anyone else about to have a meltdown regarding the defense/future of defense?

[fatty fat fat]

seeing guys like houlik being starters as true frosh and being lauded as a "rags to riches" story makes me ill.

and our recruiting on that side of the ball sucks. and our young depth on that side of the ball sucks.

please convince otherwise.


J-Free. You deserve better.

[mcmwcat]

seeing guys like houlik being starters as true frosh and being lauded as a "rags to riches" story makes me ill.

and our recruiting on that side of the ball sucks. and our young depth on that side of the ball sucks.

please convince otherwise.


J-Free. You deserve better.

bright side is that we can only go up from here.

[cireksu]

If you are on the verge of a meltdown don't look at this link.


http://kansasstate.scout.com/a.z?s=173&p=9&c=16&yr=2007


at least, don't glance at 08/09.

[ksuno1stunner]

Do you realize who's our coach?

[fatty fat fat]

if tigner was any good he'd be playing.

and josh moore? doubt he ever returns, despite his smile on sidelines vs CU.

Christ.

[cireksu]

That's a lot of freakin players in 2 years.  52 players in 2 years is a lot.

[mjrod]

anyone else about to have a meltdown regarding the defense/future of defense?

No.

[ksuno1stunner]

if tigner was any good he'd be playing.

and josh moore? doubt he ever returns, despite his smile on sidelines vs CU.

Christ.

Tigner plays on special teams.  He's played football like 2 years in high school and still racked up over 100 tackles his senior year.

Carney didn't do crap his freshman year.

[fatty fat fat]

if tigner was any good he'd be playing.

and josh moore? doubt he ever returns, despite his smile on sidelines vs CU.

Christ.

Tigner plays on special teams.  He's played football like 2 years in high school and still racked up over 100 tackles his senior year.

Carney didn't do crap his freshman year.

that's it?! please calm my fears more.

I just want to be good in football again. Is that too much too ask? I don't even want rusty's sister.

[novembereleven]

Christ Fatty, did you get up on the whiney little bitch side of the bed?

There will certainly be a number of JC players added each year to the defense, Moore was told he'd redshirt (another rags to riches story huh?) and Tigner's pretty raw and will probably benefit from a redshirt.

Feel better?

[fatty fat fat]

Christ Fatty, did you get up on the whiney little bitch side of the bed?

we have a defense w/7seniors giving up 422.0 ypg, and if they were just a tad better we would coast to the north title.

it upsets me. I want to win the north. It's been 4 years now. 

[cireksu]

Not yet, but if we don't have 5 dline inked, along with 3 WR, 3 LB, 3 olinemen and 3 qb's, i might.

[steve dave]

If you are on the verge of a meltdown don't look at this link.


http://kansasstate.scout.com/a.z?s=173&p=9&c=16&yr=2007


at least, don't glance at 08/09.

Jeezus, we get rid of a lot of FPs after the 2008 season! 

[catzacker]

I am.  Look at our DL next year. 

[fatty fat fat]

I am.  Look at our DL next year. 

you absolutely don't count.

[michigancat]

Christ Fatty, did you get up on the whiney little bitch side of the bed?

we have a defense w/7seniors giving up 422.0 ypg, and if they were just a tad better we would coast to the north title.

it upsets me. I want to win the north. It's been 4 years now. 

Getting rid of those guys will be a good thing.

Watts: The most overrated FP of all time
Cline: LMAO's
Roland: meh
Manu: meh
Garvin: meh
McKinney:  (unless moore plays)
Jackson: 

[ksu_FAN]

Christ Fatty, did you get up on the whiney little bitch side of the bed?

we have a defense w/7seniors giving up 422.0 ypg, and if they were just a tad better we would coast to the north title.

it upsets me. I want to win the north. It's been 4 years now. 

7 seniors who came up in the program through a couple of horrible years running their 3rd defense in their 4/5 year careers.  What did you expect, the 85 Bears?

[WildWillie21]

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=17582.0

[catzacker]

I am.  Look at our DL next year. 

you absolutely don't count.

DE
Guidry,   Raphael   DE   6-4   276   Fr.  
Kirk,   Payton   DE   6-6   240   Fr.  
Campbell,   Ian   DE   6-5   249   Jr.   (will he even matter in a 3-4)
Childs,   Eric   DE   6-3   227   So.  

DT
Stewart,   Xzavier   DT   6-1   304   Fr. (hopefully makes progress)
Abana,Chidubamu   DT   6-5   280   Jr.   (hopefully makes progress)
Balkcom,   Brandon   DT   6-0   266   Jr.  
Faustin,   Vlad   DT   6-2   258   Jr.  
Crews,   Gabriel   DT   6-2   286   RFr.     (hopefully makes progress)

I guess load up on JUCOs and hope some turn out.  

[The Manhatter]

unfortunately I took this exit off the main road and this thread instead read "Welcome to Tardville".

 

thanks fatt.  still luv ya but...

 

[michigancat]

I am.  Look at our DL next year. 

you absolutely don't count.

DE
Guidry,   Raphael   DE   6-4   276   Fr. 
Kirk,   Payton   DE   6-6   240   Fr.   
Campbell,   Ian   DE   6-5   249   Jr.    (will he even matter in a 3-4)
Childs,   Eric   DE   6-3   227   So.   

