Prince info while watching So. Carolina vs. Auburn..

[The Manhatter]

a true freshman started at LT for South Carolina, Hutch Eckerson.

Why am I saying this?

He was a recruit flying under the radar when offered first by Virginia's OL coach at the time.  He turned into a 4 star by the final rankings but that was only after an all-star game performance from the NC vs SC game or something. 

He was low ranked and lightly recruited until into the fall of his senior season.

Interesting.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=40672

On Coach Prince -- "I really like Coach Prince a lot. He feels that I am a great fit for what UVa is trying to do with their offensive line, and I respect him a great deal as a coach. I consider Coach Prince a friend. He talks more than just football with me. It is no wonder why his players love and respect him so much."

So Prince leave UVa...Eckerson winds up at So. Carolina and starts in year one under Spurrier.

But per Nubb...Prince has no idea what he's doing.

[Pett]

He turned into a 4 star by the final rankings.

Was he unranked when Prince started recruiting him?

[Maxell]

Well great. Here's a question for you though. I would assume for you to ultimately say Prince is successful he needs to win the Big 12 North and maybe the Big 12 within the next 2-3 years, correct? Well since its not going to happen this year, you have to point to 2008 (because it won't be 2009). If he doesn't win the North in 2008 will you start calling for his removal?

[The Manhatter]

He turned into a 4 star by the final rankings.

Was he unranked when Prince started recruiting him?

There was a July update for Eckerson which said "flying under the recruiting radar" so you be the judge.

I do know he was a 4 star late after that all-star game. 

[steve dave]

Well since its not going to happen this year, you have to point to 2008 (because it won't be 2009).

LOL at Corn fans assuming they will win things.  Rest of the world to Corn fans:  You lost the right to claim greatness when you became mediocre.  

[tmramrod91]

Well great. Here's a question for you though. I would assume for you to ultimately say Prince is successful he needs to win the Big 12 North and maybe the Big 12 within the next 2-3 years, correct? Well since its not going to happen this year, you have to point to 2008 (because it won't be 2009). If he doesn't win the North in 2008 will you start calling for his removal?

Yes

[Maxell]

2008 would probably be Prince's best chance to get something done but the schedule doesn't set up well at all. The window of opportunity for success though is closing quick because Hawkins and Chizik are going to at least put their teams on par with your own in a short amount of time. Missouri is in a holding pattern and Kansas is in the same boat. But in 2008 I see probable losses at home to Texas Tech; on the road at A&M; maybe on the road at Colorado; at home to Oklahoma; and probably on the road at both Missouri and Kansas.

In 2009, you guys will have a tough trip to Ames; a sure loss to Texas Tech in Lubbock; a tough game at home against A&M; tough home game against a CU program that should be rolling by then; and sure losses on the road to Oklahoma and Nebraska. And I don't think a best case scenario of 4-4 is going to win the North anytime soon.

So once again, the question is-what is your idea of success and how much time are you willing to give Prince to be successful?

[The Manhatter]

2008 would probably be Prince's best chance to get something done but the schedule doesn't set up well at all. The window of opportunity for success though is closing quick because Hawkins and Chizik are going to at least put their teams on par with your own in a short amount of time. Missouri is in a holding pattern and Kansas is in the same boat. But in 2008 I see probable losses at home to Texas Tech; on the road at A&M; maybe on the road at Colorado; at home to Oklahoma; and probably on the road at both Missouri and Kansas.

EVERYTHING a husker says these days is based on pure speculation whether it's about other teams or their own.

[Maxell]

Hawkins is a good coach whether you want to believe it or not. I don't think they'll be winning any national titles anytime soon but I think they've seen the lowest they'll go. And Chizik is a damn good coach. He's doing a little of what Snyder did by going heavy on the JUCO kids. They aren't going to win the North in the near future but they will put a competitive team on the field.

Nice of you to skip my question. Once again, what is success for Prince and how long will you give him to get it done?

[The Manhatter]

Hawkins is a good coach whether you want to believe it or not. I don't think they'll be winning any national titles anytime soon but I think they've seen the lowest they'll go. And Chizik is a damn good coach. He's doing a little of what Snyder did by going heavy on the JUCO kids. They aren't going to win the North in the near future but they will put a competitive team on the field.

Nice of you to skip my question. Once again, what is success for Prince and how long will you give him to get it done?

Why do you need for me to answer the question.  Do you need to see me on a message board asking for the firing or resignation of somebody?  What the hell is that? 

How about I don't give a flip of what you want to know?  I will watch and let it play out.  I'm behind the guy.

I mean..I know skers are the program, like Bama, where if a coach has a bump in the road they'll fire a guy who just went 10-3 or 9-3 or whatever Solich was in '03.

