Move Campbell/Childs back to DE?

[ksuno1stunner]

We'll be thin there.

Kirk or Guidry as starter

[Jayhoxx]

You move Campbell and I will personally donkey punch Prince for such a stupid move!!!!!!

[ksuno1stunner]

The rest of our front 7 is ridic though

Campbell, Childs, Patterson, Walker, Hall, Houlik

Abana, Stewart, ()

 

Plus we got two studs at corner, plus Chandler.  Looks like we'll need another safety.

[Jayhoxx]

USC better look out.  Auburn is toast.

[ksuno1stunner]

USC better look out.  Auburn is toast.

Thanks for validating our recruit!

 

You are thinking, "Damnit, he looks like a stud, I hope he doesn't qualify"

Tidal wave of LOL's right there!

[Jayhoxx]

No, I am thinking, "Damnit, Prince realizes he has to do it the same way Snyder did it."  Did this guy kill anyone?

[ksuno1stunner]

No, I am thinking, "Damnit, Prince realizes he has to do it the same way Snyder did it."  Did this guy kill anyone?

You know this happens a lot.  Who cares, you'd be all for it if James Johnson, Chris Patterson, or Olu Hall were interested in ku.

[Jayhoxx]

No chit!  If only . . .   

[KSU4ME]

Be prepared for a steady dose of Cline.

I so wish Manu or Balkcom had panned out.

[kstatefan11]

why do you say manu and balckonm have not panned out?

[KSU4ME]

why do you say manu and balckonm have not panned out?

My sarcasm detector is in the repair shop, so I'm proceeding under the assumption you're actually serious with that question.

Neither hit double digits in tackles.

Balkcom got half his tackles against FAU, and proceeded to amass 4 tackles in the other 11 games he played in.

Manu is quite similar, with his best game against FAU, but he did manage 6 tackles in the other 11 games he played in.

Of the two, Manu gives me the most hope, but at this point neither has panned out.

John McCardle, the midget fullback, had as many tackles as Balkcom, and only one less than Manu.  Now in the Pantheon of Lynch Mob Greatness, where exactly are you placing McCardle?  Because Manu and Balkcom belong in the same place.

[ksuno1stunner]

why do you say manu and balckonm have not panned out?

My sarcasm detector is in the repair shop, so I'm proceeding under the assumption you're actually serious with that question.

Neither hit double digits in tackles.

Balkcom got half his tackles against FAU, and proceeded to amass 4 tackles in the other 11 games he played in.

Manu is quite similar, with his best game against FAU, but he did manage 6 tackles in the other 11 games he played in.

Of the two, Manu gives me the most hope, but at this point neither has panned out.

John McCardle, the midget fullback, had as many tackles as Balkcom, and only one less than Manu.  Now in the Pantheon of Lynch Mob Greatness, where exactly are you placing McCardle?  Because Manu and Balkcom belong in the same place.

Manu had mono, so who knows what he could have done.

[KSU4ME]

Yeah, and he's only played US Football for a couple years.  Plenty of things can be thrown out to justify a McCardle-esque performance.

But what we know is that he had 9 tackles in 12 games last year, and apparently hasn't cracked the starting lineup of a pretty thin DL this year.

[Legore]

why do you say manu and balckonm have not panned out?

My sarcasm detector is in the repair shop, so I'm proceeding under the assumption you're actually serious with that question.

Neither hit double digits in tackles.

Balkcom got half his tackles against FAU, and proceeded to amass 4 tackles in the other 11 games he played in.

Manu is quite similar, with his best game against FAU, but he did manage 6 tackles in the other 11 games he played in.

Of the two, Manu gives me the most hope, but at this point neither has panned out.

John McCardle, the midget fullback, had as many tackles as Balkcom, and only one less than Manu.  Now in the Pantheon of Lynch Mob Greatness, where exactly are you placing McCardle?  Because Manu and Balkcom belong in the same place.

You guys kill me with this stuff.  Give people some time to develop by your standards guys like Ryan Lilja and Quincy Morgan (redshirted first year out of jc) would have been labled busts at KSU.   We knew Manu was raw when he signed you have to be patient we had two all big 12 caliber d-ends starting in front of him last season.  Word is he's had a really good fall camp give the guy a chance.   

This is college football you are not going to have returning starters with 50 tackles and 10 sacks coming back at every spot.  You graduate a good portion of your team every year and have to break in new guys that have limited experience it's part of the college game.  Balkcom probably will never start but he's vesitile and provides solid depth I'm not sure I ever expect anything more out of him when he signed.   You bring in 25 guys per  year do the math it's not possible that they all end up starting for you especially in their first season on the team.  I think our depth at DE is fine with Jackson, Manu, Abana, Balkcom, Faustin and Campbell who I think will play there in certain formations and situations.  Childs isn't going to play any DE in the 3-4. 

[KSU4ME]

Lilja was a top reserve his first year, and clear cut starter going into his second year.  Morgan was a 1,000 yard receiver the first year he was on the field.

Had either Manu or Balkcom taken a RS, I wouldn't have said a word about them.  But they didn't, they played, and they were utter non-factors.

Manu and Balkcom had two years when they committed, and one is in the books.  Neither has amassed 10 tackles, and neither has cracked the starting lineup of the DL.

Perhaps after this season they'll pan out? 

LOL @ comparing Manu/Balkcom to studs like Morgan and Lilja. 

Lets look at some other JC DL players and what they did in their first year.

