Beware of Kansas...and I'm being serious..

[swish1]

ku is better coached

QFT.  But im surprised Rusty isnt throwing a fit about how great of a coach mack brown is.

[rcjh88]

I'm hoping that we go in and kick your a**, but MM has to prove to me that he can play well and win on the road before I will say that ku has a good chance to beat anyone on the road. The closest we have been in a game that meant anything was Neb. last year and we gave that one away. talent wise I know ku can play with and beat most teams in this conference (which is an improvement!!) but learning how to win on the road has been a problem.... a huge problem. Good luck and ROCK CHALK JAYHAWK!

[michigancat]

ku is better coached

QFT.  But im surprised Rusty isnt throwing a fit about how great of a coach mack brown is.

LOL @ your obsession w/ Mack and me.  Mack is a top 10 coach nationally.  Easily.

[Shenlong]

the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team.  So was Colorado going into last Saturday.  OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date.  Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game.  Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense.  And Auburn is a very well coached team.

Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?

[McGrowlTowelZac]

the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team.  So was Colorado going into last Saturday.  OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date.  Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game.  Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense.  And Auburn is a very well coached team.

Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?

er, that is a good point...but them going on the road and playing those teams, i am sure helped too.

[michigancat]

the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team.  So was Colorado going into last Saturday.  OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date.  Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game.  Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense.  And Auburn is a very well coached team.

Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?

I don't believe D1 teams look past other D1 teams (at least enough to make a significant difference).

[Shenlong]

the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team.  So was Colorado going into last Saturday.  OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date.  Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game.  Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense.  And Auburn is a very well coached team.

Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?

I don't believe D1 teams look past other D1 teams (at least enough to make a significant difference).

In that case, we can agree to disagree.  I do believe that with texas looming on the horizon, the sooners attempted to sleep walk through that CU game, and it cost them whatever chance they had at a national championship.  I believe that football as well as basketball teams have a tendancy to look past lesser teams, especially when their followup game is against a big rival. 

[catzacker]

the one thing I like about this matchup is that KSU is a tested team.  So was Colorado going into last Saturday.  OU, like ku, had not been on the road yet this year although they played far superior opponents than ku has played to date.  Playing an offense like Arizona State and a defense like Florida State's really prepared the Buffs for that game.  Likewise facing two very tough run defenses on the road like Auburn and Texas will prepare our offense for ku's salty run defense.  And Auburn is a very well coached team.

Wouldnt you agree with me that OUs loss in Boulder had more to do with OU looking past a bad CU team than it did CU being battle tested?

I don't believe D1 teams look past other D1 teams (at least enough to make a significant difference).

In that case, we can agree to disagree.  I do believe that with texas looming on the horizon, the sooners attempted to sleep walk through that CU game, and it cost them whatever chance they had at a national championship.  I believe that football as well as basketball teams have a tendancy to look past lesser teams, especially when their followup game is against a big rival. 

OU's loss to CU had to do with turnovers and a muffed punt.  You can't tell me that the OU recievers, running their routes, were thinking about UT and then got their hands on the ball, which was tipped up and then intercepted.  You can't tell me that Reggie Smith muffed a punt because he was thinking about UT when the game was, I believe, 24-17 with 4 minutes remaining.  In the same manner, UT was only down by 3 points in the 3rd until they got Jordy'd. 

[Shenlong]

If your not focused and your head isnt in the game a lot of mistakes happen.  I never said that during specific plays that Ou players could be thinking about texas.  It starts at the beginning of the week, and goes through all of your preparation.  Overlooking a team does not mean you are thinking about another team at said time, it just means that in the process you slacked in your preparation/motivation and played extremely flat against a lesser opponent.  IMO OU did look past CU, and it showed throughout the game.  If OU had their heads about them, and were prepared to play that game, they would have ran CU out of their own building.  Nowhere did I imply, however, that UT looked past KSU.  KSU has had texas' number, and that in itself is motivation.  Texas simply got beat.   OU beat themselves.

[michigancat]

I hate psychobabble in sports.

[Shenlong]

I hate psychobabble in sports.

LOL, as do I, but you know as well as I do that the nature of this very subject is a common occurrence in sports.

[michigancat]

No, I don't.  I've never seen any evidence that a team is more likely to lose immediately before or after a "big game".

You can point to OU and UT this year, but this is the first time they both won't be undefeated in conference play since 1999.  No "looking ahead" at all.