And LOL at your assumption about Hawkins...Koetter had success at Boise too.  Whether or not that will be the case w/ Hawkins who is to say?  Why don't you go to the CU board and ask them if they're going to demand he be fired by '08...or something?

just a reminder.. it's been 10 years since Nebraska won a conference title in football.

[steve dave]

just a reminder.. it's been 10 years since Nebraska won a conference title in football.

Jeezus, Nebraska University hasn't won a conference title for 10 years    I had no idea it had been that long.  They got a trophy last year didn't they?  I thought I remembered a trophy presentation ceremony in Lincoln or something like that   

[Maxell]

Way to take the chickencrap road Hatter. Do you mean to tell me you really don't have any timeline for Prince to be "successful"-whatever it is you define as successful? Prince is a victim of the Snyder legacy if you ask me. Snyder was a once in a lifetime coach who happened to be in the business at exactly the perfect time in college football history. He raided the Kansas jucos for elite talent and had no competition in doing so. Prince can't do the same thing. He's got Chizik, Callahan, Mangino and even Hawkins taking JUCO players that just 10 years ago would have all gone to Kansas State. Snyder found the height of his success as Nebraska went through the transition from Osborne to Solich or else you'd never have a Big 12 championship. Truth is, I don't see Kansas State winning any type of championship under Prince. Its both a blessing and a curse that Snyder had so much success with your program. He's driven expectations right through the unrealistic category-just like Osborne did when we won three national titles in the mid 90s. I predict Prince is gone within 3 years.

[kstate16]

Way to take the chickencrap road Hatter. Do you mean to tell me you really don't have any timeline for Prince to be "successful"-whatever it is you define as successful? Prince is a victim of the Snyder legacy if you ask me. Snyder was a once in a lifetime coach who happened to be in the business at exactly the perfect time in college football history. He raided the Kansas jucos for elite talent and had no competition in doing so. Prince can't do the same thing. He's got Chizik, Callahan, Mangino and even Hawkins taking JUCO players that just 10 years ago would have all gone to Kansas State. Snyder found the height of his success as Nebraska went through the transition from Osborne to Solich or else you'd never have a Big 12 championship. Truth is, I don't see Kansas State winning any type of championship under Prince. Its both a blessing and a curse that Snyder had so much success with your program. He's driven expectations right through the unrealistic category-just like Osborne did when we won three national titles in the mid 90s. I predict Prince is gone within 3 years.

You are dumb. Look at last year's JUCO Top 100...and you'll see we have 6 recruits in that ranking. The Nubbs also have 6, but the rest of the north... ku? 3 CU? 2 ISU? 3.  So to say our "raiding of the jucos" is over....well you are very wrong. Nice try though.

[The Nasti]

Gene Chizik may make ISU competitive, but let's be honest, the man made a mistake taking that job. He could have at least got interviews at most other coaching vacancies. Ames is a tough place to recruit to, especially with the crappy stadium. They have improved their facilities, but from what I can tell they are still behind compared to other Big XII programs. They have a hard enough time keeping talent in-state with Ferentz running a solid program in Iowa City. Plus, have you ever been to Ames? Yuck...

While I like Hawkins as a guy (seems to have an unconventional approach to the game and life), I am not sure whether he is going to turn things around in Boulder. The offense that made him so successful was not his. Chris Petersen, the current coach, is the architect. So, to say Hawk will have it turned around by '09 is a bit presumptuous in my opinion.

If Prince gets us in the Big XII title game by '09 I am happy....

[steve dave]

Do you mean to tell me you really don't have any timeline for Prince to be "successful"-whatever it is you define as successful?

What is your timeline for Callahan and what is your definition of "successful"?  He has had three years and has yet to win the Big 12.  He ended his third year unranked while the team he took over ended (probably) ranked (I have no idea what they were ranked as I am lazy).  Prince took over a losing team that had not gone to a bowl for two years and won 7 games beating a top 10 team along the way.  Now, tell me which of these two coaches has been "successful" according to you?  I know which way you will go and you are wrong.

[The Manhatter]

Way to take the chickencrap road Hatter. Do you mean to tell me you really don't have any timeline for Prince to be "successful"-whatever it is you define as successful? Prince is a victim of the Snyder legacy if you ask me. Snyder was a once in a lifetime coach who happened to be in the business at exactly the perfect time in college football history. He raided the Kansas jucos for elite talent and had no competition in doing so. Prince can't do the same thing. He's got Chizik, Callahan, Mangino and even Hawkins taking JUCO players that just 10 years ago would have all gone to Kansas State. Snyder found the height of his success as Nebraska went through the transition from Osborne to Solich or else you'd never have a Big 12 championship. Truth is, I don't see Kansas State winning any type of championship under Prince. Its both a blessing and a curse that Snyder had so much success with your program. He's driven expectations right through the unrealistic category-just like Osborne did when we won three national titles in the mid 90s. I predict Prince is gone within 3 years.

blah blah blah.  If I don't answer your questions(and who are you?) then it's "chicken crap" or whatever.  Ummm..okay.  And thanks for yet more speculation.

always a good time when huskers drop by.