Jermaine Berry - 82 tackles, 7 sacks
Rob Jackson - 36 tackles, 4.5 sacks
Mario Fatafehi - 48 tackles, 3.5 sacks
Kevin Huntley - 27 tackles, 6 sacks
Cliff Holloman - 37 tackles
T. George - 21 tackles, 3 sacks

Apples to apples, first year JC DL.  Now do Manu/Balkcom measure to the above, or are they closer to the Malcom Wooldridge and Andrew Bulman's of the world?

[michigancat]

Balkcom was a soph last season.

[KSU4ME]

Yeah, third year player last season would have been the right way to describe him.

[Legore]

Manu from everything I've heard is starting at DE this year.   No one is saying he'll be a star but I'm not sure how the bust label is being attached to a guy that was second string his entire first year and saw limited time behind two all conference players and then is slated to start as a senior.  Balkcom I think has done as much as any reasonable person would have expected him to do coming out of JC as a 2 star undersized DT that we found late in the process.     

[KSU4ME]

Manu from everything I've heard is starting at DE this year.   No one is saying he'll be a star but I'm not sure how the bust label is being attached to a guy that was second string his entire first year and saw limited time behind two all conference players and then is slated to start as a senior.  Balkcom I think has done as much as any reasonable person would have expected him to do coming out of JC as a 2 star undersized DT that we found late in the process.     

Manu was technically behind Campbell, but they gave the minutes to Childs, the Freshman 220 lb. DE that doubled Manu's 2006 numbers.

Balkcom was the fifth DT, and our DT corp was not salty.

[ksuno1stunner]

I agree with almost everything you've said, 4ME.

I'm sure you'll agree with me with this following list (mainly redshirt freshman and sophmores).

Players I am throwing under the bus:

Pooschke
Purvis
Wilson
Mayfield
Crews
Balkcom
Faustin
Diehl
McGee
Rosel
Herndon
Hollis (told ya)
Johnson

I almost put Carney on that list, but we'll see.

[KSU4ME]

Only Jrs and Srs should be on the list.

[ksuno1stunner]

Only Jrs and Srs should be on the list.

I'm positive none of them will make an impact.

[Legore]

I agree with almost everything you've said, 4ME.

I'm sure you'll agree with me with this following list (mainly redshirt freshman and sophmores).

Players I am throwing under the bus:

Pooschke
Purvis
Wilson
Mayfield
Crews
Balkcom
Faustin
Diehl
McGee
Rosel
Herndon
Hollis (told ya)
Johnson

I almost put Carney on that list, but we'll see.

Throw Cheatam on there to then he played less then Balkcom or Manu did last year.   Go ahead and throw Houlik, Roland etc on there too (neither played nearly as much as Balkcom or Manu in the base D last year) you could go on forever and ever if you want to throw everyone under the bus that doesn't contribute signifigantly their first year in the program.   As another example Greg Wafford came to KSU as a 3 to play 3 JC guy and appeared for one series in one game his first year in the program and then went on to be probably the best o-lineman on the team the next two seasons.  Sometimes it takes guys a little time to adjust and sometimes there are just more experienced guys in front of them.    

[KSU4ME]

Herndon actually earned a start.  Hard to believe.

Legore, don't be silly.  Roland matched Manu and Balkcom's combined tackles last year, and Houlik matched Balkcom...despite being a true freshman.  It was his first year out of HS and he matched a guy who was three years out of HS.  Go figure.

Help me out, was the 220 pound Freshman (Childs) the more experienced guy you're talking about? 

And please, can we compare apples to apples?  Comparing the transition on OL to DL is kinda funny.  My honest opinion is that recruiting JC OL is a crap shoot, but as I proved with a long list, good JC DLs can come in and have an immediate impact.

You're just throwing a fit.  At least come back with some facts. 

[Legore]

Herndon actually earned a start.  Hard to believe.

Legore, don't be silly.  Roland matched Manu and Balkcom's combined tackles last year, and Houlik matched Balkcom...despite being a true freshman.  It was his first year out of HS and he matched a guy who was three years out of HS.  Go figure.

Help me out, was the 220 pound Freshman (Childs) the more experienced guy you're talking about? 

And please, can we compare apples to apples?  Comparing the transition on OL to DL is kinda funny.  My honest opinion is that recruiting JC OL is a crap shoot, but as I proved with a long list, good JC DLs can come in and have an immediate impact.

You're just throwing a fit.  At least come back with some facts. 

No one said good JC DL can't come in and have a big impact.  Good players at every position can come in and have a big impact.  But there have also been plenty of JC guys come in and not do much their first year and then go on to have big second years.  Happens all the time and we're counting on guys like Roland, Cheatam and Manu to do it this year.  Roland made nearly all of his tackles on special teams rather then in the base D so it's not a fair comparison to Manu.  If you're talking snaps in the regular D roation Manu got way more then Roland and got as many Childs did as the season went on.  Also comparing a LB's tackes to a DL's as a measure of productivity is stupid to begin with.    

I'm not going to take the time to look up tackle stats of guys in their first year but guys like Corey White, Ray Eagle, Devane Robinson, Melvin Williams etc are d-lineman I can think of of the top of my head that didn't do a lot at first and ended up being solid players on solid teams at the end of their careers.  I think Manu has a chance to do something similar to what those guys did.    I just don't see how you can call a guy a bust when he is projected to start for us at DE.