[Shenlong]

It is all interpretation I guess, but I believe in it, and still believe that it bit OU.  UT just got it handed to them by a superior team.  UT will lose at least 4 this year.

[cireksu]

I think it has more to do with the week of preparation and possibly having more distraction and not being as focused.  Players do not think about other teams in games.

[catzacker]

If your not focused and your head isnt in the game a lot of mistakes happen.  I never said that during specific plays that Ou players could be thinking about texas.  It starts at the beginning of the week, and goes through all of your preparation.  Overlooking a team does not mean you are thinking about another team at said time, it just means that in the process you slacked in your preparation/motivation and played extremely flat against a lesser opponent.  IMO OU did look past CU, and it showed throughout the game.  If OU had their heads about them, and were prepared to play that game, they would have ran CU out of their own building.  Nowhere did I imply, however, that UT looked past KSU.  KSU has had texas' number, and that in itself is motivation.  Texas simply got beat.   OU beat themselves.

So during practice, OU recievers weren't practicing on catching the ball?  Were they focused up 24-7 or just unfocused at 27-24?  CU just beat them.  People act like because the North has been bad but now appears as though it might be better/good, that a North team can't simply go out and beat a South team w/out some magical explanation.  Basically what you're saying is that OU wins the game if they were playing ISU next instead of UT.   

[Jeffrey_Martin]

'Hatter, I bow to your FBIQ. The offer stands - you want to be this week's "I Got Five On It?" I think it'd be good stuff. Holler at me at [email protected].

[catzacker]

'Hatter, I bow to your FBIQ. The offer stands - you want to be this week's "I Got Five On It?" I think it'd be good stuff. Holler at me at [email protected].

 

[fatty fat fat]

'Hatter, I bow to your FBIQ. The offer stands - you want to be this week's "I Got Five On It?" I think it'd be good stuff. Holler at me at [email protected].

not gonna happen.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

Why not?

[Bookie Pimp]

No, I don't.  I've never seen any evidence that a team is more likely to lose immediately before or after a "big game".

You can point to OU and UT this year, but this is the first time they both won't be undefeated in conference play since 1999.  No "looking ahead" at all.

Rusty...

take this argument up at www.cappersempire.com and you will get absolutely pwned!  I'm sure somebody there has statistics on it for you.

Now, with that said, the "look-ahead", "sandwich", and "hangover" situations are ALL very much real and play greatly into how each season plays out.  To a lesser degreee, "revenge" plays into a great deal of evenly matched contests as well.

HTH

[swish1]

ku is better coached

QFT.  But im surprised Rusty isnt throwing a fit about how great of a coach mack brown is.

LOL @ your obsession w/ Mack and me.  Mack is a top 10 coach nationally.  Easily.

i will admit that it bothers me that you think he is some kind of genius.

but why did you just completely ignore the fact that manhatter basically said mangino was a better coach than mack brown when mangino has only won like 2 conference road games his entire career?

[michigancat]

No, I don't.  I've never seen any evidence that a team is more likely to lose immediately before or after a "big game".

You can point to OU and UT this year, but this is the first time they both won't be undefeated in conference play since 1999.  No "looking ahead" at all.

Rusty...

take this argument up at www.cappersempire.com and you will get absolutely pwned!  I'm sure somebody there has statistics on it for you.

Now, with that said, the "look-ahead", "sandwich", and "hangover" situations are ALL very much real and play greatly into how each season plays out.  To a lesser degreee, "revenge" plays into a great deal of evenly matched contests as well.

HTH

Link to something.  I can't search the forum.

I'd love to see some stats on that.

[michigancat]

i will admit that it bothers me that you think he is some kind of genius.

but why did you just completely ignore the fact that manhatter basically said mangino was a better coach than mack brown when mangino has only won like 2 conference road games his entire career?

Ignores recruiting.  You can't ignore recruiting when evaluating coaches.  There are probably better x's and o's guys and motivators all the way down to NAIA.  I don't have a problem with saying that at all.

[Shenlong]

If your not focused and your head isnt in the game a lot of mistakes happen.  I never said that during specific plays that Ou players could be thinking about texas.  It starts at the beginning of the week, and goes through all of your preparation.  Overlooking a team does not mean you are thinking about another team at said time, it just means that in the process you slacked in your preparation/motivation and played extremely flat against a lesser opponent.  IMO OU did look past CU, and it showed throughout the game.  If OU had their heads about them, and were prepared to play that game, they would have ran CU out of their own building.  Nowhere did I imply, however, that UT looked past KSU.  KSU has had texas' number, and that in itself is motivation.  Texas simply got beat.   OU beat themselves.

