Saturday night...

[ksu_FAN]

only served to emphasize the importance of winning at least 2 of the 3 phases of a football game, especially on the road.  And even in our offense dominated OSU's defense even more than they dominated ours, we give up 2 TOs inside their 30 AFTER our defense has forced punts.  One of those a couple drives after the OSU KO return which would have put us back up by 14, another after a 3 and out by our defense and this time while going in to go up by 11.  Both of which could've essentually "made up for" the first ST mistake and giving up the TD.  And finally, after another defensive stop, we have the bad punt which goes bounces off one of Wilson; again this would've set up our offense with a short field and a chance to go up by 11.

Despite many fans attempts to pin this loss on one phase of the game, its easy to see how one mistake only served to lead to another and the more of those you make on the road, the more magnified they become for all phases of the game.  There is no doubt our defense has plenty of issues, but if we win special teams or correct TOs we win comfortably on the road against a team playing pretty good football right now.  The biggest issue IMO which put even more pressure on our defense IMO was not taking advantage of all those opportunities to maintain or build a 2 score lead.  The later in the game we maintain a 2 score cushion, the more one dimensional that OSU offense becomes which helps our defense a lot. 

[michigancat]

I put it all on the turnovers, FWIW.

[ksu_FAN]

I put it all on the turnovers, FWIW.

The TOs were especially big.  For one they essentually erased points (the first one was not inside the 20 as many keep saying, but at the 28; still safe to assume we get as least 3) and 2nd they came after defensive stops.  In a game like that you have to take advantage of every defensive stop, especially if they set you up with good field position, which they did.  Then the punt deal happens after a 3 and out after the 2nd fumble, so we just blew that one out of the water.

[catzacker]

I don't think the turnovers helped at all.  And the fumble on 3rd down (although we recovered was big as well).  But seriously, we have to score more than 39 points to win a game?  Reasons for the loss:

1.  Defense (plethora of issues)
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2. Turnovers
3. Lamark not at LB

[kougar24]

I don't think the turnovers helped at all.

That is staggering insight.

[ksu_FAN]

I don't think the turnovers helped at all.  And the fumble on 3rd down (although we recovered was big as well).  But seriously, we have to score more than 39 points to win a game?  Reasons for the loss:

1.  Defense (plethora of issues)
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2. Turnovers
3. Lamark not at LB

The defensive issues were magnified by TOs and STs errors.  They all work together.  Just sayin'.  I think defensive numbers end up looking more reasonable if we get it done with STs and don't give up TOs, especially when going in to score.  No doubt we still have issues and give up 400 yards, but it doesn't "seem" as bad when you win 48-34 or something like that.

[michigancat]

If turnovers were equal, than the defense wouldn't have cost us the game.  Since we lost the turnover battle, that cost us the game.

Against ku and AU, turnovers were equal, so the defense cost us the game.

[michigancat]

Yeah, FAN, we never had that two possession second half lead we enjoyed against CU.

I think that game would have ended up very similar to OSU if we hadn't gotten that nice lead.

[steve dave]

If we could have jumped out 21-0 we would have guaranteed ourselves the win.  14-0 just isn't soul crushing like 21-0.

[fatty fat fat]

Yeah, FAN, we never had that two possession second half lead we enjoyed against CU.

I think that game would have ended up very similar to OSU if we hadn't gotten that nice lead.

14-0? 21-7?

OSU has a better offense than CU. It's not even close. CU has retards at WR

[ksu_FAN]

If turnovers were equal, than the defense wouldn't have cost us the game.  Since we lost the turnover battle, that cost us the game.

Against ku and AU, turnovers were equal, so the defense cost us the game.

So there's a formula?  I should've figured that was coming from an engineer.

[michigancat]

Yeah, FAN, we never had that two possession second half lead we enjoyed against CU.

I think that game would have ended up very similar to OSU if we hadn't gotten that nice lead.

14-0? 21-7?

OSU has a better offense than CU. It's not even close. CU has retards at WR

Tard.

You're right, but CU would have run all over us in the second half if their biggest second half deficit was 4.

[ksu_FAN]

Yeah, FAN, we never had that two possession second half lead we enjoyed against CU.

I think that game would have ended up very similar to OSU if we hadn't gotten that nice lead.

14-0? 21-7?

OSU has a better offense than CU. It's not even close. CU has retards at WR

The way our offense was playing, I like our chances if we can go up 28-14 late in the 2nd quarter (and likely at halftime, rather than 21-17) or if we go up 35-24 late in the 3rd/early in the 4th.  Makes what OSU calls offensively a little easier to handle, takes their crowd out of the game, and gives us momentum.  All of which are big in college football.

[fatty fat fat]

Tard.

 

nyqual, and I broke my finger after the osu game (slammed my hand on table)

[The Manhatter]

maybe, maybe not.

CU's first 8 rushes of the 2nd half netted 23 yards.  Charles did bust one for 24 yards eventually but they were not rushing it w/ consistency in the 2nd half.  It was not OSU-like running the ball.

[steve dave]

Tard.

 

nyqual, and I broke my finger after the osu game (slammed my hand on table)

Do you have really brittle bones or really hard hand slams?

[catzacker]

I don't think the turnovers helped at all.  And the fumble on 3rd down (although we recovered was big as well).  But seriously, we have to score more than 39 points to win a game?  Reasons for the loss:

1.  Defense (plethora of issues)
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2. Turnovers
3. Lamark not at LB

The defensive issues were magnified by TOs and STs errors.  They all work together.  Just sayin'.  I think defensive numbers end up looking more reasonable if we get it done with STs and don't give up TOs, especially when going in to score.  No doubt we still have issues and give up 400 yards, but it doesn't "seem" as bad when you win 48-34 or something like that.

