Football season tickets sold out for 07'.

[~WabashRoll~]

Must be.

Only logical reason as to why our AD has chosen not to run a single tv or radio ad promoting the upcoming K-State football season.

Of course in Kansas City, for all of us that have the good fortune to live here, this time of year we all get to experience the ku, MU, and now Chiefs onslaught of ticket sales propaganda for the next two months.

Great problem apparently we don't have. 

 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

ADTW is scary smart.

[michigancat]

I only see the ku billboard that features the KSU helmet prominently.  (It's f*cking everywhere)

Haven't noticed any MU stuff, but I don't watch much TV.

[kstate16]

I only see the ku billboard that features the KSU helmet prominently.  (It's f*cking everywhere)

Haven't noticed any MU stuff, but I don't watch much TV.

"This is what saturdays are made for!".  Billboards, radio, tv, it's everywhere. makes me wanna puke.

[stormnut]

Must be.

Only logical reason as to why our AD has chosen not to run a single tv or radio ad promoting the upcoming K-State football season.

Of course in Kansas City, for all of us that have the good fortune to live here, this time of year we all get to experience the ku, MU, and now Chiefs onslaught of ticket sales propaganda for the next two months.

Great problem apparently we don't have. 

 

No need, KSU sells itself. People that want tickets have them. We don't need to market our team as relevant like the flaw does.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well, using the infamous and always correct ChiTwnCat logic you must consider the following:

1.  Spending money on any campaign to increase season ticket sales is money down the drain.  Simply putting out a handful of generic annual "slogans" billboards and maybe a radio ad or two with the number to the ticket office on the bottom is enough.  No need for the AD to be out there really pushing people to bite the bullet and buy season tickets.   Tim Wesier isn't going to stoop to the level of a Jaime Pollard at ISU who communicates regularly with the ISU fanbase and is spearheading the charge of increasing their season ticket base.  Simply put KSU selling 36,37,38,000 season tickets is enough, why bother trying to push that past 40,000 a year??   It's just so much easier to hope KSU gets plenty of walkup sales.

2.  You will simply "dumb down" the profitability of your product if you say make those sections at the end of the upper deck family plan areas or price the tickets like the North Endzone.  It's simply better to have those 2-3-4,000 seats empty for most games than to lower the price a little.   It also serves to remind the team when they look up at those empty seats to play a little darn harder, so those seats will eventually be filled with adoring KSU fans.  It's Timmy's "negative motivation" ploy and it's strongly backed by PI's resident athletic department spokesperson and knower of all things ChiTwnCat.

[michigancat]

Well, using the infamous and always correct ChiTwnCat logic you must consider the following:

1.  Spending money on any campaign to increase season ticket sales is money down the drain.  Simply putting out a handful of generic annual "slogans" billboards and maybe a radio ad or two with the number to the ticket office on the bottom is enough.  No need for the AD to be out there really pushing people to bite the bullet and buy season tickets.   Tim Wesier isn't going to stoop to the level of a Jaime Pollard at ISU who communicates regularly with the ISU fanbase and is spearheading the charge of increasing their season ticket base.  Simply put KSU selling 36,37,38,000 season tickets is enough, why bother trying to push that past 40,000 a year??

2.  You will simply "dumb down" the profitability of your product if you say make those sections at the end of the upper deck family plan areas or price the tickets like the North Endzone.  It's simply better to have those 2-3-4,000 seats empty for most games than to lower the price a little.   It also serves to remind the team when they look up at those empty seats to play a little darn harder, so those seats will eventually be filled with adoring KSU fans.  It's Timmy's "negative motivation" ploy and it's strongly backed by PI's resident athletic department spokesperson and knower of all things ChiTwnCat.

We really nead ChiTwn to post here.

[sonofdaxjones]

I totally agree . . . we need a mouthpiece type on this board to set us all straight.

[catzacker]

With as thin as we run the athletic department combined with the prices that KSU fans will pay to see football and now basketball and the fact that we're in the home stretch of the "changing lives campaign", you'd think that we'd have a windfall of profit/capital that we could use for such things.  I mean, everyone knows what Coke and Pepsi is and what it tastes like, but they still advertise.  Actually, I wouldn't mind if we didn't spend a dime on advertising, just make BSFS and The Bram as fan friendly and nice as possible. 