So during practice, OU recievers weren't practicing on catching the ball?  Were they focused up 24-7 or just unfocused at 27-24?  CU just beat them.  People act like because the North has been bad but now appears as though it might be better/good, that a North team can't simply go out and beat a South team w/out some magical explanation.  Basically what you're saying is that OU wins the game if they were playing ISU next instead of UT.   

You are good at twisting things.  Of course they were practicing catching the ball.  They werent mentally there.  They took a CU team lightly and it bit them.  And yes, OU would blow ISU out, and probably will beat UT by at least 14.

[Fedor]

i will admit that it bothers me that you think he is some kind of genius.

but why did you just completely ignore the fact that manhatter basically said mangino was a better coach than mack brown when mangino has only won like 2 conference road games his entire career?

Ignores recruiting.  You can't ignore recruiting when evaluating coaches.  There are probably better x's and o's guys and motivators all the way down to NAIA.  I don't have a problem with saying that at all.

You are ignoring the money.  Could Mack recruit like that if he was at Iowa State?  Hell no, it's like the old geezer in the Porche w/ a trophy wife.  You would apparently say the guy is obviously attractive, while it's actually the money, 'cause if the geezer was broke there is no way he could pull wool like that. 

[Shenlong]

I believe that Mack is a pretty good coach, however I must agree with the money side of things.  UT has a massive athletic budget, allowing them to have some of the best facilities in the NCAA.  Without touching on the coaching aspect of this discussion, I do believe that a monkey could recruit to UT.

[michigancat]

You are ignoring the money.  Could Mack recruit like that if he was at Iowa State?  Hell no, it's like the old geezer in the Porche w/ a trophy wife.  You would apparently say the guy is obviously attractive, while it's actually the money, 'cause if the geezer was broke there is no way he could pull wool like that. 

He has a better winning percentage at Texas than Darrell Royal.

He was incredible at UNC.  He wouldn't recruit at the same level at ISU as he is at Texas, but he would be an above average recruiter based on ISU's standards and would have above average results for them.  No national titles, but he'd be successful enough to move up to a place where he could (i.e. Texas).

[ksu_FAN]

I believe that Mack is a pretty good coach, however I must agree with the money side of things.  UT has a massive athletic budget, allowing them to have some of the best facilities in the NCAA.  Without touching on the coaching aspect of this discussion, I do believe that a monkey could recruit to UT.

How is this different than any of the other elite schools?  USC, OU, etc.?  

Brown took a struggling UNC program and won 10 games three times in his 10 years there.  At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season.  Bob Stoops can't even say that at Oklahoma.  

[michigancat]

At UT he's never won less than 9 games in a season. 

UT failed to win 9 games in 12 out of 14 seasons before Mack arrived.

[catzacker]

If your not focused and your head isnt in the game a lot of mistakes happen.  I never said that during specific plays that Ou players could be thinking about texas.  It starts at the beginning of the week, and goes through all of your preparation.  Overlooking a team does not mean you are thinking about another team at said time, it just means that in the process you slacked in your preparation/motivation and played extremely flat against a lesser opponent.  IMO OU did look past CU, and it showed throughout the game.  If OU had their heads about them, and were prepared to play that game, they would have ran CU out of their own building.  Nowhere did I imply, however, that UT looked past KSU.  KSU has had texas' number, and that in itself is motivation.  Texas simply got beat.   OU beat themselves.

So during practice, OU recievers weren't practicing on catching the ball?  Were they focused up 24-7 or just unfocused at 27-24?  CU just beat them.  People act like because the North has been bad but now appears as though it might be better/good, that a North team can't simply go out and beat a South team w/out some magical explanation.  Basically what you're saying is that OU wins the game if they were playing ISU next instead of UT.   

You are good at twisting things.  Of course they were practicing catching the ball.  They werent mentally there.  They took a CU team lightly and it bit them.  And yes, OU would blow ISU out, and probably will beat UT by at least 14.

Were they mentallly there up 24-7?  Or just not mentally there at 24-27?  CU's defense is good, just because OU didn't put up 50 points doesn't mean they were sleep walking.  And my point about ISU is that you're insinuating that if OU played CU and then ISU the next week, that OU would've beat CU, which is absurd.