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September 26, 2007, 02:09:02 PM
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The 3-4 is a terrible scheme in college football. It works in the NFL because the teams that run it have 290 DEs who can still run. We should exploit this defense. They will struggle to get pressure on Colt. With the 3-4 you must either show your blitzes early or you have to bring your LBs from 5 yards back. Either way it makes blitzes easier to pick up especially with an athletic OLine like we have. They will most likely have a 0 technique DT which means Dallas or Chris will have to be ready right after they snap it because they will have to get that guy. They will also have 5 techniques from the DE and one LB will be on the line in a 9 technique. This means that if you can force the LBs to over pursue than you will have huge running lanes on the backside. We need to use the zone read counter all day and get their LBs out of position and then run for days. Because they have only 3 DLine they are forced to blitz more often to get pressure. This means that their zones will have holes or they will have to run a lot of man coverage. We should exploit this with Play Action fakes and utilize our deep core of receivers and tire out their secondary. The 3-4 is not practical because most college teams won't have the size and athleticism at the DEs and LBs. We are bigger, stronger, and faster (except for Jordy) than they are which means that because of their scheme they are screwed. We should pick up blitzes easily and use the counter to create large running lanes.
 
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Wow, they sure do have some in-depth analysis over there.  Who knew we installed a defense that doesn't work in CFB?  We should let Tibesar and our 13th ranked defense know so they can make a change.

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September 26, 2007, 02:11:36 PM
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September 26, 2007, 02:11:55 PM
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(except for Jordy)
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And while that guy is pretty knowledgable, he WAY oversimplified what you can do out of the 3-4.

September 26, 2007, 02:15:35 PM
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BEWARE THE EYES OF TEXAS

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September 26, 2007, 02:16:58 PM
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I thought maybe this would be nice weekend to be around Texas fans down here.

Now I see they are analyzing our plays and getting serious about us.  They are spending an awful lot of time analyzing plays, game film, player dressing techniques.  I've never seen a rival get so worked up about a game.


September 26, 2007, 02:26:49 PM
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(except for Jordy)
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Yea, too bad Deon is so slow...

September 26, 2007, 02:27:38 PM
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That's because they have higher fb iq's than our pretend rivals.
I've never seen a rival get so worked up about a game.



September 26, 2007, 02:54:11 PM
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We are bigger, stronger, and faster (except for Jordy) than they are which means that because of their scheme they are screwed.

Does "their scheme" imply Jordy is part of our defensive scheme?  Or did he suddenly shift to offense.


September 26, 2007, 03:07:20 PM
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I haven't and won't go back and count, but I would venture to make a guess that we actually rushed 3 and only 3 people on very few plays over the past 3 games.  Further, I would venture to guess that for the most part, when we brought people, we didn't bring them 5 yards off the ball, they were already at the LOS.  Hell, for most plays it almost looks like a 5 to 6 man front then one or multiple people peel back into coverage and everyone else rushes. 

September 26, 2007, 03:17:20 PM
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I haven't and won't go back and count, but I would venture to make a guess that we actually rushed 3 and only 3 people on very few plays over the past 3 games.  Further, I would venture to guess that for the most part, when we brought people, we didn't bring them 5 yards off the ball, they were already at the LOS.  Hell, for most plays it almost looks like a 5 to 6 man front then one or multiple people peel back into coverage and everyone else rushes. 

Exactly.  3-4 appears to look like a 5-2 because the outside LB are usually up on the line.
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September 26, 2007, 03:32:31 PM
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What the Hell is a "5" and a "9" Technique?  Are they reffereing to thier gap assignments or how the players are starting out? And if so where the hell is the 9 gap.


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September 26, 2007, 03:34:14 PM
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He criticized our D-ends..I figured that was the strength of our team.

Rob Jackson + Michael Abana + Ian Campbell  :love:

September 26, 2007, 03:58:10 PM
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He criticized our D-ends..I figured that was the strength of our team.

Rob Jackson + Michael Abana + Ian Campbell  :love:

Exactly.  And last time I checked, Abana is 6'5", 280lbs.  I think that is an NFL sized DE according to that guy.  Oh well, UT fans have a much higher FBIQ than "Kay Staters"...

You can spend hours on their site killing time...idiots.   :blahblah:


September 26, 2007, 04:26:05 PM
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Here's my analysis of TU:

Texas sucks!!!

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September 26, 2007, 10:24:11 PM
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What the Hell is a "5" and a "9" Technique?  Are they reffereing to thier gap assignments or how the players are starting out? And if so where the hell is the 9 gap.