[fb]

son,
I agree with you.  There needs to be more advertising.

storm,
Please tell me you aren't serious?  We didn't even sell out Snyder's last game.  Time to take your pride out of the equation and realize that KSU had a great reputation but it has slipped considerably.  We don't sell out.

People talk about all the free advertising that we will get from the Auburn game.  They only want to talk about the sugar coated love affair with KSU is god side of it.  Let's talk about the 'we get our ass kicked and no one will want to spend a nickel on a ticket afterwards' perspective for a second.  Do you see anyone going out to buy a season ticket if we get smoked 28-6 and the offense looks like crap at Auburn?

[michigancat]

People talk about all the free advertising that we will get from the Auburn game.  They only want to talk about the sugar coated love affair with KSU is god side of it.  Let's talk about the 'we get our ass kicked and no one will want to spend a nickel on a ticket afterwards' perspective for a second.  Do you see anyone going out to buy a season ticket if we get smoked 28-6 and the offense looks like crap at Auburn?

Playing on national TV in the OOC (every year) is more about name recognition than selling season tickets.  When ESPN runs their KSU/Auburn promos...they aren't just promoting a game, they're putting KSU's name in the minds of all ESPN viewers.

Not sure why I responded, since your "I miss Snyder" mini-rant really had nothing to do with this thread...but oh, well.

[fatty fat fat]

then ESPN runs their KSU/Auburn promos.

Still trying to get it....

[fb]

rusty,
You really are reaching.  I am all for playing better non conference teams when we are ready for it.  We are nowhere near ready for it.  Snyder finally made the move to play some better teams when he put USC and Cal on the schedule.  I like Prince for the most part and think we will get to where we want with him.  It isn't his fault Snyder left him with a pile or crap.

You are the one making comments that have nothing to do with this thread.

Point is KSU has been talking non stop about how great it will be if we win the Auburn game.  None of them want to seemingly address the issue of fan interest if the kids go down to Auburn and get whipped.

Would do you think is more likely to happen...KSU go beat Auburn which causes people to buy season tickets or KSU spend money on advertising which causes people to buy tickets?

[catzacker]

I don't think we're playing that game to sell tickets.  I think we're playing that game to get into the television sets of recruits. 

I think any fan that is going to buy season tickets based on the outcome of the Auburn game is mentally challenged and shouldn't be allowed to buy tickets anyways.

[michigancat]

rusty,
You really are reaching.  I am all for playing better non conference teams when we are ready for it.  We are nowhere near ready for it.

Well, we aren't ready for the Big XII, then.  Maybe we should take a sabbatical as an independent until we aren't pussies anymore?

Point is KSU has been talking non stop about how great it will be if we win the Auburn game.  None of them want to seemingly address the issue of fan interest if the kids go down to Auburn and get whipped.

Huh?  No one that says "beating Auburn would be great" has considered the possibility of Auburn kicking our ass?  Are you serious?

Would do you think is more likely to happen...KSU go beat Auburn which causes people to buy season tickets or KSU spend money on advertising which causes people to buy tickets?

Is the goal of the Auburn game to sell season tickets?  (catzacker already hit this)

[fb]

rusty,
Why would we not be ready for the Big 12?  Even when Snyder's teams were good enough to play great non conference teams, we didn't and still posted double digit win seasons.

The Auburn game is about getting KSU's name on ESPN and a chance for a huge momentum booster.  This thread was initially started about ticket sales so I gave my 2 cents on how the Auburn game could influence ticket sales.  Sorry if you can't follow that.

