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Author Topic: Rec Expansion: Yay or Nay? I say yay.  (Read 3382 times)

October 20, 2007, 10:01:52 AM
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Back to the original topic:  I really wish they would just fix the leaks in the roof before they tried to build up some huge new complex. 

i just thought that i would drop in on this topic. as it turns out i am on the rec planning committee and the rex expansion committee so if you have any questions let me know.

the issue about the leaks has been continually pushed back due to governmental funding issues. this is not to say that they aren't gonna get them fixed, the new plans include a couple million in renovations along side the expansions. i can get you guys some renderings if you want. in the mean time check out for more info.

http://ksu.facebook.com/group.php?gid=19081056896&ref=nf

also, please vote yes, it would be amazing to get everything started. the pool is in the plans, but it is going to have to wait until the next expansion. the committee felt the price increase would be too great if they were included. i have actually seen the plans for it with the pool and it is awesome. currently we have the most efficient (money wise) rec in the nation, and it will continue to be that way. we are getting a great rec for the amount of money we are spending. you should be happy to help progress ksu and help out future ksu students.


p.s. part i'm most excited about... the 43ft climbing wall and bouldering area!!!!!  :ksu: :ksu: :ksu:



Asava, you seem like somewhat of an overachiever.  If I can wake up and manage to log into this site in a day I consider that a prosperous 24 hours.
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October 20, 2007, 11:19:17 AM
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dude, you have no idea. this semester i'm doing 3 hours of research and serving on two committees, and this is way less than i have done any other semester. i have a stacked resume. what can i say, i get bored easily.


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October 20, 2007, 11:31:02 AM
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p.s. part i'm most excited about... the 43ft climbing wall and bouldering area!!!!!  Smiley with KSU sign Smiley with KSU sign Smiley with KSU sign

f-ing waste. God that pissed me off.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

October 20, 2007, 12:50:46 PM
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dude, you have no idea. this semester i'm doing 3 hours of research and serving on two committees, and this is way less than i have done any other semester. i have a stacked resume. what can i say, i get bored easily.

Do you have ADD like Rusty?  He puts all his efforts into muisc and random basketball statistics.  If only Hoskins knew how broken down his outside shooting percentage was.  You guys should go into some sort of business together making charts about my time spent each day so I can find where I am going wrong.
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October 20, 2007, 03:12:08 PM
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your first problem, you have a ksufans account.


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October 20, 2007, 04:03:09 PM
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How many people do you think work construction seasonly?

Pretty much all of them though it's more a case of when the contracts come in which tends to be seasonal.
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November 03, 2007, 11:08:43 PM
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all the darker colors on the floor plans are expansions.

there is a lot more info on www.ksu.edu/yesrec including a powerpoint with more renderings, and soon there should be a virtual tour. keep on keepin on.


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November 03, 2007, 11:12:31 PM
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November 04, 2007, 12:23:28 AM
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It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

November 04, 2007, 10:24:04 AM
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November 04, 2007, 10:48:17 AM
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I can't believe ex2x4 hasn't chimed in about the red tiles yet...

November 04, 2007, 01:47:35 PM
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November 04, 2007, 01:55:34 PM
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I say no.
Are you really fat? cuz i can just see it.

I'd rather pay 40 bucks a semester to go straight to the football program.

that, and i hate fitness elitists.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

November 04, 2007, 08:03:46 PM
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I can't believe ex2x4 hasn't chimed in about the red tiles yet...

Does your ba apartment have red tiles?

November 05, 2007, 09:44:24 AM
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I can't believe ex2x4 hasn't chimed in about the red tiles yet...

Does your ba apartment have red tiles?

I would have bet money you were going to try to change the topic to that. The only problem is, your issue with the red tiles is completely relevant to this discussion, whereas my apartment is not.

So what do you think about this expansion, really?

November 05, 2007, 12:01:02 PM
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I can't believe ex2x4 hasn't chimed in about the red tiles yet...

Does your ba apartment have red tiles?

I would have bet money you were going to try to change the topic to that. The only problem is, your issue with the red tiles is completely relevant to this discussion, whereas my apartment is not.

So what do you think about this expansion, really?

I haven't really been involved with it enough to come to a definitive conclusion, but what I've seen is about what I'd expect. We could have some REALLY nice buildings that would still fall in line with the conservative style of campus for a lot less money. It's not about money, nor design (as long as it follows what the administration expects). It's about politics (like most state architecture is). The biggest problem I have is the money we're spending far exceeds what we're getting. Those renders are garbage and you honestly do not want to know what we paid for them (I'll just say, most likely 5 figures). With the money we're spending, we could easily afford to bring in one or two big name architects ("big name architects" probably mean different things to you and I) that will make a really fitting and attractive building that could potentially be a center selling point for campus. A lot of universities have done this, so there are many precedents.

