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[michigancat]

Garrett Stutz from KC.  "Sleeper", but visiting Kentucky for Midnight Madness.

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070829/SPORTS11/70829028/1002/SPORTS

[ECN]

Garrett said he might also visit Marquette as one of his official visits, while other schools likely to get an official or unofficial visit were Kansas, SMU, Iowa State, Nebraska, Kansas State, Wichita State, Missouri State and Saint Louis.

thats an interesting list.

[michigancat]

3 star on scout

http://kansasstate.scout.com/a.z?s=173&p=8&c=1&nid=3332463

[michigancat]

A little more:

The College Coaches Network blog says he's a "big body and long. Keeps ball up. Soft touch. Great mits. Huge upside! Mobile."

And ESPN.com says he's "rapidly improving. His greatest asset lies in his knowledge of the game. He understands the nuances of the low post game (sealing, re-posting, passing out of the post, screening angles). Garrett finishes effectively around the basket with either hand."

http://www.courier-journal.com/blogs/demling/labels/Garrett%20Stutz.html

[sys]

i have a hard time believing in sleepers.

[KSU4ME]

I believed in sleepers until the following happened.

Canby
DaBarossa
Afeli
Diarra
Kent
Yearby
Richards

[steve dave]

knowledge of the game. He understands the nuances of the low post game (sealing, re-posting, passing out of the post, screening angles). Garrett finishes effectively around the basket with either hand."

Add "stays out of foul trouble and isn't s**thouse crazy" and he's the anti-Bennett.

[ksuno1stunner]

i have a hard time believing in sleepers.

Tyler Hughes clone

[michigancat]

Tyler Hughes was better than any of our posts last season.

Not even close.

[KSU4ME]

Tyler Hughes was better than any of our posts last season.

Not even close.

While true, that is no solid evidence for believing in sleepers.

[michigancat]

Tyler Hughes was better than any of our posts last season.

Not even close.

While true, that is no solid evidence for believing in sleepers.

Frank Richards wasn't a sleeper.

[catzacker]

Would Massey qualify as a sleeper?

[michigancat]

Would Massey qualify as a sleeper?

Larry Reid probably would, too.

I'd rather have the McDAA's, though.

^Bold statement

[sys]

Would Massey qualify as a sleeper?

no, he was highly thought of for a california juco.

[KSU4ME]

I know some name schools showed interest in Richards, but who offered him?

He was previously committed to Ohio U.

[michigancat]

I know some name schools showed interest in Richards, but who offered him?

He was previously committed to Ohio U.

NC State

[yosh]

Would Massey qualify as a sleeper?

no, he was highly thought of for a california juco.

Did Massey go JUCO because of grades?  If not, he still qualifies as a "sleeper". 

[KSU4ME]

I know some name schools showed interest in Richards, but who offered him?

He was previously committed to Ohio U.

NC State

He didn't even visit NC State.

But I guess that somehow makes him not a sleeper.

[michigancat]

I know some name schools showed interest in Richards, but who offered him?

He was previously committed to Ohio U.

NC State

He didn't even visit NC State.

But I guess that somehow makes him not a sleeper.

He had one scheduled, but committed to KSU first.  He was 4 stars (!) on Rivals, 3 stars on Scout.

http://northwestern.scout.com/a.z?s=179&p=8&c=1&nid=11805

Most Jucos that sign early aren't usually "sleepers" (Massey included).  Lots of good Jucos have to sign late.

[sys]

Did Massey go JUCO because of grades?  If not, he still qualifies as a "sleeper". 

he went juco to improve his offers.  he was qualified out of hs.  he was a sleeper in hs, but not as a juco recruit.

[KSU4ME]

When a guy is a 3/4 star JUCO, and KSU is his best/only offer, which of the following is more likely.

He's a sleeper, and the ranking services were off.

He's a stud, the ranking services were on, and every good coach in America was just off.

Sleeper = big schools not interested = Frank Richards.

[michigancat]

When you trust offer lists from Rivals databases, you're an idiot.

So, Stutz = Hughes - RSO?

[KSU4ME]

I can't see offer lists from Rivals.

But nice strawman.

Keep thinking KSU stole Richards away from legit programs.  It will amuse me until Saturday.

[BMWJhawk]

Rusty, is this a guy you would "LOL" at if it were a ku recruit?

[michigancat]

I can't see offer lists from Rivals.

But nice strawman.

Keep thinking KSU stole Richards away from legit programs.  It will amuse me until Saturday.

Where are you getting your offer list from?  And LOL @ you throwing in a straw man in that post.

Rusty, is this a guy you would "LOL" at if it were a ku recruit?

Yeah, definitely.  Did you see where he was at ku's pickup game Monday?  *Edit: That was so funny I forgot to LOL*

[pissclams]

Rusty, is this a guy you would "LOL" at if it were a ku recruit?

ku recruits elite players to their elite program.  Of course this dude is an LOL (for ku).

[sys]

lol at ku and stutz.  also lol at thinking bossi is objetive when it comes to releford.

[michigancat]

Kentucky board says he could be a 4 star?

http://www.wildcatnation.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27460

[ksu_FAN]

You couldn't have been following recruiting very much at the time if you considered Richards a sleeper at the time of his recruitment.  He was just as touted as Stephon Hannah or Blake Young out of JUCO.  NC State wanted him bad.  Granted, the other main players were Auburn and Butler, but its not uncommon for Top 20 JUCO players to list a variety of schools.  Richards wasn't a "can't miss" JUCO recruit, there are only a couple of those a year, but he was certainly he was more than a sleeper.  There is no doubt that Richards didn't even come close to living up to his billing out of JUCO.  If I remember right, BP was very high on Richards coming out of JUCO. 

The only other guys that could really be considered sleepers on your list are DaBarrosa and Yearby.  By that I mean that at least one recruiting service reportedly said that they were guys people were missing on.  The rest of those guys would be more project recruits than sleepers.

[michigancat]

Also, this guy really doesn't compare to any of the other "sleepers" mentioned because he grew 5 inches between his sophomore and junior summers.  I mean, the guy went from no interest from anyone in April to setting up a Kentucky visit in August.

Most of the guys listed were consistently borderline recruits that got signed late to fill spots.