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August 29, 2007, 03:16:45 PM
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So we have 5 sacks total among the returning DTs.  I stand by my comment:  "Or DT   :crybaby:"


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STOP BEING SO F-ING NEGATIVE.  :curse:


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August 29, 2007, 03:18:24 PM
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So we have 5 sacks total among the returning DTs.  I stand by my comment:  "Or DT   :crybaby:"

STOP BEING SO F-ING NEGATIVE.  :curse:


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You think the DTs are good?  I'm not going to lie and say we are in great shape at DT.  I am a glass is half empty kind of guy but that glass is bone dry.
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August 29, 2007, 03:19:13 PM
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Apparently this so called expert hasn't seen your offensive line.

Or DT  :crybaby:

led the conference in sacks. Me=lol at u

Steven Cline led the conference in sacks?   :confused:  I would hazard a guess that all of our DTs COMBINED have less then 5 sacks in their careers. 

They combined for either 20.5 or 17.0 last season.  (Did Manu play DT or DE last season?) I don't know where that put them in the conference though.

Echols-4
Cline-3
Seiler-3
Moran-4
Manu(?)-3.5
Balkcom-1
Faustin-1

So we have 5 sacks total among the returning DTs.  I stand by my comment:  "Or DT   :crybaby:"



but that was in the 4-3.

This is this year.

Cline will have a breakout game vs. 'Burn. :dancin:
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August 29, 2007, 03:20:56 PM
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Maxell, Nebraska/Creighton, Happy and Gay did not collaborate to write this bit...

Kansas State @ Auburn (Auburn - 13 1/2):  The question I have in this one is can Auburn score 14 points to cover?  Tommy and company are a grind it out defensive ballclub.  Even with Brandon Cox at the helm for the Tigers, this is one of the worst offenses in the SEC.  There is no doubt that the Tigers hold their hat on their defensive prowess.  However, K-State beat Texas last year, and have one of the most talented QB's in the country in Josh Freeman.  He single-handedly beat Texas last year, and brings an up-and-coming Big 12 squad into Auburn as well.  Much like Okie State, Kansas State has the horses to actually beat these guys at home.  However, I would expect the Tigers to get enough pressure on Freeman, and disrupt the passing lanes (which is what they are REALLY good at), to make this a tough game for the Wildcats.  Look for Auburn to score on defense in some form or fashion to cover this one, as Josh Freeman will struggle mightiliy against a VERY good Auburn defense.


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I'm glad there is some positive press but it seems fairly obvious that his guy only saw one KSU game last season.  If he had the NFL network, he wouldn't be as high on the team

August 29, 2007, 03:37:10 PM
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Hey, maybe he caught the OSU, ISU, CU and UT games.

On the sacks from our returning DTs, to put it in perspective, our four returning OL have 33 starts among them.  Sometimes past experience doesn't always indicate future success.  I think I heard that on a Charles Schwab commercial.
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August 29, 2007, 03:40:54 PM
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On the sacks from our returning DTs, to put it in perspective, our four returning OL have 33 starts among them.  Sometimes past experience doesn't always indicate future success. 

Though the returning sack numbers support the DTs sucking I don't think sacks have anything to do with being an adequate DT.  I think plugging the middle and stopping the run does. 
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August 29, 2007, 03:41:19 PM
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Apparently this so called expert hasn't seen your offensive line.

Or DT  :crybaby:

led the conference in sacks. Me=lol at u

Steven Cline led the conference in sacks?   :confused:  I would hazard a guess that all of our DTs COMBINED have less then 5 sacks in their careers. 

They combined for either 20.5 or 17.0 last season.  (Did Manu play DT or DE last season?) I don't know where that put them in the conference though.

Echols-4
Cline-3
Seiler-3
Moran-4
Manu(?)-3.5
Balkcom-1
Faustin-1

So we have 5 sacks total among the returning DTs.  I stand by my comment:  "Or DT   :crybaby:"


Well, Abana certainly looks like an upgrade from Seiler, Cline and Moran are very similar in terms of ability, and the other down lineman will be Jackson.  I'd say that isn't a bad front three.  

August 29, 2007, 03:45:00 PM
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Well, Abana certainly looks like an upgrade from Seiler, Cline and Moran are very similar in terms of ability, and the other down lineman will be Jackson.  I'd say that isn't a bad front three.  