In the university spectrum, there are campuses like ours that all follows a style and the powers that be want it to be as plain Jane as possible. They honestly picked the Beech Museum winner because it looked like a "Mausoleum." That's a direct quote from the selection committee. Then there are campuses like Cincinnati. Every building is designed by a high paid hero architect that usually churns out interesting to look at, horrible to live in designs. There needs to be a middle ground made. We have a beautiful campus. It's organized well, plenty of open space, more than enough vegetation, etc. It's unfortunate we are not able to create buildings that fully compliment that. The Alumni Center's relationship with the stadium is the closest thing I have seen to any sort of relationship with things outside of the building (minus the Beech archway). Wouldn't it be great if the plaza was more successful? There's a lot of traffic, but very little of the traffic actually use the space. With how beautiful campus is, there needs to be a better connection between it and the buildings.

While most of this is a large rant about things not related to the rec expansion, it has everything to do with the rec expansion. Our campus is so close to being really really good. It's lacking that center of attraction and we always will. Anderson Hall is the closest thing to iconic we have, but not many people can connect to a really old building they never go into. I think we missed a huge opportunity with the Beech Museum. We could have had one of the best university museums in the nation that would have brought tons of positive recognition to campus. Instead, we got something that... well... nobody hates it. The same thing goes for the rec. Anyone can design boxes and make the functions work nicely inside. It's taking it to the next step that counts (taking advantage of daylighting, interesting structure, materials, etc.). Ebert will continuously just make buildings that work and that nobody hates. They (and other firms we pick) will never take it to the next step and really give us what we're paying so much money for.

November 05, 2007, 02:53:33 PM
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Now that was an awesome response.


("big name architects" probably mean different things to you and I)

Frank Lloyd Wright? (Kidding.)

November 05, 2007, 03:53:21 PM
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Now that was an awesome response.


("big name architects" probably mean different things to you and I)

Frank Lloyd Wright? (Kidding.)

Thanks. Sorry for the first one. Total cop-out due to time. I have this bad habit of checking the site at work.

November 05, 2007, 03:56:53 PM
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We haven't decided on Ebert, and i definitely agree with what you are saying, for which case its pretty good news that I am a part of the committee to choose the new designs.

as far as cost is concerned, i am pretty sure we have paid some of the least amount of money for what we are getting in the nation. not to mention the efficiency with which the building runs is one top in the nation, as well. at least thats what the data i am seeing says. however, i completely agree that it is a pretty plane jane design.


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November 05, 2007, 04:11:00 PM
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We haven't decided on Ebert, and i definitely agree with what you are saying, for which case its pretty good news that I am a part of the committee to choose the new designs.

as far as cost is concerned, i am pretty sure we have paid some of the least amount of money for what we are getting in the nation. not to mention the efficiency with which the building runs is one top in the nation, as well. at least thats what the data i am seeing says. however, i completely agree that it is a pretty plane jane design.

Like I said earlier, I'm not familiar with the Rec stuff. I'm mostly familiar with the garage and Beech, as well as Seaton Hall renovation and the plaza.

Who are the other firms involved? I'd think the rec would be the perfect place people would want to stray a little from the more conservative stuff and provide a little excitement. Then again, it also makes since to save money on aesthetics and put the money inside the building.

As for Seaton Hall, we were granted $4 million for a reroofing project. We can't save it and put it towards a complete renovation (or rebuild) or we lose it. It's these types of things that absolutely drive me crazy. Anyways, keep us updated asava...

November 05, 2007, 10:05:40 PM
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There are no other architects involved at this time since the vote hasn't passed yet.  Ebert was hired only for the feasibility study.  The renderings you see are only examples of what it might look like.  Once the vote passes, an architect will be chosen out of all the ones that bid on the project....though it could still be Ebert.  Then the true design will be decided.  The design could change entirely, though the main components of the expansion (i.e. climbing wall, multi-use gym, extra cardio/weight space, etc) will still be included.  Only a week to go before the vote...I'm voting yes!

November 06, 2007, 08:12:57 AM
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Are Wagner and Peele in favor of it?

November 06, 2007, 08:44:12 AM
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Yes they are in favor of it.

November 06, 2007, 11:25:33 AM
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November 07, 2007, 01:07:25 PM
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There are no other architects involved at this time since the vote hasn't passed yet.  Ebert was hired only for the feasibility study.  The renderings you see are only examples of what it might look like.  Once the vote passes, an architect will be chosen out of all the ones that bid on the project....though it could still be Ebert.  Then the true design will be decided.  The design could change entirely, though the main components of the expansion (i.e. climbing wall, multi-use gym, extra cardio/weight space, etc) will still be included.  Only a week to go before the vote...I'm voting yes!

I hope that this passes and that a design-build firm is hired, not the traditional route of hiring an architect first.

November 07, 2007, 01:09:24 PM
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November 07, 2007, 04:29:53 PM
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