[threadkiller]

What's to advertise?  What's the target audience for advertising season tickets for Kansas State Football?  Is there a significant group of people out there in the greater K.C. area who are unaware that Kansas State plays football or offers season tickets?  Anyone who would be affected enough by a billboard or a comercial to buy season tix who wouldn't have otherwise?  Maybe someone who is going back and forth between buying ku/KSU/MU tix who could be swayed by that add?  I agree with the gripe over family plans or other promotions to fill out the upper deck, and maybe bring a little life to it.  However, if the AD is going status quo on ticket plans I sure don't see any need to advertise it.  Maybe it's just me, I find the idea of advertising for college sports programs pathetic in general.  

[michigancat]

rusty,
Why would we not be ready for the Big 12?  Even when Snyder's teams were good enough to play great non conference teams, we didn't and still posted double digit win seasons.

I'm saying that if we aren't ready for Auburn, we aren't ready for Texas, Nebraska, Oklahoma, etc.

The Auburn game is about getting KSU's name on ESPN and a chance for a huge momentum booster.  This thread was initially started about ticket sales so I gave my 2 cents on how the Auburn game could influence ticket sales.  Sorry if you can't follow that.

I know that's what you were trying to say...it's just basically irrelevant and comes off as an excuse to whine about the Auburn game.

[sonofdaxjones]

killer . . . you must have been seperated from ChiTwn at birth.

That's fine, if they don't want to sell more season tickets than they already sell.  It just seems strange that they prefer to have empty seats at games rather than do anything to try and fill them besides just hope the phone rings, or people show up and walkup and buy tickets.   At the very least, make several sections of the upper level that are almost always with tons of empty seats a slightly cheaper ticket.   I have seen nothing outside of shear speculation that tells me that KSU cannot sell 4 or 5,000 more season tickets and that it will cost copious amounts of money to do so.  I have seen nothing outside of shear speculation that making a couple of upper level sections cheaper will somehow be a negative on regular priced season ticket sales.

[SUPERKSUFAN]

In the Topeka area - they are advertising for football season tickets and the KSU vs. ku game (it has JF talking) on 107.7 (have to listen to it at work)

There are also Bring on the cats billboards with the players running out of the tunnel picture on them. (Figures is holding American Flag and Ian is holding KS flag)

[sonofdaxjones]

I guess I look at the Billboards that KSU has put up over the last few years, and while they're certainly well done, they aren't exactly calls to action.

[KSU4ME]

I know that's what you were trying to say...it's just basically irrelevant and comes off as an excuse to whine about the Auburn game.

Agreeing with Rusty makes me want to stop being an alcoholic and get on the smack.

 

[~WabashRoll~]

Killer-

Somebody needs to tell Coke, Pepsi, Nike, Addidas they’re throwing money out the window.  Most people know what a Coke tastes like and I’d be willing to bet most people know what type of tennis shoe they prefer.  It’s because solid advertising works and it’s about expanding market share and staying ahead of the competition.

Say what you want about advertising dollars for sports teams being a waste of money.

Obviously, ku is getting some return on their investment.  A 6-6 football team, with a losing Big XII record under the fat man has had almost a %25 season ticket increase since Sweet Lew took over and started marketing the football team.  That's borderline amazing in my opinion.

This notion that everybody that wants tickets at K-State already has them and that there’s no potential to grow the base is well, absurd in my opinion.  If the CEO of took Sprint took that attitude, I imagine it wouldn’t sit too well with the stockholders. Doing nothing isn’t an option in my opinion.  College sports are big business, almost as big of business as professional sports.  God, look at the onslaught from the Chiefs this year for their season ticket drive now that their not a 100% renewal for the first time in years.

When football is your economic engine that pulls the train, in my opinion you better be doing everything you can to capitalize on revenue.  Doing nothing at all, seems to be a pretty strange, unorthodox tactic.

[fatty fat fat]

Killer-

Somebody needs to tell Coke, Pepsi, Nike, Addidas they’re throwing money out the window.  Most people know what a Coke tastes like and I’d be willing to bet most people know what type of tennis shoe they prefer.  It’s because solid advertising works and it’s about expanding market share and staying ahead of the competition.

Say what you want about advertising dollars for sports teams being a waste of money.

Obviously, ku is getting some return on their investment.  A 6-6 football team, with a losing Big XII record under the fat man has had almost a %25 season ticket increase since Sweet Lew took over and started marketing the football team.  That's borderline amazing in my opinion.