[steve dave]

always a good time when huskers drop by.

QFT and I actually like the Husker smack lately.  They are coming with it pretty educated and provide some good debate. 

[Maxell]

Do you mean to tell me you really don't have any timeline for Prince to be "successful"-whatever it is you define as successful?

What is your timeline for Callahan and what is your definition of "successful"?  He has had three years and has yet to win the Big 12.  He ended his third year unranked while the team he took over ended ranked (I have no idea what they were ranked as I am lazy).  Prince took over a losing team that had not gone to a bowl for two years and won 7 games beating a top 10 team along the way.  Now, tell me which of these two coaches has been "successful" according to you?  I know which way you will go and you are wrong.

Callahan's team has gotten progressively better each year, even though the record doesn't indicate it. The schedule last year was absolutely brutal and we were competitive against the USC's, Auburn's, Oklahoma's, Texas' and USCs. Callahan went 5-0 against the North last year and is 8-2 over the past two years. Getting back to the Big 12 title game was a big step. This is now the year that we should expect to win the thing and get to the BCS. Texas will be "rebuilding" a bit and Oklahoma's QB situation is a mess so its ours to take. I will be mildly disappointed if Nebraska doesn't win the Big 12 this year and end up in a BCS. However, with the way recruiting is going right now, the man is poised to dominate this division and put Nebraska in the Big 12 title game for the rest of his tenure here. No other team in the North is bringing in the type of player you need to win on the road in this conference and if you can't win on the road, you're not going to win the division.

Once again, you answer a question with a question of your own. Just be honest about a timeline and your expectations for Prince? If you expect him to win a North championship, what year do you expect him to win it?

[The Manhatter]

Callahan's team has gotten progressively better each year, even though the record doesn't indicate it. The schedule last year was absolutely brutal and we were competitive against the USC's, Auburn's, Oklahoma's, Texas' and USCs. Callahan went 5-0 against the North last year and is 8-2 over the past two years. Getting back to the Big 12 title game was a big step. This is now the year that we should expect to win the thing and get to the BCS. Texas will be "rebuilding" a bit and Oklahoma's QB situation is a mess so its ours to take. I will be mildly disappointed if Nebraska doesn't win the Big 12 this year and end up in a BCS. However, with the way recruiting is going right now, the man is poised to dominate this division and put Nebraska in the Big 12 title game for the rest of his tenure here. No other team in the North is bringing in the type of player you need to win on the road in this conference and if you can't win on the road, you're not going to win the division.

Once again, you answer a question with a question of your own. Just be honest about a timeline and your expectations for Prince? If you expect him to win a North championship, what year do you expect him to win it?

I read that first line which I put in bold type.  I LOL'd and realized the rest wasn't worth reading.  NU fans used to believe in winning...now if the "record really doesn't show" progress they are pleased because they know Callahan will get some 4 stars...or something(and most will turn out to be busts).

Good stuff...demanding fans give timelines.  thanks Maxell...I need a cigarette.

[Maxell]

The facts are the facts. We're dominating this division now poised to do so for a very long time. And when you do that, you put yourself in a one game playoff to go to a BCS game. Roger Craig knows a little about this offense and the amount of time it takes to really make things work. Three years ago he said it would take 3 years for us to start to see things come together. And this year he says we are going to be outstanding. I believe him. Its a sick amount of talent.

BTW, you did see that LaTravis Washington qualified. You're going to like him. He's going to be a LB because he's about 230 right now. He is probably the 2nd best recruit in last year's class behind Jaivorio Burkes.

[steve dave]

Once again, you answer a question with a question of your own. Just be honest about a timeline and your expectations for Prince? If you expect him to win a North championship, what year do you expect him to win it?

If we go to a bowl almost every year and compete for the North spot most years (not championship because there is no such thing as a North Championship) I will be happy.  No Nebraska fan (and I mean 100% of them) would say that being the best team int he North and losing one Big 12 Championship game in thre years was successful when Frank was fired.  Don't lie and say that is what you would have said it was when Callahan was hired as the 4th to 5th choice of your team because you and I know that is false.

[The Manhatter]

The facts are the facts. We're dominating this division now

What facts?  You just won your first North title in 10 years and two of the nemisis for NU had first year head coaches. 