DT
Stewart,   Xzavier   DT   6-1   304   Fr. (hopefully makes progress)
Abana,Chidubamu   DT   6-5   280   Jr.  (hopefully makes progress)
Balkcom,   Brandon   DT   6-0   266   Jr.   
Faustin,   Vlad   DT   6-2   258   Jr.   
Crews,   Gabriel   DT   6-2   286   RFr.    (hopefully makes progress)

I guess load up on JUCOs and hope some turn out. 

Why, are we giving slit faces to freshmen?

[catzacker]

I am.  Look at our DL next year. 

you absolutely don't count.

DE
Guidry,   Raphael   DE   6-4   276   Fr. 
Kirk,   Payton   DE   6-6   240   Fr.   
Campbell,   Ian   DE   6-5   249   Jr.    (will he even matter in a 3-4)
Childs,   Eric   DE   6-3   227   So.   

DT
Stewart,   Xzavier   DT   6-1   304   Fr. (hopefully makes progress)
Abana,Chidubamu   DT   6-5   280   Jr.  (hopefully makes progress)
Balkcom,   Brandon   DT   6-0   266   Jr.   
Faustin,   Vlad   DT   6-2   258   Jr.   
Crews,   Gabriel   DT   6-2   286   RFr.    (hopefully makes progress)

I guess load up on JUCOs and hope some turn out. 

Why, are we giving slit faces to freshmen?

The blank face is because I'm nuetral on them.  For the freshman, they really haven't played, it's hard to say they suck yet (except Kirk, I have no hope for him). 

[ksuno1stunner]

if tigner was any good he'd be playing.

and josh moore? doubt he ever returns, despite his smile on sidelines vs CU.

Christ.

Tigner plays on special teams.  He's played football like 2 years in high school and still racked up over 100 tackles his senior year.

Carney didn't do crap his freshman year.

that's it?! please calm my fears more.

I just want to be good in football again. Is that too much too ask? I don't even want rusty's sister.

Rohleder is really fast, and big!!!  Guidry is huge!  Abana is huge!  Jackson and Manu are both officially around 260, and Guidry/Abana are around the 280 range!!!  Guidry had some decent offers!!!  Remember X Stewart was projected by some people to be starter?  Finau is the strongest d-lineman on his JUCO team, featuring a plethora of D1 athletes!!!  Crews might be better than Cline, but he might not be too smart.  Course, is there really anything to being a 3-4 DT?  Line might be better for run support, and our linebackers definitely improve!!!  We trade Roland for Olu Hall, Twon Moore, and a more experienced linebacking unit (can you imagine Rohleder next year? )!!!!!  Our secondary will be fine of course, we get Josh Moore back and get rid of the slut Marcus Watts!!!

Get ready for a WILD season!!!

EMAW!!!

 

[cireksu]

I am.  Look at our DL next year. 

you absolutely don't count.

DE
Guidry,   Raphael   DE   6-4   276   Fr.  
Kirk,   Payton   DE   6-6   240   Fr.  
Campbell,   Ian   DE   6-5   249   Jr.   (will he even matter in a 3-4)
Childs,   Eric   DE   6-3   227   So.  

DT
Stewart,   Xzavier   DT   6-1   304   Fr. (hopefully makes progress)
Abana,Chidubamu   DT   6-5   280   Jr.   (hopefully makes progress)
Balkcom,   Brandon   DT   6-0   266   Jr.  
Faustin,   Vlad   DT   6-2   258   Jr.  
Crews,   Gabriel   DT   6-2   286   RFr.     (hopefully makes progress)

I guess load up on JUCOs and hope some turn out.  

Yeah, not fair to judge those guys already.  Crews needs to get quicker and stronger, Faustin is defn a bust, balcom is too small and a role player, abana was a gamble, has upside but only 1 year left, stewart I think has a lot of upside.  NO idea on Guidrey.

[michigancat]

The slit face is bad for neutral.

[sonofdaxjones]

Like I always say, if this board existed back about 10 years ago we'd be like this   on a lot of the guys we recruited.  

Imagine reading the KC Star and seeing that KSU had offered a scholarship to a (what appeared to be based on viewing and stats) mediocre linebacker from a sucky Shawnee Mission South team by the name of Travis Ochs.  

Let the system mature a little more across the board before passing judgement . . . and no I am not saying the concerns aren't valid either.

[michigancat]

Travis's brother was good.

[sonofdaxjones]

Travis's brother was good.

Yeah I know, and I remember thinking at the time if KSU football had become a frat house and Travis was just a legacy recruit or something.

[KSUTOMMY]

For some reason, finding the recruits doesnt scare me with Prince... it is coaching/leading them that I am worried about. I think that we are a little bit of the Chefs team from a little bit ago all offense and throw-up for defense. I think that it will get better - we NEEDED a Josh Freeman as the Flagship player for this team... with Meier, we were screwed. Things will turn around boys, I promise... NOW - what are we going to do about the Coordinators?

[cireksu]

The thing that worries most people is that recruiting has sucked for so long, and looking at the past 3 classes, on paper have been average at best.  And the last 2 seasons have been average at best.