This notion that everybody that wants tickets at K-State already has them and that there’s no potential to grow the base is well, absurd in my opinion.  If the CEO of took Sprint took that attitude, I imagine it wouldn’t sit too well with the stockholders. Doing nothing isn’t an option in my opinion.  College sports are big business, almost as big of business as professional sports.  God, look at the onslaught from the Chiefs this year for their season ticket drive now that their not a 100% renewal for the first time in years.

When football is your economic engine that pulls the train, in my opinion you better be doing everything you can to capitalize on revenue.  Doing nothing at all, seems to be a pretty strange, unorthodox tactic.

People like you were bitter during the DOD. I swear, you guys don't care about wins, just stupid crap like this.

[sonofdaxjones]

Ah, I think lots of people were concerned that KSU wasn't doing more to hook people into becoming season ticket holders during the DOD Fatty, and that thinking was correct on many levels.

[Pett]

Killer-

Somebody needs to tell Coke, Pepsi, Nike, Addidas they’re throwing money out the window.  Most people know what a Coke tastes like and I’d be willing to bet most people know what type of tennis shoe they prefer.  It’s because solid advertising works and it’s about expanding market share and staying ahead of the competition.

Say what you want about advertising dollars for sports teams being a waste of money.

Obviously, ku is getting some return on their investment.  A 6-6 football team, with a losing Big XII record under the fat man has had almost a %25 season ticket increase since Sweet Lew took over and started marketing the football team.  That's borderline amazing in my opinion.

This notion that everybody that wants tickets at K-State already has them and that there’s no potential to grow the base is well, absurd in my opinion.  If the CEO of took Sprint took that attitude, I imagine it wouldn’t sit too well with the stockholders. Doing nothing isn’t an option in my opinion.  College sports are big business, almost as big of business as professional sports.  God, look at the onslaught from the Chiefs this year for their season ticket drive now that their not a 100% renewal for the first time in years.

When football is your economic engine that pulls the train, in my opinion you better be doing everything you can to capitalize on revenue.  Doing nothing at all, seems to be a pretty strange, unorthodox tactic.

People like you were bitter during the DOD. I swear, you guys don't care about wins, just stupid crap like this.

qft. Now looking back you think why didn't I just enjoy this??

[sonofdaxjones]

Because that's the way most K-Staters and KSU administrators think.   Have one decent year across the board in athletics, 2003, play it for all its worth.   Have a nice little run in football . . . no need to sustain it, when things head south just pull out that VHS from the 1995 KSU-ku game.

[catzacker]

I'm just curious as to where the money goes.  We've turned a "profit" for a number of years now and that's either due to (a) creative accounting or (b) actual profit/capital reserve.  

Yet we really haven't done any major expansions or renovations (no, I don't consider the Vanier facelift or the louge boxes major), and at the same time we've increased ticket prices in football and astronomically increased basketball prices for this coming season.  

[The1BigWillie]

We have enough season ticket holders that advertising for them now isn't likely to generate enough revenue to justify the expense.  ku on the other hand has a LONG way to go to fill their stadium even at rawk bottom prices. 

If anyone thinks the AD hasn't thought of this and decided why and why not to market season tickets they are dicksmack asshats.   

[sonofdaxjones]

zacker . . . you're getting into ChiTwn cat theory that KSU has millions in unaccounted for/unreported expenses that somehow don't get put on KSU's EADA or NCAA Institutional Financial Reports.  

Just like I will predict that on the EADA report for FY 2007 . . . it will show Gross Revenue outstripping expenses for FY 2007 by $10 million.   (Of course I recognize that there isn't just $10 million dollars lying around after they audit the books).

1BigWillie . . . KSU adding another 5,000 season ticket holders would generate approx $1.6 million in ticket revenue per year.   You're telling me that the campaign to get those people would cost more than $1.6 million, and that it would take $1.6 million a year in advertising to retain them as season ticket holders, and that not one of them would contribute a dime to the Ahearn Fund, buy concessions, game programs and KSU gear??