I guess if we had all of our turnovers in our territory, I'd give the defense more of a break, but all were in OSU's territory, one was close to midfield.  I mean, mix in a forced FG in the 2nd half (that isn't a game winning FG) and we win.  

[fatty fat fat]

Tard.

 

nyqual, and I broke my finger after the osu game (slammed my hand on table)

Do you have really brittle bones or really hard hand slams?

I slammed it multiple times before it hurt.

similar to when we lost @ISU (basketball) back during the 2001-2002 season. We scored to tie the game then Quentin buchanan totally blew his assignment and we gave up a layup at the buzzer. I threw a dictionary at the wall twice, then a third time when it busted a hole in the wall.

 

[steve dave]

then a third time when it busted a hole in the wall.

 

rental?   

[cireksu]

3 turnovers, is the biggest reason we lose this game, the way our Offense was humming I'm confident in saying that those TO's cost us 9 points at least.  Had we had no TO's that game would have been an absolute blowout, our D would get more rest and have maybe another stop or two in them.


ST killed us more than defense did.  OSU essentially got their season avg's against us didn't they?


What this team needs is a huge dose of confidence by absolutely pisspounding baylor, isu, and nu in all 3 phases.

It is clear that our front 7 is just not good enough to handle offenses that are good, and have multiple weapons.  ( I know that sounds stupid but it's true.)

[tmramrod91]

The thing that makes teams great is the ability for one facet of the game to make up for the gaffs of another. When the O stumbles (fumble 6x) its up to the D to step up and answer. Thats what made KSU so great for so long, the D almost always came up big when the O had suckage.
Its quite obvious this isnt a great team by any stretch of the imagination, but is a good team that can still do some good things this year.

[cireksu]

We need DL in a bad, bad, way.

[ksu_FAN]

We need DL in a bad, bad, way.

We really should not be surprised by the struggles our defensive front is having.  Jackson is obviously having problems with consistency having a guy play outside of him and none of our NTs are proving they can consistently be 2 gap players after being 1 gap guys as a shade or 3-tech for most of their careers.  Really our best D-lineman right now might be Moses Manu (minus when Campbell comes down to DT) and nobody would've guessed that to start the year.  We all had high hopes of quick adjustments and a consistent dominating defense, but we really shouldn't be surprised.  Now we must maintain some consistency and stay with the 3-4.  Going from Elliot's 4-3 scheme to Morris' 4-3 Tampa 2, to Tib's defense is a big adjustment 3 years in a row.

On the positive, it does seem like our offensive line has made fairly consistent significant improvement, minus the ku game.

[catzacker]

We need DL in a bad, bad, way.

We really should not be surprised by the struggles our defensive front is having.  Jackson is obviously having problems with consistency having a guy play outside of him and none of our NTs are proving they can consistently be 2 gap players after being 1 gap guys as a shade or 3-tech for most of their careers.  Really our best D-lineman right now might be Moses Manu (minus when Campbell comes down to DT) and nobody would've guessed that to start the year.  We all had high hopes of quick adjustments and a consistent dominating defense, but we really shouldn't be surprised.  Now we must maintain some consistency and stay with the 3-4.  Going from Elliot's 4-3 scheme to Morris' 4-3 Tampa 2, to Tib's defense is a big adjustment 3 years in a row.

On the positive, it does seem like our offensive line has made fairly consistent significant improvement, minus the ku game.

Jackson and Campbell need a DT to their inside to make their rush effective.  IMO, the adjustment that needs to be made would be to show a 4-3 look (Campbell, Manu, Cline, Jackson) and then zone blitz from there by either having Campbell drop into the flat and sending someone or just play straight up that way. 

[cireksu]

We shouldn't be surpised about the poor dlineplay bc recruiting other than jackson has been terrible for 5 years or so.  Manu and jackson are alright but it doesn't matter how good they are because our nt's are just not cutting it.  We need help immediately at just about every front 7 position next year.

[Dan Rydell]

I blame this loss on the offense, no doubt. 

Yeah, the defense gave up yards and points.  I expected that against OSU.

If the offense would have been totally ineffective, then fair enough.  We're a worse team than OSU, in that case.  But it was effective.  The problem was that it made a couple of huge gaffes in the fumbles that cost us the game, because a) it took away scoring opportunities from us, b) it gave OSU more opportunities to score, and c) it allowed OSU more time of possession.

There were other, smaller ways in which the offense killed us.  I remember a 3rd and one, I think perhaps late in the first half, when we got a false start (?) penalty called, which backed us up.  We didn't get the first down, and I believe OSU took the ball and scored.  Those are the type of "hidden" plays that can ultimately have a huge impact on the game.

[steve dave]

I blame the loss on having the walkthrough at Wichita East (with zero Brown bros. present)

[cireksu]

I blame this loss on the offense, no doubt. 

Yeah, the defense gave up yards and points.  I expected that against OSU.

If the offense would have been totally ineffective, then fair enough.  We're a worse team than OSU, in that case.  But it was effective.  The problem was that it made a couple of huge gaffes in the fumbles that cost us the game, because a) it took away scoring opportunities from us, b) it gave OSU more opportunities to score, and c) it allowed OSU more time of possession.

There were other, smaller ways in which the offense killed us.  I remember a 3rd and one, I think perhaps late in the first half, when we got a false start (?) penalty called, which backed us up.  We didn't get the first down, and I believe OSU took the ball and scored.  Those are the type of "hidden" plays that can ultimately have a huge impact on the game.

That's true, however fumbles arent' generally the offenses' fault as a whole IMO.  I'd say Special teams lost the game as offenses and defenses were pretty much a wash between the 2 sides.