K-State Stats expands to football!

[michigancat]

We pretty much already knew KSU's offensive coaching sucks at making adjustments, but the numbers are pretty surprising.

http://kstatestats.blogspot.com/2007/10/football-ksus-offensive-coaches.html

[Saulbadguy]

football stats = worthless. Won't even bother reading. 

[michigancat]

http://www.footballoutsiders.com

[ksu_FAN]

Those are very interesting numbers.  Very similar last year as well.  Definately something this staff needs to work on. 

I will say I am pleased in our ability to score in the first quarter this year, last year we were dreadful at putting points up early.  Last year we scored 3 total offensive touchdowns in the first quarter in 13 games.  This year we've already scored 6. 

TDs by quarter:
06   07
3     6
7     2
6     4
10   5

[michigancat]

Those are very interesting numbers.  Very similar last year as well.  Definately something this staff needs to work on. 

Do you think it's inexperience?  The situations? (i.e. getting ahead early leads to ultra-conservative second quarters?)

[ksu_FAN]

Those are very interesting numbers.  Very similar last year as well.  Definately something this staff needs to work on. 

Do you think it's inexperience?  The situations? (i.e. getting ahead early leads to ultra-conservative second quarters?)

I think it takes pretty good coaching to outscheme folks early, but our limitations on offense show after teams adjust.  I still think offensively we've got some holes and once defenses plug their leaks that we find through film study, etc. its difficult to adjust.  I'm not just trying to paint a rosy picture of our coaches here, but I think our issues with the 2nd quarter are just as much due to our offensive issues personnel wise as they are to our staff's inability to adjust during the game.  We have decent, but not great 3rd quarters as well, so that would further show that.  I do think its safe to say our staff seems to be able to scheme well when they have some time to put things together, but the real time adjustments are difficult, part of that is on their abilities, but more on personnel IMO. 

[kougar24]

Whenever I think of adjustments with regards to this coaching staff, I think of last year's ku game. ku had obviously schemed to stop Freeman's rollout after watching it work against UT, and they completely shut it down and destroyed him every time he rolled out of the pocket. So what did K-State do? That. Over and over and over again. And...well, you all know the result that day.

[ksu_FAN]

Whenever I think of adjustments with regards to this coaching staff, I think of last year's ku game. ku had obviously schemed to stop Freeman's rollout after watching it work against UT, and they completely shut it down and destroyed him every time he rolled out of the pocket. So what did K-State do? That. Over and over and over again. And...well, you all know the result that day.

That was not good, but seriously, your adjustments only go as far as your players take them.  I think we can see signs, but just like everything else with a new coaching staff you've got to give it some time.  They haven't fallen completely on their faces, but they haven't been exceptional either; about what I expected.  Their body of work will show what they have, and getting more depth especially on the offensive line and at wide reciever is necessary IMO before giving them a full evaluation.

[michigancat]

Those are very interesting numbers.  Very similar last year as well.  Definately something this staff needs to work on. 

I will say I am pleased in our ability to score in the first quarter this year, last year we were dreadful at putting points up early.  Last year we scored 3 total offensive touchdowns in the first quarter in 13 games.  This year we've already scored 6. 

TDs by quarter:
06   07
3     6
7     2
6     4
10   5

Interesting....

Last year's first quarters: 95 rushes, 95 passes
This year: 30 rushes, 62 passes.

Last year:  5.5 ypp
This year:  7.3 ypp

I'm sure a lot of that is the team just getting better, but still. 


Also, FAN, while I agree that you can only take schemes so far, if they can move the ball so effectively early, there has to be something they can adjust to once the opposition adjusts.

[kougar24]

Whenever I think of adjustments with regards to this coaching staff, I think of last year's ku game. ku had obviously schemed to stop Freeman's rollout after watching it work against UT, and they completely shut it down and destroyed him every time he rolled out of the pocket. So what did K-State do? That. Over and over and over again. And...well, you all know the result that day.