I thought he was a DE?  Agreed though, hopefully he can be a good DE.  I just don't have a lot of confidence in the Cline/Balkom rotation at DT.
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August 29, 2007, 03:52:15 PM
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On the sacks from our returning DTs, to put it in perspective, our four returning OL have 33 starts among them.  Sometimes past experience doesn't always indicate future success. 

Though the returning sack numbers support the DTs sucking I don't think sacks have anything to do with being an adequate DT.  I think plugging the middle and stopping the run does. 

Especially in a 3-4, you're not expecting huge sack numbers from your tackle.
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August 29, 2007, 04:00:05 PM
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On the sacks from our returning DTs, to put it in perspective, our four returning OL have 33 starts among them.  Sometimes past experience doesn't always indicate future success. 

Though the returning sack numbers support the DTs sucking I don't think sacks have anything to do with being an adequate DT.  I think plugging the middle and stopping the run does. 

Especially in a 3-4, you're not expecting huge sack numbers from your tackle.

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August 29, 2007, 04:26:14 PM
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Maxell, Nebraska/Creighton, Happy and Gay did not collaborate to write this bit...

Kansas State @ Auburn (Auburn - 13 1/2):  K-State beat Texas last year, and have one of the most talented QB's in the country in Josh Freeman.  He single-handedly beat Texas last year, and brings an up-and-coming Big 12 squad into Auburn as well. Much like Okie State, Kansas State has the horses to actually beat these guys at home. 

 :lol: He had a 2.5-1 INT to TD ratio last year.  :lol: My guess is KSU has a worse record this year than last year.



Josh Freeman will struggle mightiliy against a VERY good Auburn defense.

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August 29, 2007, 04:31:05 PM
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So we have 5 sacks total among the returning DTs.  I stand by my comment:  "Or DT   :crybaby:"

STOP BEING SO F-ING NEGATIVE.  :curse:


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You think the DTs are good?  I'm not going to lie and say we are in great shape at DT.  I am a glass is half empty kind of guy but that glass is bone dry.

August 29, 2007, 04:36:02 PM
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I actually think that ksu has a decent shot to win this but it isn't because freeman is one of the best in the nation, which he isn't.  how do you go from worst in the big 12 to one of the best in the nation in one year is beyond me and it isn't because the offesne is like okie states because it aint.  It's because KSU figures to have a pretty athletic group on defense and auburn isn't exactly known for putting up a ton of points.  I could see this coming down to a  17-14 kind of game, either way.

The problem is, where Auburn doesn't have that good of an offense they have that in spades on defense and it could be a long day for freeman.  either way, i see a low scoring, close game with AU coming out on top but KSU is in no way gonna be the little b*tch for Auburn that people hope, like ku fans

August 29, 2007, 04:43:43 PM
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Well, Abana certainly looks like an upgrade from Seiler, Cline and Moran are very similar in terms of ability, and the other down lineman will be Jackson.  I'd say that isn't a bad front three.  

I thought he was a DE?  Agreed though, hopefully he can be a good DE.  I just don't have a lot of confidence in the Cline/Balkom rotation at DT.

I guess he is listed as a DE, but I was just comparing last year's front 4 to this years front 3.  Cline/Balkom will be fine.  NTs really don't do much other than eat up blockers.  If they are able to hold their own, and not let the interior line get to the LBs too quickly, they have done their job.  Even the best NTs get few tackles per game, and very few sacks.

Vincent Wilfork-
And head coach Bill Belichick thinks so much of Wilfork that he calls him "the most complete guy that I have coached at that position." That's pretty lofty praise from the Unabomber.

Wilfork has had to make an adjustment from his University of Miami days, when he was a "penetrating, 4-3" d-lineman. In New England, it's all about gap control, which means Wilfork's job isn't to get to the quarterback, it's to take up space. Belichick calls him "an excellent two-gapper", which allows the linebackers behind him to get to the ball.



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YEAR TEAM G TOT SOLO AST PD SACK FF REC INT YDS TD
2004 NWE 16 42 29 13 3 2.0 0 0 0 0 0
2005 NWE 16 54 40 14 1 0.5 0 0 0 0 0
2006 NWE 13 51 41 10 1 1.0 0 0 0 0 0
Career 45 147 110 37 5 3.5 0 0 0 0

August 29, 2007, 05:29:43 PM
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I actually think that ksu has a decent shot to win this but it isn't because freeman is one of the best in the nation, which he isn't.  how do you go from worst in the big 12 to one of the best in the nation in one year is beyond me and it isn't because the offesne is like okie states because it aint.  It's because KSU figures to have a pretty athletic group on defense and auburn isn't exactly known for putting up a ton of points.  I could see this coming down to a  17-14 kind of game, either way.

