ.   

/applauds at a well thought out post.   How long did it take you to think that up?  If your goin to counter me with something, make it worth reading.  Good day.

[SUPERKSUFAN]

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Low FBIQ.   
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/applauds at a well thought out post.   How long did it take you to think that up?  If your goin to counter me with something, make it worth reading.  Good day.
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[Bookcat]

Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.  Yards per completion, completion percentage and overall efficiency are very similiar.

define "similar"?

[Bookcat]

Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.

141 yds/game is a lack of a running game? BTW..did you know James Johnson has only 50 fewer rushing yards than McAnderson and Sharp? and that is with JJ splitting carries with Leon Patton.

You were saying?

141 ypg rushing compared to kus 215?  Id say that says a little bit about the difference between rushing and passing attempts. 

More attempts..and Freeman still has a higher completion percentage. WOW!  Reesing is a good QB...but he simply has a better defense behind him..hence 8-0. BTW>..the refs save you guys big time Saturday night by calling that obvious fumble an incomplete pass.

[Shenlong]

Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.

141 yds/game is a lack of a running game? BTW..did you know James Johnson has only 50 fewer rushing yards than McAnderson and Sharp? and that is with JJ splitting carries with Leon Patton.

You were saying?

141 ypg rushing compared to kus 215?  Id say that says a little bit about the difference between rushing and passing attempts. 

More attempts..and Freeman still has a higher completion percentage. WOW!  Reesing is a good QB...but he simply has a better defense behind him..hence 8-0. BTW>..the refs save you guys big time Saturday night by calling that obvious fumble an incomplete pass.

How about the blown facemask call that they missed?  The officials were bad both ways.  Also, that obvious fumble you refer to.  An actual aggie fan posted the exact rule on their boards.  It wasnt a fumble.  Thats besides the point. 

You speak like I am here to discount Freeman.  Thats not the case at all. Im simply saying that the yards per completion are very similiar.  The efficiency rating separates the 2 by less than 10 points.  Never once did I say Freeman wasnt the better quarterback.  I simply said that the stats dont support the theory that Freeman is separating himself from Reesing. 

[The Manhatter]

  It makes me laugh to think of Hatter, before the season, describing Brandon McAnderson as a "fat toad of a fullback playing tailback."

Is he not?  That says nothing about whether he's a good blocker or banger as a runner.  Do you think he's NFL or something?  ku's RB's are solid but, like Cornish, they are not NFL caliber backs or anything.  Everything ku does offensively is predicated on the OL and spread. 

[Shenlong]

  It makes me laugh to think of Hatter, before the season, describing Brandon McAnderson as a "fat toad of a fullback playing tailback."

Is he not?  That says nothing about whether he's a good blocker or banger as a runner.  Do you think he's NFL or something?  ku's RB's are solid but, like Cornish, they are not NFL caliber backs or anything.  Everything ku does offensively is predicated on the OL and spread. 

There are what, 119 d1 schools?  Most college players dont make it in the nfl.  Its no shock to say that ku's rbs arent nfl caliber.  Honestly, what rb in the big 12 is nfl caliber?  Thats the joy of the college game.

Also one quick note to your final comment.  Everything every offense does is predicated on the OL.  If your oline cant block, obviously your going to suck.  That said, it does take some talent and vision to find the hole that your line does open.  By no means does that make you nfl caliber, but at the same time it doesnt mean you lack talent. 

[Sandman]

Freeman has attempted more passes than reesing because ksu's lack of a running game.

141 yds/game is a lack of a running game? BTW..did you know James Johnson has only 50 fewer rushing yards than McAnderson and Sharp? and that is with JJ splitting carries with Leon Patton.

You were saying?

So you're bragging that your leading rusher has fewer yards than both McAnderson and Sharp?  McAnderson and Sharp also have more yards per carry.

[kstate16]

give the ku fans a break, they're just getting used to this new sport of football.

[Sandman]

On the subject of Freeman vs. Reesing, can you tell me which one is a semifinalist for the Davey O'Brien Award given to the best collegiate QB?

[cyclist]

On the subject of Freeman vs. Reesing, can you tell me which one is a semifinalist for the Davey O'Brien Award given to the best collegiate QB?

Semifinalists named for 2007 O'Brien Award
Fort Worth, TX (Sports Network) - Fifteen top signal callers from across college football were selected as semifinalists Monday for the Davey O'Brien Award, presented annually to the nation's best college quarterback.

Todd Boeckman of Ohio State; Sam Bradford from Oklahoma; Colt Brennan of Hawaii; Brian Brohm out of Louisville; Air Force's Shaun Carney; Rudy Carpenter of Arizona State; Chase Daniel from Missouri; Oregon's Dennis Dixon; Graham Harrell of Texas Tech; Corey Leonard from Arkansas State; Todd Reesing from Florida; BC's Matt Ryan; Tim Tebow of Florida; Pat White out of West Virginia and Kentucky's Andre Woodson got the preliminary nod.


At least they got Chase Daniels's school correct !

[Shenlong]

meh, that list is a joke.  12 of the 15 names have no shot at winning it.  I have never understood why they have such a large list.