That was not good, but seriously, your adjustments only go as far as your players take them.  I think we can see signs, but just like everything else with a new coaching staff you've got to give it some time.  They haven't fallen completely on their faces, but they haven't been exceptional either; about what I expected.  Their body of work will show what they have, and getting more depth especially on the offensive line and at wide reciever is necessary IMO before giving them a full evaluation.

True, but Freeman getting destroyed last year had less to do with K-State's talent up front or decision-making by Freeman than it did with simply running plays that were tailor-made to be owned by the D's scheme of rushing the corners. That's just one example, of course.

[KSUTOMMY]

I think that things would benefit positively if we had a new/different OC - but that's my opinion. This team is confusing, that's for sure - but if this coaching staff is at the level of ku in 5 years - we are in trouble. Yeah yeah yeah, 5-0 (we know the reasoning for that) one thing that we as fans can point to that NO SQUAK fan can allege that they are better at is: in his first year Prince wasn't winless - if the blame is that Terry Allen left the cupboards bare - fine, but what is the excuse for the conf road record AND the miserable record against top 25 teams? I think the fact that we have owned UT speaks volumes of this Coaching staff... still confusing though. 

[kougar24]

Ha, what's with the auto-correct feature on this board? Lowercase "ku" and "owned"...nice.

[pissclams]

Rusty can you do some hard hitting stat-like stuff that will explain why while watching our Defense against Auburn we were fast, hard hitting, and fundamentally sound, and since then we've kinda basically sucked?

Once complete can you help explain why people here are so focused on blaming the ku loss on our Offense and Franklin while completely ignoring the fact that our defense made Jake Sharp look like John Riggens and the rest of ku's offense look...good?

TIA!!   

[michigancat]

Rusty can you do some hard hitting stat-like stuff that will explain why while watching our Defense against Auburn we were fast, hard hitting, and fundamentally sound, and since then we've kinda basically sucked?

Once complete can you help explain why people here are so focused on blaming the ku loss on our Offense and Franklin while completely ignoring the fact that our defense made Jake Sharp look like John Riggens and the rest of ku's offense look...good?

TIA!!   

No. 

[pissclams]

that does it. 
statsblog 

[michigancat]

I don't think the D has been that bad since AU.  (except the second half vs. ku. - they were beyond horrible then)

[ECN]

what do you think this is all about?

4th: 24-42, (57.1%), 149 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT, 80.51

[ksu_FAN]

Rusty can you do some hard hitting stat-like stuff that will explain why while watching our Defense against Auburn we were fast, hard hitting, and fundamentally sound, and since then we've kinda basically sucked?

Once complete can you help explain why people here are so focused on blaming the ku loss on our Offense and Franklin while completely ignoring the fact that our defense made Jake Sharp look like John Riggens and the rest of ku's offense look...good?

TIA!!   

Fans are focused on offense b/c its "easier" to analyze.  Most folks watch the ball 90% of the time and they've played playstation enough to know a few plays.  On defense though they notice (maybe) when we blitz a backer and who makes a tackle or gets a pick or picks up a fumble.  That's about it.  Fans are always more prone to talk about offense and its issues b/c they simply know a bit more about offensive football from being trained to watch the ball for years.

[michigancat]

what do you think this is all about?

4th: 24-42, (57.1%), 149 yards, 1 TD, 3 INT, 80.51

Can't come from behind in the 4th.

Force too much.

[pissclams]

Rusty can you do some hard hitting stat-like stuff that will explain why while watching our Defense against Auburn we were fast, hard hitting, and fundamentally sound, and since then we've kinda basically sucked?

Once complete can you help explain why people here are so focused on blaming the ku loss on our Offense and Franklin while completely ignoring the fact that our defense made Jake Sharp look like John Riggens and the rest of ku's offense look...good?

TIA!!   

