Are you guys really that delusional?

[FBWillie]

I know some one will point out the six guys that have more than one star next to there name... But surely you see my point that if it wasn't for those six guys, Texas would be in the same boat as us... 13 guys with 1 star.... Hmmm......   

[mjrod]

Did you read me earlier post? No one in the country is offering people this early. We are like third in line with the most commits.

Come to me with THAT complaint when it's August and these kids still don't have any scholarship offers.

Why doesn't anyone in the country (but Kansas State) offer this early?

OK, I'll bite.

Why is that an issue?

[FBWillie]

I think the strategy here is to lock up some good talent early so that the "great" talent can be wined & dined with a little more attention later. 

Nice opinion... I agree.

[FBWillie]

What's the better scenario:

A. Having a commit from a kid early, and then the heavy weights put the pressure on late in the recruiting year.

B. Showing up at the same time, or after, the heavyweights put on the pressure and offering at the same time....or later

or C.  Having a kid commit early that no one else in D1 wants, taking a scholly from a marginal B12 prospect.

What Info do you have that leads you to believe that no other D1 school wants these kids?

[michigancat]

What's the better scenario:

A. Having a commit from a kid early, and then the heavy weights put the pressure on late in the recruiting year.

B. Showing up at the same time, or after, the heavyweights put on the pressure and offering at the same time....or later

or C.  Having a kid commit early that no one else in D1 wants, taking a scholly from a marginal B12 prospect.

What Info do you have that leads you to believe that no other D1 school wants these kids?

The same info you have that leads you to believe that "heavyweights" will want these kids down the road.

Jesus.

[michigancat]

Did you read me earlier post? No one in the country is offering people this early. We are like third in line with the most commits.

Come to me with THAT complaint when it's August and these kids still don't have any scholarship offers.

Why doesn't anyone in the country (but Kansas State) offer this early?

OK, I'll bite.

Why is that an issue?

Because it's a risk.

[mjrod]

Did you read me earlier post? No one in the country is offering people this early. We are like third in line with the most commits.

Come to me with THAT complaint when it's August and these kids still don't have any scholarship offers.

Why doesn't anyone in the country (but Kansas State) offer this early?

OK, I'll bite.

Why is that an issue?

Because it's a risk.

That's overly broad.

Quantify that risk.

[FBWillie]

What's the better scenario:

A. Having a commit from a kid early, and then the heavy weights put the pressure on late in the recruiting year.

B. Showing up at the same time, or after, the heavyweights put on the pressure and offering at the same time....or later

or C.  Having a kid commit early that no one else in D1 wants, taking a scholly from a marginal B12 prospect.

What Info do you have that leads you to believe that no other D1 school wants these kids?

The same info you have that leads you to believe that "heavyweights" will want these kids down the road.

Jesus.

Actually, I think I've made it very clear that my opinion is it's just as likely that "heavyweights" will be on these kids as it is that these kids will be a bust...

The point I'm trying to make is that NO ONE KNOWS IF THEY WILL OR IF THEY WON’T BE SUPERSTARS OR BUSTS.  I'm not arguing that this is the right thing or the wrong thing.  I'm arguing that making such bold statements as: Why are we picking up these losers? Is just as stupid as saying: These one star kids could turn out to be the next Terrance Newman!

I AM TRYING TO SAY THAT ARGUEING ABOUT THIS IS STUPID AS WE ARE ALL BASING OUR BELIEFES ON INCOMPLETE INFORMATION.

I've shown that Top tier programs are getting just as many commits from "UNKNOWN" recruits as us.  
I've shown that ranking players at this point in time is based off of incomplete information.

I don't think I can spell it out for anyone any clearer than this:  WORRYING ABOUT THIS AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS PREMATURE.

[michigancat]

I'm arguing that making such bold statements as: Why are we picking up these losers?

WTF said that?

Also, Texas' "unknown" commits have offers from schools like LSU, aTm, Gergia Tech, Oklahoma, Florida, Nebraska, Arizona, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech.  Outside of Lamark Brown, the best offer a KSU recruit has is freaking Vanderbilt's offer of Dee Bell.

[michigancat]

Did you read me earlier post? No one in the country is offering people this early. We are like third in line with the most commits.

Come to me with THAT complaint when it's August and these kids still don't have any scholarship offers.

Why doesn't anyone in the country (but Kansas State) offer this early?

OK, I'll bite.

Why is that an issue?

Because it's a risk.

That's overly broad.

Quantify that risk.

Risky enough that less than 99% of D1 football programs are in "wait and see" mode on 90% of our commits.

[mjrod]

Risky enough that less than 99% of D1 football programs are in "wait and see" mode on 90% of our commits.

That's your interpretation.

I can just as easily say the schools are this point haven't begun evaluations on kids.

[michigancat]

Risky enough that less than 99% of D1 football programs are in "wait and see" mode on 90% of our commits.

