How does Lowly KSU outdraw nationally ranked ku by 3000??**

[BMWJhawk]

Attendance smack is very weak considering both schools didn't sell out yesterday for a
Big 12 home game.  I don't care what the excuses are.  K-State/Colorado had a lot of empty seats as did ku/Baylor.

Your team is undefeated, ranked 20th in the country . . . 7000 empty seats. 

When 43,000 in attendance for ku/baylor on a day when the rain delayed the game for over 3 hours is the only thing to bitch about, I'd say Kansas football has made some huge improvements. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Attendance smack is very weak considering both schools didn't sell out yesterday for a
Big 12 home game.  I don't care what the excuses are.  K-State/Colorado had a lot of empty seats as did ku/Baylor.

Your team is undefeated, ranked 20th in the country . . . 7000 empty seats. 

When 43,000 in attendance for ku/baylor on a day when the rain delayed the game for over 3 hours is the only thing to bitch about, I'd say Kansas football has made some huge improvements. 

43,000 tickets sold . . . not in attendance.

[Pittcat]

Real fans wouldn't wouldn't let a little weather delay keep them from going to a game to cheer on their top 20 team.  All a weather delay is, is an extra tailgate opportunity.

[BMWJhawk]

You really have no room to talk when the K-State/Colorado game wasn't a sellout on a night when the game was nationally televised and didn't start until 8:15. 

[sonofdaxjones]

You really have no room to talk when the K-State/Colorado game wasn't a sellout on a night when the game was nationally televised and didn't start until 8:15. 

So instead of defending the pittiful attendance at your school for a nationally ranked team, you point out the attendance at KSU, where there was 3,000 MORE people.

I guess it's just too hard for those 80,000 ku alumni in the KC Metroplex, and 125,000 ku alumni within 1.5 hours of Lawrence and 27,000 on campus students to sell more than 43,000 tickets for a nationally ranked team.

[PittsburgJayhawk]

The thing is, I've never seen a single ku fan argue that the fanbase is where it needs to be.  Everyone understands that it's a process, and that it's going to take time.

Like it or not, there were outside factors at play.  crappy weather, 2.5 hours total of delay (Including a 45 minute delay during the game), crappy opponent.

Still, our fanbase needs to get better, and I think pretty much every ku fan acknowledges that fact. 

[fatty fat fat]

Being 2 hours from Kansas City is a huge deal. Look at people like Rusty/ECN/Clams who never come to games.

[Pittcat]

The thing is, I've never seen a single ku fan argue that the fanbase is where it needs to be.  Everyone understands that it's a process, and that it's going to take time.

Like it or not, there were outside factors at play.  crapty weather, 2.5 hours total of delay (Including a 45 minute delay during the game), crappy opponent.

Still, our fanbase needs to get better, and I think pretty much every ku fan acknowledges that fact. 

ku fans need to work on the little things like realizing there is a football team and that, HOLY CRAP, they're on TV!

[sonofdaxjones]

So the ku fans that didn't buy tickets knew there was going to be a weather delay on Saturday??

[ew2x4]

You really have no room to talk when the K-State/Colorado game wasn't a sellout on a night when the game was nationally televised and didn't start until 8:15. 

Starting at 8:15 is actually a huge drawback. I didn't get home till 1 am. And I live by Westloop....

[dlew12]

Didn't get home till 2:15 lastnight.  8:15 stars=pain in the ass.

[sonofdaxjones]

You really have no room to talk when the K-State/Colorado game wasn't a sellout on a night when the game was nationally televised and didn't start until 8:15. 

Starting at 8:15 is actually a huge drawback. I didn't get home till 1 am. And I live by Westloop....

Exactly . . . my parents who live in OP didn't get home until 2:30 in the morning.  ku . . . scheduled kickoff at 11:30 am, plenty of time to see the game and get back for an early dinner at PF Changs.

[PittsburgJayhawk]

So the ku fans that didn't buy tickets knew there was going to be a weather delay on Saturday??

It's a problem, dax.  But you're asking a group of fans that have been conditioned for mediocrity to show up en masse at the first sign (speaking in terms of recent history) of a quality product on the field.  That's just not going to happen.

It's wishful thinking for ku fans.  Would it be nice?  Sure.  But only a KSU fan would see it as something to ridicule.