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Its a somewhat strange system for aligning defensive players commonly used by coaches.

On a center, a DL/NT can line up in a 0 technique (straight up), a strong shade (shoulder to the TE side) or a weak shade (shoulder away from the TE).  On a guard, a DL can line up in a 2i (inside shoulder), 2 (straight up), or 3 (outside shoulder).  On a tackle, a DL can line up in a 4i (inside shoulder), 4 (straight up) or 5 (outside shoulder).  And against a TE a DL can line up in a 7 (inside shoulder), 8 (straight up), or a 9 (outside shoulder).  Then you can line up your LBs off that, and generally a LB will add a 10s to the technique, for example an inside backer in a base 3-4 would probably be in a 30 (outside shoulder of the guard, off the LOS) technique.  The gap assignments are still the same; between the C and OGs are the A gaps, OGs and OTs are B gaps, OTs and TEs are C gaps, and outside the TE the D gaps.  So a 3 tech usually will be assigned the B gap to his side and so on.

So in the original post from the UT fan, a 0 technique (NG) is head up on the center and probably assigned to both A gaps, the 5s would mean both DEs are outside shoulder of the OTs and assigned C gaps and the OLBs are in 9s and assigned D gaps, outside shoulder of the TE.  The MLBs would be in 30s and cover the B gaps. 

In reality, we (as well as most defenses) will move our front.  For example, we might move our defense strong, meaning the entire front (besides the playside OLB) will slide over a technique toward the TE.  So the weakside OLB would be in a 5 (usually when there is no TE), the weakside DE in a 3, the NG in a strong shade, the strong DE in a 5, and the strong OLB in a 9.  Then the MLBs would adjust, probably from a 30 to a weak shade off the LOS.  Defensives will slide their fronts like this b/c it changes gap assignments.  And often they'll line up in one set and may slant to a different technique ont the snap which changes their gap assignment. 

All of this is done to confuse the offensive line and make it harder to block people; this movement by defenses (and more athletic defensive linemen) has brought about a lot of the zone blocking schemes in which offensive lineman basically block an area instead of man blocking schemes where they are assigned a specific defensive player with certain rules. 

September 27, 2007, 12:51:17 AM
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What the Hell is a "5" and a "9" Technique?  Are they reffereing to thier gap assignments or how the players are starting out? And if so where the hell is the 9 gap.


              :confused: :confused: :confused:

Its a somewhat strange system for aligning defensive players commonly used by coaches.

On a center, a DL/NT can line up in a 0 technique (straight up), a strong shade (shoulder to the TE side) or a weak shade (shoulder away from the TE).  On a guard, a DL can line up in a 2i (inside shoulder), 2 (straight up), or 3 (outside shoulder).  On a tackle, a DL can line up in a 4i (inside shoulder), 4 (straight up) or 5 (outside shoulder).  And against a TE a DL can line up in a 7 (inside shoulder), 8 (straight up), or a 9 (outside shoulder).  Then you can line up your LBs off that, and generally a LB will add a 10s to the technique, for example an inside backer in a base 3-4 would probably be in a 30 (outside shoulder of the guard, off the LOS) technique.  The gap assignments are still the same; between the C and OGs are the A gaps, OGs and OTs are B gaps, OTs and TEs are C gaps, and outside the TE the D gaps.  So a 3 tech usually will be assigned the B gap to his side and so on.

So in the original post from the UT fan, a 0 technique (NG) is head up on the center and probably assigned to both A gaps, the 5s would mean both DEs are outside shoulder of the OTs and assigned C gaps and the OLBs are in 9s and assigned D gaps, outside shoulder of the TE.  The MLBs would be in 30s and cover the B gaps. 

In reality, we (as well as most defenses) will move our front.  For example, we might move our defense strong, meaning the entire front (besides the playside OLB) will slide over a technique toward the TE.  So the weakside OLB would be in a 5 (usually when there is no TE), the weakside DE in a 3, the NG in a strong shade, the strong DE in a 5, and the strong OLB in a 9.  Then the MLBs would adjust, probably from a 30 to a weak shade off the LOS.  Defensives will slide their fronts like this b/c it changes gap assignments.  And often they'll line up in one set and may slant to a different technique ont the snap which changes their gap assignment. 

All of this is done to confuse the offensive line and make it harder to block people; this movement by defenses (and more athletic defensive linemen) has brought about a lot of the zone blocking schemes in which offensive lineman basically block an area instead of man blocking schemes where they are assigned a specific defensive player with certain rules. 
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