The problem is, where Auburn doesn't have that good of an offense they have that in spades on defense and it could be a long day for freeman.  either way, i see a low scoring, close game with AU coming out on top but KSU is in no way gonna be the little b*tch for Auburn that people hope, like ku fans

If you think Freeman was the worst in the big 12 you are wrong.  He certainly isnt one of the best in the nation yet but despite the poor int-td ratio, I would take him over about half the big 12 as a true frosh.  He gives you the chance to, and did, beat Texas.  Nobody ku, ISU, CU, Baylor lines up a QB gives you that chance.  It didn't look like NU had anybody to give them that chance when they played USC, but they improved and actually attempted to win the game against UT.

August 29, 2007, 08:05:57 PM
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"If you think Freeman was the worst in the big 12 you are wrong."

actually, he was the 17th worse according to qb ratings, 12th worst starter, 17th worst overall.  You are as good as your numbers say you are.

August 29, 2007, 08:36:26 PM
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"If you think Freeman was the worst in the big 12 you are wrong."

actually, he was the 17th worse according to qb ratings, 12th worst starter, 17th worst overall.  You are as good as your numbers say you are.

I'd put him about as good as his record says he is, 4-4

August 29, 2007, 08:44:01 PM
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"I'd put him about as good as his record says he is, 4-4"

unfortunately that is the team record.  freemans personal record is his qb rating.  4-4 tells how the TEAM  did, qb rating tells how the qb did

August 29, 2007, 10:06:45 PM
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"I'd put him about as good as his record says he is, 4-4"

unfortunately that is the team record.  freemans personal record is his qb rating.  4-4 tells how the TEAM  did, qb rating tells how the qb did
I guarantee we lose all four games we won in conference play if Freeman wasn't the QB that was in. F*ck QB ratings. All I care about are W/L records and Freeman's wasn't too bad for a true freshman.

August 30, 2007, 12:39:44 AM
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"I'd put him about as good as his record says he is, 4-4"

unfortunately that is the team record.  freemans personal record is his qb rating.  4-4 tells how the TEAM  did, qb rating tells how the qb did
I guarantee we lose all four games we won in conference play if Freeman wasn't the QB that was in. F*ck QB ratings. All I care about are W/L records and Freeman's wasn't too bad for a true freshman.

I don't get it... if you say "F QB rating, F stats, and F spring/fall scrimmages"... then what do you have to base that he is a good QB? :confused:

August 30, 2007, 12:54:33 AM
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"I'd put him about as good as his record says he is, 4-4"

unfortunately that is the team record.  freemans personal record is his qb rating.  4-4 tells how the TEAM  did, qb rating tells how the qb did
I guarantee we lose all four games we won in conference play if Freeman wasn't the QB that was in. F*ck QB ratings. All I care about are W/L records and Freeman's wasn't too bad for a true freshman.

I don't get it... if you say "F QB rating, F stats, and F spring/fall scrimmages"... then what do you have to base that he is a good QB? :confused:

I dont think he is a great QB yet.  He has shown in the games he has won, especially UT, that he can be.  In those games his numbers were outstanding and he has looked as such.  His numbers end up on the bad end because he has been awful in the losses.  I think as a freshman you have to live with that and I think we have seen some of his potential.  He definitely can be bad too.  That said, I think playcalling has to improve also.  Too many times did we get behind by just a few and go out and attempt to throw the ball 3 straight times for a three and out.  The coaches have to lay off the panic button to keep the defenses honest and the numbers will improve.  Last season was still about the best I could hope for seeing as how we had a bunch of new play-callers, coaches, and quarterbacks.

August 30, 2007, 01:22:38 AM
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Keller knows the white lines on the field are just chalk, right? 

Most fields today either have 1) field turf, 2) that outdated astro turf sh*t, or 3) grass with the lines painted on them.  I haven't seen actual chalk on a football in a long time. Perhaps you played football back in the halcyon days of yesteryear when they had chalk lines and leather helmets, sans the facemasks?
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August 30, 2007, 07:52:59 AM
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Keller knows the white lines on the field are just chalk, right? 

Most fields today either have 1) field turf, 2) that outdated astro turf sh*t, or 3) grass with the lines painted on them.  I haven't seen actual chalk on a football in a long time. Perhaps you played football back in the halcyon days of yesteryear when they had chalk lines and leather helmets, sans the facemasks?

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