WTF is this idiot talking about?  "domination"?  1 in 10 years = domination?

Umm..lol at bringing up more kids who have never seen a college field.  thanks again.

[steve dave]

"domination"?  1 in 10 years = domination?

If you would have told even a Frank Solich era Corn fan that "domination" would mean what it means to them now they would have each put a bullett in their heads.  We have fallen off but we don't pretend we have not.

[catzacker]

Callahan's team has gotten progressively better each year, even though the record doesn't indicate it. The schedule last year was absolutely brutal and we were competitive against the USC's, Auburn's, Oklahoma's, Texas' and USCs. Callahan went 5-0 against the North last year and is 8-2 over the past two years. Getting back to the Big 12 title game was a big step. This is now the year that we should expect to win the thing and get to the BCS. Texas will be "rebuilding" a bit and Oklahoma's QB situation is a mess so its ours to take. I will be mildly disappointed if Nebraska doesn't win the Big 12 this year and end up in a BCS. However, with the way recruiting is going right now, the man is poised to dominate this division and put Nebraska in the Big 12 title game for the rest of his tenure here. No other team in the North is bringing in the type of player you need to win on the road in this conference and if you can't win on the road, you're not going to win the division.

Competitive against USC (28-10) and OU (21-7)?  How about "we didn't get blown out" against USC and OU and f'd up horribly against UT and Auburn? 

[ksuno1stunner]

Maxwell-

Can you watch this guy's highlights?  Was wondering what you think of him.  Would like an expert opinion.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=69028

[Maxell]

He's alright. I don't know what level of competition that is in Colorado but he seems to be able to get by, by being bigger and stronger than the guy he's lined up across. That obviously won't be the case in the Big 12 conference. Also very little (if any) pass protection. I don't see the next coming of Anthony Munoz but he looks like a kid that could start for your team by the time he's a junior. If he's good enough to see the field early and plays the LT spot, he will battle Jared Crick of Nebraska-the next Adam Carriker.

[ksuno1stunner]

He's alright. I don't know what level of competition that is in Colorado/Nebraska but he seems to be able to get by, by being bigger and stronger than the guy he's lined up across. That obviously won't be the case in the Big 12 conference. Also very little (if any) pass protection. I don't see the next coming of Anthony Munoz but he looks like a kid that could start for your team by the time he's a junior. If he's good enough to see the field early and plays the LT spot, he will battle Jared Crick of Nebraska-the next Adam Carriker.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=58479
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=35997
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46120

[steve dave]

He's alright. I don't know what level of competition that is in Colorado/Nebraska but he seems to be able to get by, by being bigger and stronger than the guy he's lined up across. That obviously won't be the case in the Big 12 conference. Also very little (if any) pass protection. I don't see the next coming of Anthony Munoz but he looks like a kid that could start for your team by the time he's a junior. If he's good enough to see the field early and plays the LT spot, he will battle Jared Crick of Nebraska-the next Adam Carriker.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=58479
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=35997
http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=46120

LOL.  Kind of painted yourself into a corner on that one Maxell.

[Maxell]

Not sure what you're trying to imply but this kid you had film on doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Bryce Givens, Baker Steinkuhler or Trevor Robinson. If he did, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas and Florida would have offered him.

[bigdeal]

2008 would probably be Prince's best chance to get something done but the schedule doesn't set up well at all. The window of opportunity for success though is closing quick because Hawkins and Chizik are going to at least put their teams on par with your own in a short amount of time. WRONG Missouri is in a holding pattern and Kansas is in the same boat RIGHT. But in 2008 I see probable losses at home to Texas Tech WRONG; on the road at A&M MAYBE; maybe on the road at Colorado WRONG; at home to Oklahoma MAYBE; and probably on the road at both Missouri WRONG and Kansas WRONG.

In 2009, you guys will have a tough trip to Ames WRONG; a sure loss to Texas Tech in Lubbock MAYBE; a tough game at home against A&M WRONG; tough home game against a CU program WRONG that should be rolling by then; and sure losses on the road to Oklahoma MAYBE and Nebraska WRONG. And I don't think a best case scenario of 4-4 is going to win the North anytime soon.

So once again, the question is-what is your idea of success and how much time are you willing to give Prince to be successful?

Do you mean to tell me you really don't have any timeline for Prince to be "successful"-whatever it is you define as successful?

Callahan's team has gotten progressively better each year, even though the record doesn't indicate it.

Same thing said by ku fans for the last six yrs or so. 

The facts are the facts. We're dominating this division now poised to do so for a very long time.

So, you won the north division in one of the very lowest years and you are dominating the division?  You aren't even the favorite to win the the north division this year. 

In the immortal words of Norm from Cheers, "What color is the sky in your world, Cliffie?"