All things considered, 43,000 was okay.  Not great, but okay.

[sonofdaxjones]

Sure it's worthy of ridicule, because ku is in the top half of the Big 12 in terms of enrollment and ku outside of Texas, OU and CU has the best demographics in the conference and even for a nationally ranked team, undefeated and coming of a commemorative T-Shirt win still has 7,000 empty seats . . . that's a LOLer.

[fatty fat fat]

Sure it's worthy of ridicule, because ku is in the top half of the Big 12 in terms of enrollment and ku outside of Texas, OU and CU has the best demographics in the conference and even for a nationally ranked team, undefeated and coming of a commemorative T-Shirt win still has 7,000 empty seats . . . that's a LOLer.

They also have remarkable basketball attendance.

[PittsburgJayhawk]

So you want to take outside factors into consideration when criticizing ku's attendance, but I can't when I'm trying to offer an explanation as to why the place wasn't full?

Okay.

Discussing something with you is like trying to do so with a 6 year old.

[cireksu]

If ksu was 20 minutes away, I would be a season ticket holder.

[Pittcat]

If ksu was 20 minutes away, I would be a season ticket holder.

Me too

[sonofdaxjones]

So you want to take outside factors into consideration when criticizing ku's attendance, but I can't when I'm trying to offer an explanation as to why the place wasn't full?

Okay.

Discussing something with you is like trying to do so with a 6 year old.

Where have I pointed out "outside factors" . . . all the "outside factors" I've pointed out about ku attendance should in fact be POSITIVES for more attendance at ku games.  Again, scheduled 11:35 kick, small stadium, 80,000 alumni in KC, over 125,000 alumni within an hour and a half or so, 27,000 students on campus in Lawrence . . . easy drive, easy trip back home, plenty of time to catch the sale at Nordstroms, nationally ranked team, undefeated, chance to pick up some commemorative KSU win T-Shirts . . . 43,000 tickets sold.

[fatty fat fat]

So you want to take outside factors into consideration when criticizing ku's attendance, but I can't when I'm trying to offer an explanation as to why the place wasn't full?

Okay.

Discussing something with you is like trying to do so with a 6 year old.

Where have I pointed out "outside factors" . . . all the "outside factors" I've pointed out about ku attendance should in fact be POSITIVES for more attendance at ku games.  Again, scheduled 11:35 kick, small stadium, 80,000 alumni in KC, over 125,000 alumni within an hour and a half or so, 27,000 students on campus in Lawrence . . . easy drive, easy trip back home, plenty of time to catch the sale at Nordstroms, nationally ranked team, undefeated, chance to pick up some commemorative KSU win T-Shirts . . . 43,000 tickets sold.

You do realize how awful ku football has been? I'm pretty sure you are aware of this.

[PittsburgJayhawk]

So you want to take outside factors into consideration when criticizing ku's attendance, but I can't when I'm trying to offer an explanation as to why the place wasn't full?

Okay.

Discussing something with you is like trying to do so with a 6 year old.

Where have I pointed out "outside factors" . . . all the "outside factors" I've pointed out about ku attendance should in fact be POSITIVES for more attendance at ku games.  Again, scheduled 11:35 kick, small stadium, 80,000 alumni in KC, over 125,000 alumni within an hour and a half or so, 27,000 students on campus in Lawrence . . . easy drive, easy trip back home, plenty of time to catch the sale at Nordstroms, nationally ranked team, undefeated, chance to pick up some commemorative KSU win T-Shirts . . . 43,000 tickets sold.

I shouldn't have to explain this to you, Dax.  Everything you've pointed out, from the proximity to KC and the fact that our team is nationally ranked, are outside factors that contribute to attendance at games.  You're pointing them out and using them to criticize ku's low attendance for the Baylor game.  I'm pointing out other outside factors, things like the crappy weather, crappy opponent, and basketball-first mentality of our fanbase, to support the statement that 43,000 for yesterday's game was excusable.

On topic:

Fanbases do not change overnight.  It's reality.  Attendance will be great for the Nebraska game, and I doubt there will be the same number of Husker fans as in years past.

The Iowa State game will be the true test of how far the ku fanbase has come over the course of the season, assuming the guys on the field don't implode completely in the coming weeks. 