Fans are focused on offense b/c its "easier" to analyze.  Most folks watch the ball 90% of the time and they've played playstation enough to know a few plays.  On defense though they notice (maybe) when we blitz a backer and who makes a tackle or gets a pick or picks up a fumble.  That's about it.  Fans are always more prone to talk about offense and its issues b/c they simply know a bit more about offensive football from being trained to watch the ball for years.

people fail to realize that in both the Auburn and the ku game we had the lead late in the 4th and with our defense on the field just had to stop them to win.  and couldn't.  and they blame the offense that got us the lead in the first place. 
 

[ECN]

they blame the offense for not being good enough to have a comfortable lead to not have to worry about last minute drives decided by the defense.

[michigancat]

Fans are idiots.

[pissclams]

that's gay.
defense wins games.  offense decides by how much.  snyder knew it.  prince and tibs sit in tibs' office playing halo 3 and barking at Franklin to go get them some shuttle all day long.
 

[michigancat]

that's gay.
defense wins games.  offense decides by how much.  snyder knew it.  prince and tibs sit in tibs' office playing halo 3 and barking at Franklin to go get them some shuttle all day long.
 

Bullsh*t.  They're working on special teams while Franklin goes to get them Gumby's.

[fatty fat fat]

people fail to realize that in both the Auburn and the ku game we had the lead late in the 4th and with our defense on the field just had to stop them to win.  and couldn't.  and they blame the offense that got us the lead in the first place.

qft. We lead Auburn with 3 mins. left, ku with 8 mins left.

pathetic.

[kougar24]

Rusty can you do some hard hitting stat-like stuff that will explain why while watching our Defense against Auburn we were fast, hard hitting, and fundamentally sound, and since then we've kinda basically sucked?

Once complete can you help explain why people here are so focused on blaming the ku loss on our Offense and Franklin while completely ignoring the fact that our defense made Jake Sharp look like John Riggens and the rest of ku's offense look...good?

TIA!!   

Fans are focused on offense b/c its "easier" to analyze.  Most folks watch the ball 90% of the time and they've played playstation enough to know a few plays.  On defense though they notice (maybe) when we blitz a backer and who makes a tackle or gets a pick or picks up a fumble.  That's about it.  Fans are always more prone to talk about offense and its issues b/c they simply know a bit more about offensive football from being trained to watch the ball for years.

people fail to realize that in both the Auburn and the ku game we had the lead late in the 4th and with our defense on the field just had to stop them to win.  and couldn't.  and they blame the offense that got us the lead in the first place. 
 

And then people on the other side fail to acknowledge how short some of our scoring drives were thanks to the D getting turnovers.

[Skycat]

Looking at the ku game though, fans are able to see that in the first half the defense had played pretty well for most, and the offense had a major field position advantage.  Had our offense not shot itself in the foot repeatedly, we could have easily been in control of the game by halftime.

That of course doesn't excuse the defense for allowing the opposition to put together 4th quarter game winning drives in both of our losses.

[michigancat]

Looking at the ku game though, fans are able to see that in the first half the defense had played pretty well for most, and the offense had a major field position advantage.  Had our offense not shot itself in the foot repeatedly, we could have easily been in control of the game by halftime.

The shooting itself in the foot had little to do with coaching and everything to do w/penalties, IMO.

[Skycat]

Looking at the ku game though, fans are able to see that in the first half the defense had played pretty well for most, and the offense had a major field position advantage.  Had our offense not shot itself in the foot repeatedly, we could have easily been in control of the game by halftime.

The shooting itself in the foot had little to do with coaching and everything to do w/penalties, IMO.

Obviously the penalties were huge, but many would attribute that back to coaching.

[michigancat]

Looking at the ku game though, fans are able to see that in the first half the defense had played pretty well for most, and the offense had a major field position advantage.  Had our offense not shot itself in the foot repeatedly, we could have easily been in control of the game by halftime.

The shooting itself in the foot had little to do with coaching and everything to do w/penalties, IMO.

Obviously the penalties were huge, but many would attribute that back to coaching.

Yeah, that's debatable.  The coaches preparing them to move the ball in the first half isn't, though.