That's your interpretation.

I can just as easily say the schools are this point haven't begun evaluations on kids.

Why haven't they begun evaluations?

[mjrod]

Risky enough that less than 99% of D1 football programs are in "wait and see" mode on 90% of our commits.

That's your interpretation.

I can just as easily say the schools are this point haven't begun evaluations on kids.

Why haven't they begun evaluations?

The same reason you think they are out there waiting and seeing.  They aren't ready to evaluate yet,.

[michigancat]

Why are we ready to evaluate when no one else is?

[chum1]

the best offer a KSU recruit has is freaking Vanderbilt's offer of Dee Bell.

Vanderbilt is way better than they used to be.  They are no longer a laughingstock.

[mjrod]

Why is that a problem that we do it now?   

Do you believe this staff is unqualified to evaluate players?

[FBWillie]

I'm arguing that making such bold statements as: Why are we picking up these losers?

WTF said that?

Notice I didn't have quotes around that statement?  Because I'm summarizing everything that YOU and FATTY are saying.

Also, Texas' "unknown" commits have offers from schools like LSU, aTm, Gergia Tech, Oklahoma, Florida, Nebraska, Arizona, Oklahoma State, and Texas Tech.  Outside of Lamark Brown, the best offer a KSU recruit has is freaking Vanderbilt's offer of Dee Bell.

HOW MANY FRICK'N TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY IT?  THE RECRUITING PROCESS IS IN PHASE 1 OF 20 PHASES (<------- THAT IS SARCASM, BUT YOU GET MY POINT) There are 9 months left to complain about this, why is this such a big deal at this point.   Any one of our guys could easily pick up 5 offers tomorrow!  Is it Likely?  Just as likely as it would be for them to not pick up any!  My point is, Stop b1tching about the story line to a book when all you've done is read the title.  

[FBWillie]

I understand you are stubborn, so I'll help you out with this one.

I'm sorry FBWillie, I just can't admit to myself or anyone else that I am wrong... I'll try to be more patient in the future and have faith in our coaching staff because I love KSU so much that I will stand behind them like family.  I may not always agree with their actions, but I'll support Coach Prince like he's my brother, because he is what we have. Jumping ship early and firing a coach for no reason at all will ultimately make us just like Nebraska.  Fatty and I will try to work on seeing things from both perspectives and not be so quick to judge.  Thank you for showing us the error in our ways. 

 

[michigancat]

Why is that a problem that we do it now?

Do you believe this staff is unqualified to evaluate players?

You're avoiding the question.

[mjrod]

Why is that a problem that we do it now?

Do you believe this staff is unqualified to evaluate players?

You're avoiding the question.

Prince has stated before recruiting is a 365 24/7 job. 

Do you believe that's a problem and are they unqualified to do so?

[michigancat]

Why is that a problem that we do it now?

Do you believe this staff is unqualified to evaluate players?

You're avoiding the question.

Prince has stated before recruiting is a 365 24/7 job.

Do you believe that's a problem and are they unqualified to do so?

I don't believe the staff "unqualified", but I believe that the jury is still out on their ability to evaluate players without seeing them in action.

Do you believe Prince and his staff work harder than other D1 staffs?

[mjrod]

Why is that a problem that we do it now?

Do you believe this staff is unqualified to evaluate players?

You're avoiding the question.

Prince has stated before recruiting is a 365 24/7 job.

Do you believe that's a problem and are they unqualified to do so?

I don't believe the staff "unqualified", but I believe that the jury is still out on their ability to evaluate players without seeing them in action.

Do you believe Prince and his staff work harder than other D1 staffs?

Your jury has already made judgements on the current recruiting and commits.

Working harder at what?

[FBWillie]

Why is that a problem that we do it now?

Do you believe this staff is unqualified to evaluate players?

You're avoiding the question.

Prince has stated before recruiting is a 365 24/7 job.

Do you believe that's a problem and are they unqualified to do so?

I don't believe the staff "unqualified", but I believe that the jury is still out on their ability to evaluate players without seeing them in action.

Do you believe Prince and his staff work harder than other D1 staffs?

I believe they are working harder.  Is that so hard to believe... Everything we are reading/ seeing/ hearing talks about how much more energetic this staff is.  Why is it hard to believe that our staff is working just as hard as Texas who has 19 commits?
Could it be possible that they were looking at Sophomores last year when they finished off their 06 recruiting... What you are suggesting as doubtful isn't impossible, and frankly I'm getting a little tired of you bashing KANSAS STATE UNIVERSITY's coach that hasn't proven himself as either a loser or a winner.  Why can't you give him the benefeit of the doubt based soley on the fact that Bill Snyder had some say in Coach Prince getting hired?  Can't you give him the benefeit of the doubt based on the energy he has surrounded this program in the last 3 months?