[Sandman]

Dax, before you can talk anymore attendance smack.  Explain to me how KSU did not even come close to selling out Snyder's last game.  Greatest coach KSU will ever have and future HOFer, yet no sellout.  Not even close.  Give me a good reason, and I'll take you seriously. 

[kcpowercat]

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I love ya Dax, but if you're talking about yesterday, it might have been the weather.  Something about 45 mph wind gusts, torrential rain, and dangerous lightning storms.  Throw on top of that a 2 hour delay and I'll give them some slack.

But other than that, they are still ku and still suck.

Would that be the definition of fair weather?  Who waits until 30 minutes before the game to make sure the weather is OK before buying tickets.

Sad.

[BMWJhawk]

On top of the weather causing almost 3 hours of rain dealy, the students were also on fall break.  Like I said, if 43,000 in attendance for a ku/baylor game is the only thing you have to bitch about, then Kansas football is going in the right direction.

For a K-State fan to sit there and criticize another school about not selling out, when you had an 8:15 night game on ESPN against a decent Colorado team, that's just as weak as it gets.

[kcpowercat]

ku is the highest, most bandwagon it's been in a decade and you can't outdraw lowly KSU on the collapse of it's program?  Awesome fans.  what happens after the first stumble?  35k fans?  30k? 

the weather must be why we didn't have more for our nationally televised game.

[sonofdaxjones]

BMW . . . don't go into marketing, you're F'ing clueless.   Again, the only defense you have is that KSU didn't sellout, yet had 3,000 more people than ku did . . . an undefeated, ranked ku team can't outdraw KSU who played a game where a significant portion of KSU's demographic would be forced to drive in the wee hours of the next morning to get back home.   Sad . . .

Pitt . . . excellent spin.   

[Lynch]

Dax, before you can talk anymore attendance smack.  Explain to me how KSU did not even come close to selling out Snyder's last game.  Greatest coach KSU will ever have and future HOFer, yet no sellout.  Not even close.  Give me a good reason, and I'll take you seriously. 

Because fans (non-season ticket holders) only had 1 week notice to get to the game/get off work. My father who is a season ticket hold has to work on Saturday's, and couldn't get off in time to come to the game. Also on the work issue many K-state fans are rural and do work 6 days a week. Its hard to get off with those type of jobs.  Thats just one example. There were a lot of people at that game though, dont make it sound like it was empty.

[Sandman]

Who ever you are . . . "not even close" . . . so 47,800 in a 50,000 seat stadium is "not even close"?? 

No, it isn't.  The KSU athletic department says you had 46,039 for Snyder's last game.  You've had well over 53,000 in that stadium.  Over a 7,000 person difference.  And you're making us think 3,000 is a massive amount.  

And you're sidestepping the fact that you didn't sell it out.  The man who delivered KSU from the laughing stock it was to a national contender didn't even warrant a sell-out in his final game (in fact, almost 8,000 short of the largest crowd to watch a KSU game).  ku was playing a bad Baylor team after a 2 hour delay because of a downpour and lightning.  KSU was honoring their greatest coach in any sport.  Why didn't it sell out?

On a more important note:  ku has a better football team than KSU.  You take your attendance smack, I'll take the better team.

[fatty fat fat]

On a more important note:  ku has a better football team than KSU.  You take your attendance smack, I'll take the better team.

Hanging by a thread....

[Pittcat]

Who ever you are . . . "not even close" . . . so 47,800 in a 50,000 seat stadium is "not even close"?? 

No, it isn't.  The KSU athletic department says you had 46,039 for Snyder's last game.  You've had well over 53,000 in that stadium.  Over a 7,000 person difference.  And you're making us think 3,000 is a massive amount.  

And you're sidestepping the fact that you didn't sell it out.  The man who delivered KSU from the laughing stock it was to a national contender didn't even warrant a sell-out in his final game (in fact, almost 8,000 short of the largest crowd to watch a KSU game).  ku was playing a bad Baylor team after a 2 hour delay because of a downpour and lightning.  KSU was honoring their greatest coach in any sport.  Why didn't it sell out?

On a more important note:  ku has a better football team than KSU.  You take your attendance smack, I'll take the better team.

FWIW, since permanent seats were added to the north endzone maximum capacity was actually reduced from roughly 53,000 to right around 50,000.